Trauma1 and Poopypants team up for a PP/1-T and Epi/1-T log!

poopypants said:
lol ya my skill surmounted to letting her know no problem with the mat while continuing straight through the set I was in then once I was finished and picked up told her to have a good night in the middle of her set as I walked past which made her jerk her head sideways and try to grunt out a good bye as she was curling....

guess I gotta break out the looking glass and try to see if there is a second band on there or not.

Not to mention I know a couple girls who will sport fake rings to places like the gym just so that they DONT have guys hittin on them.... but Im not the instigator her, soooooooo.....
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Very true spence. My wife used to do that as well.

There certainly is no harm in talking. Often vital info is disclosed through basic conversation, and overall body language. If it is indeed just an engagement ring, there is no real commitment imo until that person says, "I do."

In other words, just be yourself, and everything will work out as it should my brother. :)
 
Irish Cannon said:
I've known chicks that do this as well. That's SO ridiculus. Freakin' get over yourself, you know? Sheesh. It's like saying, "I'm very attractive. I know it. You know it. You WILL hit on me if I don't do something to stop you." There is something so seriously wrong with those women. They deserve a slap of reality.
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I see your point, but i don't think it's necessarily wrong in all circumstances either. Women that think their "sh*t doesn't stink" that do it is a whole different story.
 
Trauma1 said:
There certainly is no harm in talking. Often vital info is disclosed through basic conversation, and overall body language. If it is indeed just an engagement ring, there is no real commitment imo until that person says, "I do."
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Do you have any idea how many arguments I've gotten into with guys on this subject?

"Try hitting on my girl and see what happens!"

"First of all, you're not married so she's not YOUR girl. Secondly, I probably already have."

I totally agree with you. Until that promise has been made, they're single. I've broken up an engagement before. So what? Obviously she didn't want to marry the guy enough to go through with it. I saved them both a divorce.

I'm very strict with it. I won't even CONSIDER hitting on a married chick. I don't care if she doesn't like her husband, or if he's a douche, or whatever the issue is...she's married.
 
That being said. I find one of the more confusing thing about women is what each finds apealing in a man, what turns them on, or thier pet peevs! I will never understand it. Men are alot easier.
 
poopypants said:
Even then Easy the doses and duration in which they are used for PCT are QUITE conservative.

Most people need to realize the bad press on SERMS come from medical studies done on them regarding breast cancer, where typically the doses are even higher and used for MONTHS on end. And even then the effects of this dosing doesnt make a negative impact for months either. The 4 little weeks and ramping down type dosing we use is NOTHING compared to the clinical use of these compounds.
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Actually for male fertility, 10mg + 20mg are what they use, so 40 is still overkill
The rationale for administering antiestrogens such as tamoxifen or clomiphene is to indirectly stimulate the secretion of follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone (LH) by blocking estrogen and testosterone receptors in the hypothalamus, which results in increased release of GnRH. A direct effect of tamoxifen in spermatogenesis by interfering wih testicular estrogen receptors has also been discussed[30]. The recommended dosage of tamoxifen is 20 mg daily for 6-9 months. While some authors have questioned this kind of treatment[31], others have achieved good results after tamoxifen therapy, especially in combination with testosterone undecanoate, at doses of 40 mg tid[32]. Tamoxifen should not be applied in the presence of inflammatory symptoms. It has been suggested that determination of serum inhibin B would serve as a better selection criterion than estimation of FSH levels[33].
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although it is run longer term.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Do you have any idea how many arguments I've gotten into with guys on this subject?

"Try hitting on my girl and see what happens!"

"First of all, you're not married so she's not YOUR girl. Secondly, I probably already have."

I totally agree with you. Until that promise has been made, they're single. I've broken up an engagement before. So what? Obviously she didn't want to marry the guy enough to go through with it. I saved them both a divorce.

I'm very strict with it. I won't even CONSIDER hitting on a married chick. I don't care if she doesn't like her husband, or if he's a douche, or whatever the issue is...she's married.
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Yup, i'm in total agreement. That was advice i received from my dad which now seems long ago, lol. It also applies if your in an engagement and you don't want to do it. Once you say "I do", it's a whole different ball game in the eyes of the law. You're a free man (so to speak) up until that point.

