What Difference Does A 6 Make.......

[corsaking]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between these two compounds

One is classed as an AI the other a designer steroid.

Are they both the same compound but one is "tweaked"to be anabolic
SNS INHIBIT E

1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione

I FORCE 1. 4 AD BOLD 200

1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione

Thanks

 

[jjohn]

I ain't a chemist, but these aren't even the same category of products...

 

[UnrealMachine]

looking at the structures, the 6 just indicates another double bond.

 

[corsaking]

Thanks i realise the end is different but did it start off as the same chemical ie the raw material , and was it tweaked in the lab to act differently?

 

[gelin]

I don't know the synthesis so I can't resolve your curiosity. Nothing at all strikes me as surprising though about the fact that there are two similar compounds with different physiological roles.

Suffice it to say though that ATD is nothing new, and that with that extra double bond, it irreversibly binds to the aromatase enzyme. In that sense ATD's activity is similar to that of formestane (which incidentally is highly, highly similar in structure to androstenedione... making it doubly analogous to your look at Bold-200 and ATD).
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[Titanium]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between these two compounds

One is classed as an AI the other a designer steroid.

Are they both the same compound but one is "tweaked"to be anabolic
SNS INHIBIT E

1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione

I FORCE 1. 4 AD BOLD 200

1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione

Thanks

There is much more than a difference of a '6'. The structures are different as well. Notice in bold one is a 'triene' and the other is a 'diene'. You are trying to make a judgment on nomenclature which can be tricky and misleading.

 

[UnrealMachine]

There is much more than a difference of a '6'. The structures are different as well. Notice in bold one is a 'triene' and the other is a 'diene'. You are trying to make a judgment on nomenclature which can be tricky and misleading.

It's the same thing really, the 6 indicates a double bond between the 6th and 7th carbons.

The 'triene' means that there's 3 double bonds (carbons 1=2, 4=5, and 6=7).

diene = 2 double bonds (1=2, 4=5)

The structures are IDENTICAL other than the 6=7 double bond. As gelin said "extra double bond, it irreversibly binds to the aromatase enzyme"

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[corsaking]

thanks guys, so lets suggest i took the I force Bold 200 -would it have any influence on reducing estrogen despite it being a Designer steroid and conversly does inhibit e or any other ATD besides being a suicide inhibitor -is that for life even after you come off the supp-have an effect on increasing testosterone .Or by diminishing estrogen has it simply increased the ratio between natural /synthetic test and estrogen.

Also would you recommend atd whilest on cycle or are there alternatives.

thanks

 

[mooch2321]

It's the same thing really, the 6 indicates a double bond between the 6th and 7th carbons.

The 'triene' means that there's 3 double bonds (carbons 1=2, 4=5, and 6=7).

diene = 2 double bonds (1=2, 4=5)

The structures are IDENTICAL other than the 6=7 double bond. As gelin said "extra double bond, it irreversibly binds to the aromatase enzyme"

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[UnrealMachine]

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[gelin]

thanks guys, so lets suggest i took the I force Bold 200 -would it have any influence on reducing estrogen despite it being a Designer steroid and conversly does inhibit e or any other ATD besides being a suicide inhibitor -is that for life even after you come off the supp-have an effect on increasing testosterone .Or by diminishing estrogen has it simply increased the ratio between natural /synthetic test and estrogen.

Also would you recommend atd whilest on cycle or are there alternatives.

thanks

corsaking -

As explained previously, the two compounds have different binding characteristics in spite of their relatively similar molecular structures. For example, Bold (the steroid itself, let's ignore its more poorly characterized bastard son, Bold 200) while relatively mild, still elevates E a little.

ATD is a "suicide inhibitor" of aromatase, but that doesn't mean that it's a one shot deal and after that you're going to be estrogen-free...all man. The enzymes in our bodies are typically degraded over time and replaced. In other words, new aromatase is definitely still produced... (And no, I can't tell you whether there is a feedback loop that accelerates the production of new aromatase in this situation, though it wouldn't surprise me if there was one.)

Finally, yes, there are always alternatives with ancillaries. It all starts with the compound that you're planning on running, though.