I also agree, hitting on a married woman is a whole different story. Guys that partake in that are complete and total douche bags that deserves whatever comes their way as a result. Lets just say working 8 years in emergency medicine, i've first hand witnessed the results of the wrath.
 
EasyEJL said:
Actually for male fertility, 10mg + 20mg are what they use, so 40 is still overkill
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Depending on the cycle that is run, i don't think starting out at 40mg is overkill in all circumstances.

Poopy is right though, the studies conducted with tamoxifen for the purpose of breast cancer treatment have a whole different agenda at hand, as well as overall clinical situations/application/protocols that are utilized.

There are so many trivial clinical case studies that are posted that have no bearing what-so-ever on a SERMS application/use by a bodybuilder.

I do agree that at times people are a bit insane with the dosing of them E, but it all depends on the situation at hand imo.
 
Trauma1 said:
Depending on the cycle that is run, i don't think starting out at 40mg is overkill in all circumstances.

Poopy is right though, the studies conducted with tamoxifen for the purpose of breast cancer treatment have a whole different agenda at hand, as well as overall clinical situations/application/protocols that are utilized.

There are so many trivial clinical case studies that are posted that have no bearing what-so-ever on a SERMS application/use by a bodybuilder.

I do agree that at times people are a bit insane with the dosing of them E, but it all depends on the situation at hand imo.
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yeah, i guess that for me I look at the scenario as doubling the dose for a week won't significantly impact LH levels, but it can cause significantly higher toxicity. So using it at low levels to avoid estrogen binding makes sense, but if clinically they look at 6-9 months for it to raise LH, i'm definitely not counting on it to have significant effect there in a month regardless of dosage.
 
Log Update, Day 14/15, Off/Shoulders and Tris

Alright.... damn... havnt posted an update for 3 days and its already been 4 or 5 more pages!

NICE

Well day 13 was the start of dosing at 50mg of Epi :twisted: was plannin on going another week first BUT decided on doing it now so I had a steady dose before starting 1-T, didnt want to mix the effects of boosting 10mg and starting a new compound at the same time, would make it harder to distinguish the origin of the effects I was getting.

Dosing of DHEA remains the same at 50mg x2 ed... might even lower it in anticipation of the 1-T to make sure I can have more unused enzymes built up and ready to convert the hell outta that 1-T :think:


Day 14 was shoulders, I used to dread shoulders cause I couldnt move much weight at all and it seemed more tedious then fun.... well thats changing considerably and Im looking forward to hitting them now every week, getting stronger and stronger and def noticing a change in the development of my delts.

Strength was actually REALLY good for these lifts but since I got in there late I only had a chance to hit one tri lift (not so bad since I hit them twice a week anyways) and couldnt do the typical Delt Superset I like to do of cable raises(btw these create a MAJOR pump and by the last set my delts are just burning), will have to make sure to leave myself more time for this day since I kinda load up on lifts for shoulders and tris now.

heres how the lifts went.

LIFTS:
This week
Last week
PR

Warm up
DB lateral raise(l/r)- 20/20x10, 20/20x10

HS iso shoulder press(l/r)-70/70x10, 90/90x10, 110/110x9
______________________90/90x10, 90/90x8(Wide), 90/90x7 (narrow)
Smith shoulder press- 135x10, 115x10, 115x12
___________________ 95x10, 115x10, 135x10
Arnold DB Press(l/r)- 60/30x10, 40/40x10, 50/50x8
_________________ 25/25x10, 30/30x10, 40/40x10
Vbar cable press down-95x10, 125x10, 150x10*
___________________ 50x10, 75x10, 125x10
Standing military press- 45x10, 65x10, 85x10 this week only

*had to pin a 25lb plate to the stack :twisted:

Again workout was cut short or I woulda had 2 or 3 more tri exercises and a delt superset but this workout was still plenty good and strong and as you can see full of PR's so I was still very pleased with the results.

Cant wait to see what kinda numbers I burn through once the 1-T is added in the mix!

Pre, intra and post workout supplementation remains the same with the pslin, poseidon, BA, creatine, taurine and L-Leucine with the exception of some added BCAA's (5g) intra as well.... def dont taste too good though so I cant wait till this damn Xtend arrives.... last time I purchase from an Ebay store.

Also looking at getting some of the new BC+EAA from LG as it sounds great and has a mixture of both BCAA's and EAA's, the more the better :D.

am about to type up last nights review now as well for day 15....
 
EasyEJL said:
yeah, i guess that for me I look at the scenario as doubling the dose for a week won't significantly impact LH levels, but it can cause significantly higher toxicity. So using it at low levels to avoid estrogen binding makes sense, but if clinically they look at 6-9 months for it to raise LH, i'm definitely not counting on it to have significant effect there in a month regardless of dosage.
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E,

Those guys are guys with natural fertility and production problems period, not self induced suppression that can be rebounded from if NOTHING is taken (although will take alot longer)... bottom line is most guys bodies are headed in that direction (back to production) anyways, as soon as exogenous supplementation of androgens is ceased. The SERM just speeds this process along. I can assure you its a completely different case with men whos bodies cant do this and are naturally headed in the opposite direction thus the need for such long term dosing to see effects.

I have used more conservative dosing schemes (20mg throughout) and more aggressive ones (60.40.40.20) and I can tell you there IS a significant difference in the "feeling" of how fast I can recover... thats just with tamoxifen, toremifene is a whole nother animal and seems to me works 2x's as fast without feeling crappy.

I have run 6 weeks of Epistane (60mg) and Dbol (30mg) then followed it with a dosing of Toremifene at 120/90/60/30 and got blood drawn 2 weeks past PCT and my liver values were in normal range(Invalid Link Removed) so although I dont know the complete damage it was doing WHILE on it its very obvious that the damage wasnt even close to critical or long term as I re-established values very easily.

I think the SERM usage as its done traditionally is quite safe and the sides are overrated compared to the orals we are running in the first place. I rather like keeping my gains and a week of higher dosing is worth it to me if I think it can even help a lil bit, at the very least with the super long half life of these SERMs it at leasts speeds it along to a constant serum level(think loading phase) where as it would take a week or so to establish the same serum level with the compound effect of multiple dosing within the halflife of the SERM at a lower dose.
 
poopypants said:
Alright.... damn... havnt posted an update for 3 days and its already been 4 or 5 more pages!

NICE

Well day 13 was the start of dosing at 50mg of Epi :twisted: was plannin on going another week first BUT decided on doing it now so I had a steady dose before starting 1-T, didnt want to mix the effects of boosting 10mg and starting a new compound at the same time, would make it harder to distinguish the origin of the effects I was getting.

Dosing of DHEA remains the same at 50mg x2 ed... might even lower it in anticipation of the 1-T to make sure I can have more unused enzymes built up and ready to convert the hell outta that 1-T :think:


Day 14 was shoulders, I used to dread shoulders cause I couldnt move much weight at all and it seemed more tedious then fun.... well thats changing considerably and Im looking forward to hitting them now every week, getting stronger and stronger and def noticing a change in the development of my delts.

Strength was actually REALLY good for these lifts but since I got in there late I only had a chance to hit one tri lift (not so bad since I hit them twice a week anyways) and couldnt do the typical Delt Superset I like to do of cable raises(btw these create a MAJOR pump and by the last set my delts are just burning), will have to make sure to leave myself more time for this day since I kinda load up on lifts for shoulders and tris now.

heres how the lifts went.

LIFTS:
This week
Last week
PR

Warm up
DB lateral raise(l/r)- 20/20x10, 20/20x10

HS iso shoulder press(l/r)-70/70x10, 90/90x10, 110/110x9
______________________90/90x10, 90/90x8(Wide), 90/90x7 (narrow)
Smith shoulder press- 135x10, 115x10, 115x12
___________________ 95x10, 115x10, 135x10
Arnold DB Press(l/r)- 60/30x10, 40/40x10, 50/50x8
_________________ 25/25x10, 30/30x10, 40/40x10
Vbar cable press down-95x10, 125x10, 150x10*
___________________ 50x10, 75x10, 125x10
Standing military press- 45x10, 65x10, 85x10 this week only

*had to pin a 25lb plate to the stack :twisted:

Again workout was cut short or I woulda had 2 or 3 more tri exercises and a delt superset but this workout was still plenty good and strong and as you can see full of PR's so I was still very pleased with the results.

Cant wait to see what kinda numbers I burn through once the 1-T is added in the mix!

Pre, intra and post workout supplementation remains the same with the pslin, poseidon, BA, creatine, taurine and L-Leucine with the exception of some added BCAA's (5g) intra as well.... def dont taste too good though so I cant wait till this damn Xtend arrives.... last time I purchase from an Ebay store.

Also looking at getting some of the new BC+EAA from LG as it sounds great and has a mixture of both BCAA's and EAA's, the more the better :D.

am about to type up last nights review now as well for day 15....
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Good point. I'm just going to apply the 1-T to my scrotal sac. :lol: :ntome:
 
Log Update, Day 16/17, Back and Bi's/rest

Well last nights workout was pretty dandy too.

The pumps Im getting when I work my arms are getting pretty rediculous, almost impeding me from making a complete contraction when Im curling. Strength is also getting better and better. Im feeling MUCH more stable in exercises all around, using higher weights and am able to control them easily with my recruiting/supporting muscles to make very nice concentrated reps. This helps me to be able to focus the lifts on the targeted muscle MUCH better.


Lifts:
This week
Last week
Same
PR


Pull Ups- 12, 7
________10, 8
Iso HS front lat pulldown-70x30*, 90x10(simultaneous), 70x20*
_____________________ 90x10(simultaneous), 70x20*, 70x10(simultaneous)
Lat Pull down- 130x10, 100x10(behind head), 110x10
____________ 130x10, 100x10(behind head), 120x10 (wiiiide)
Seated row- 130x10, 100x15, 100x10
___________100x10, 120x10, 90x12
Hammer Curl- 40/40x20(l/r alternating), 35/35x20(l/r alternating)
___________ 35/35x20(l/r alternating), 40/40x20(l/r alternating)
Reg DB curl- 30/30x15(L/r alternating, 7/8)(this week only
Reverse grip EZ bar curl- 45x10, 55x10, 60x10(this week only)
BB curl- 65x10(last week only)
Dual lower cable curl(L/R)- 25/25x15, 35/35x10, 45/45x10
__________________ 25/25x12
Over head Cable curl(L/R)- 45/45x10, 55/55x10
_______________________35/35x20, 45/45x12
Seated Low row machine- 100x10, 120x10, 110x10
_______________________80x10, 100x10, 120x10
DB hammer curl- 25x20 (l/r alternating)(this week only)
DB curl- 25x14

*alternating left right never full extension to keep constant pressure

Was a great workout altogether. Def felt stronger, numbers increased, volume increased, altogether a pleasing workout. Had almost immediate DOMS though and today can still feel the effects as I got my son ready this morning and he felt like 100lbs to just pick up and set him on my lap (well hes a 1/3rd the way there at 35lbs and the kids not even one and a half yet).




Today, day 16, will be a rest day.... although this morning since Im not occupied with my normal community service schedule decided to do some bw plyo in a fasted state to get my day started and burn a lil fat....

took 224mg pslin, 1Xforce, 2Epi, 50mg DHEA and 3.7mg albuterol

Waited 15 min then hit a lil circuit of push ups sit ups and against the wall squats (just put on a slick jacket so I could slide) it went:

50pu, 40su, 20sq, 35pu, 20su, 20sq, 30pu, 15su, 18sq


with very lil rest and was light headed as all hell after that and had to take a breather on the balcony as I though I was gonna pass out.... havnt done direct ab work in who knows how long, probably over a year and even then it was seldom done so Im prob gonna be in pain tomorrow for all those situps.


Tomorrow is chest and again my weekly weigh in so we will see whats going on there... hopefully the scale is tipped higher, if not I will need to reevaluate my diet and get it higher and ready for the 1-T, I want to hit 210 but at least a very solid 205 so I may have to tinker a bit if I continue to see no changes.
 
Trauma1 said:
Good point. I'm just going to apply the 1-T to my scrotal sac. :lol: :ntome:
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LMAO I dunno how well that really works but Im sure its great for products like sustain... Im sure you are joking (maybe not :think:) but I prefer the shoulders chest and belly for the fact that PP mentioned more enzymes exist in the first two areas and the belly for the fact its a slightly denser dermis and has a lil fat where if you rub it in real good should allow for a longer release of the hormone into the body.... dunno how sound that reasoning is but Im gonna go with it anywho and see how it treats me(since also I have to watch arm applications so I dont transfer any to my son)
 
With females at the gym, if anything, I feel like I frighten them . . standing, sitting or laying there with sweaty balloned-up muscle bellies, grunting out rep after rep, with my zen-like focus staring holes in walls . .

.. I need to get to a gym where females can respect 'bodybuilding' and not merely 'faggot-pumping' like all the frat/abercrombie c*nts . .
 
well this chick is fairly fit at least and hits cardio for a while then hits some weights and ball exercises... seems pretty solid for a chicka... So it seems she def is in the know or at least isnt too worried bout working out right next to someone reppin 40lb db's and makin some funny faces and noises and then talking to him while his mid set...

Would def like to find a girly whos into fitness as much as I am, one thing that my wife/ex is not for the most part minus 2 day stints every couple months. :rolleyes:

Im def not at the gym to look for ladies any who, but If I happen upon one, or rather she happens upon me Im not disinclined to speak with her.

My current situation has me more hesitant then anything though. Not "looking" for anything right now, I got lots of other shii to take care of.
 
poopypants said:
LMAO I dunno how well that really works but Im sure its great for products like sustain... Im sure you are joking (maybe not :think:) but I prefer the shoulders chest and belly for the fact that PP mentioned more enzymes exist in the first two areas and the belly for the fact its a slightly denser dermis and has a lil fat where if you rub it in real good should allow for a longer release of the hormone into the body.... dunno how sound that reasoning is but Im gonna go with it anywho and see how it treats me(since also I have to watch arm applications so I dont transfer any to my son)
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Lol, i was. :p

It does apply to products like sustain alpha though as you said, but the enzymes needed for conversion are more prevalent in the shoulder and upper back.

Good call too on avoiding contact exposure to others such as your son, or significant others. I've already told my wife not to touch my back and shoulder areas after i apply the 1-T, or she'll grow a beard, lol! She didn't find the humor in it. :lol:
 
poopypants said:
Most people need to realize the bad press on SERMS come from medical studies done on them regarding breast cancer, where typically the doses are even higher and used for MONTHS on end.



If anything you get significant health BENEFITS from running a SERM given what it can do for an out of whack cholesterol/lipid profile set out of sorts from running all these steroidal compounds.
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Some of the cancer studies I have seen are for very high doses for up to 5 years in length! Much different than 20mg for 4 weeks.

Nolva is supposedly good for cholesterol/lipid levels, especially after coming off of something like adex which tanks them.
 
LOL nuttin like a scratchy beard faced lady mmmmhmmmm.

prob take alot more for you to really effect her, but since my son is so small Im sure that even small amounts may be effective enough to be detrimental to his health and growth... but always better safe then sorry with everyone, plus its just courteous to inform them of such and try your best to avoid contact with those sites.

:thumbsup:


Damn Im hopin I have a goodie in the mail tomorrow!!! wanna get this baby a started!
 
poopypants said:
last thing I need is the wrath of an angry woman starting a custody battle and trying to put my ass in the hole even more...... I give it 6 months to a year before I go on the prowl.
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Again, been there brother and it isn't fun. Your own advice is very good!
 
EasyEJL said:
i'm sure that would speed up your suppression at least :D
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Lol! - It would seem so, but it still requires a total systemic hormonal involvement for shutdown to occur via negative feedback mechanisms. I shouldn't have any more of a bearing on the significance of shutdown than if applied anywhere else.

I know it is recommended for transdermal applications in general because the skin is realtively thin, and contains a good amount of microvasculature increasing absorbtion and subsequent utilization.

All this talk about balls in this thread, lol! :lol:
 
poopypants said:
LOL nuttin like a scratchy beard faced lady mmmmhmmmm.

prob take alot more for you to really effect her, but since my son is so small Im sure that even small amounts may be effective enough to be detrimental to his health and growth... but always better safe then sorry with everyone, plus its just courteous to inform them of such and try your best to avoid contact with those sites.

:thumbsup:


Damn Im hopin I have a goodie in the mail tomorrow!!! wanna get this baby a started!
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Fo shizzle!

I'm jealous, i have to wait until saturday :(.....tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock. :lol:
 
Well for once the shipping is in my favor!!! most companies are mid east or eastern that are on here, even IBE!

I think there are a select few in AZ but hardly any here in cali surprisingly enough!

its all good though anyways.... I may wait till monday to start... not likely though :twisted:
 
poopypants said:
Well for once the shipping is in my favor!!! most companies are mid east or eastern that are on here, even IBE!

I think there are a select few in AZ but hardly any here in cali surprisingly enough!

its all good though anyways.... I may wait till monday to start... not likely though :twisted:
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Lol! Get'r done brother! :drunk:
 
poopypants said:
Well for once the shipping is in my favor!!! most companies are mid east or eastern that are on here, even IBE!

I think there are a select few in AZ but hardly any here in cali surprisingly enough!

its all good though anyways.... I may wait till monday to start... not likely though :twisted:
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thats so true! Primordial performance is in Oregon!!! there **** gets here so fast
 
I thought I was late as hell when I saw 12 pages but seems like the 1-t experience still hasn't started, and for me this is the product I`m most interested so in for the ride...

good luck for both bros
 
MaxGolf said:
T1 you pay for the move and were on our way:run:
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I'd love to visit oregon oneday though. I have a buddy that lives out there. Loves it!

I'm a nature guy myself, so i enjoy camping and such. That is the one thing is miss about new england. There is no such thing as camping in florida. :p
 
Trauma1 said:
I'd love to visit oregon oneday though. I have a buddy that lives out there. Loves it!

I'm a nature guy myself, so i enjoy camping and such. That is the one thing is miss about new england. There is no such thing as camping in florida. :p
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Very true. Oregon is sweet. 10 min and I can be deep in the woods camping. 1 hr and I’m at the beach, 2 hr and I’m snowboarding. Now that I think about it I’m staying
 
damn brotha, 12 pages in 14 days...not too shabby!

Hope I haven't missed too much already! (I'm getting caught up now)
 
MaxGolf said:
Very true. Oregon is sweet. 10 min and I can be deep in the woods camping. 1 hr and I’m at the beach, 2 hr and I’m snowboarding. Now that I think about it I’m staying
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I miss snowboarding too. :(
 
Trauma1 said:
I miss snowboarding too. :(
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thats one thing So Cal has over everyone.... floridas attractions of theme parks ladies and beaches (plus hollywood if you like it) and on top of that we got the end of the sierras and the san gabriels right here too and a few mountains to board on!

Although the trade offs are earthquakes for your hurricanes and sacrifice being able to snowboard in powder like mammoth and utah and oregon for ice or slush (but at least get to do it in a T-shirt :D)

Personally If I could board ed in utah and go out everynight and sleep in sandeigo I would be in paradise.
 
Trauma1 said:
I'd love to visit oregon oneday though. I have a buddy that lives out there. Loves it!

I'm a nature guy myself, so i enjoy camping and such. That is the one thing is miss about new england. There is no such thing as camping in florida. :p
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You can't camp in the Everglades?
 
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