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Hulking again with Havoc!

Just looking back on your pics.. Your Day 2 pics i think it was..jeez some crazy vascularity, beast like!
 
Day 25

on roids
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off roids
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I'm not going to look at the scale. I think i'm gaining some fat but at least i'm keeping the muscle it looks like...feeling Really pumped...just as much as havoc at times during the day from the cissus


Elbow feels pretty darn good. Can't wait for another cycle of something! I'm addicted and this is evil! muhahaha....imagine pheraplex
 
PCT: Completed 35 Days Out

GREAT!

-libido high
-joint pain fading (taking cissus, liqui glucosamine)

Weight: 184 :)

Strength - keeps shooting up like I"m on havoc again

PERSONAL RECORDS TODAY! 225x6,225x5,235x3 BB Bench!

This is more than i've ever done in my life. I'm the biggest I've ever been. Everyone is asking me if i'm on roids. Getting stretch marks on my back! and around my inside biceps!

So Far, this cycle has been completely a success...I was hindered by my elbow hence the reason I didn't gain as much weight as I had hoped but I reached 184 on cycle and have worked to keep it succesfully....

Think i've made it past that off-cycle speed bump and Ill keep those hard earned gains now? Time to push for Franco Columbou size now!
 
Indeed pretty sick gains my friend... I just finished er... finishing my Havoc cycle and I haven't felt so good ina while... love how I'm lookin now... can't wait to go at it again. Keep it up bro...!
 
pct

how would u rate your pct? what did u use?
did u end up needing the nolva? any sides?
u look good bro...keep up the hard work.
 
Why dont u stop using roids, and just train, u think u can achieve that kind of muscles? btw i dont use roids, i use supplements only. btw how to take fish oils? im using creatine and some whey and glutamin. 1 more question, if ever u got gyno, how u get rid of it? surgery?
 
onimusha said:
Why dont u stop using roids, and just train, u think u can achieve that kind of muscles? btw i dont use roids, i use supplements only. btw how to take fish oils? im using creatine and some whey and glutamin. 1 more question, if ever u got gyno, how u get rid of it? surgery?
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onimusha said:
Guys can u give me the link how to use Roids? and what is this reversitol? how to cycle havoc? what is Serm?
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lol :think:
 
onimusha said:
Why dont u stop using roids, and just train, u think u can achieve that kind of muscles? btw i dont use roids, i use supplements only. btw how to take fish oils? im using creatine and some whey and glutamin. 1 more question, if ever u got gyno, how u get rid of it? surgery?
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haha why not use roids if you know what your doing and can safely administer them without any effects like you are speaking of (gyno), (theres alot to knowing what you are doing)

I guess this is why we are all in the "steroid" section of the forum

Steroids are amazing if you use them in moderation, as a supplementation, not as the pinnacle of your practice. I can gain weight naturally, I gained probably 60% on my own and I was very small and very hard at gaining...however, at the amount I eat while "on" I would gain fat along with the muscle if I was "off", thus IMO making my gains not worth it.
 
angelo212 said:
I was under the impression to take fats with all prohormones. I read that from the Doctor over at DA.
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I noted that as well

I would usually take my pills with a half shot of olive oil.

The idea is that they're lipid soluble and will absorbed better in the first place if you take them with fatty foods
 
Wow, and I thought I posted some stupid sh!t!!!

Anyway, after reading your log Monsterbox, I am gonna be P.O.'d if EPI doesn't do the same for me.....That's awesome right there!! Glad this stuff works so well!!
 
waynaferd said:
Wow, and I thought I posted some stupid sh!t!!!

Anyway, after reading your log Monsterbox, I am gonna be P.O.'d if EPI doesn't do the same for me.....That's awesome right there!! Glad this stuff works so well!!
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haha...guys its not the epistane

its the food, diet, training....my two cycles of epi have only given me about 30 maybe 40% of what i've gained.

everyone is like WOW great results...I honestly feel like this last cycle wasn't that big of a deal....I didn't gain much strength at all just a little more reps and about 6lbs of muscle...I lost 2lbs and gained the 2 back over the past month

This is why I want to try something real now.

My first cycle of epi was very effective and I gained like 12lbs, but I greatly attribute this to the fact that I hadn't hit a plateau at that time by any means...I took it too early
 
monsterbox said:
guys, this roid rage **** is true. I understand why chris benoit killed his family now. Seriously, last cycle I thought anger was bullshit, but in all honesty I have noticed a noticeably change in emotions.

In general, I just get upset/happy/mad very easily. One thing makes me feel great and more happy that usual but another makes me SO ****ing pissed Ill yell or do rash things I would never do. My car got booted and I wasn't parked in an illegally marked spot. I advised the dude that he should carry a gun so I dont beat the **** out of him and take his keys to unlock the boot.

I believe part of the reason immature people should not use PH is because of the emotional effects. If you drink, are easily angered, and like to fight I can see how this would be a terrible idea to take steroids. I definitely notice that I have to hold in my angers, even though I get this insane dominant feeling that I'm correct about everything no matter what.
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Benoit had a brain compared to an 85 year old Alzheimer patient. It was from his top move. I doubt steroids were the entire reason behind it, although at the dosages he was using them in, they probably played a part in it.

Anyways, impressive gains man. Keep up the good work!
 
monsterbox said:
haha...guys its not the epistane

its the food, diet, training....my two cycles of epi have only given me about 30 maybe 40% of what i've gained.

everyone is like WOW great results...I honestly feel like this last cycle wasn't that big of a deal....I didn't gain much strength at all just a little more reps and about 6lbs of muscle...I lost 2lbs and gained the 2 back over the past month

This is why I want to try something real now.

My first cycle of epi was very effective and I gained like 12lbs, but I greatly attribute this to the fact that I hadn't hit a plateau at that time by any means...I took it too early
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No doubt!!!

I got my training and diet down to a science ( for myself, anyway), and could probably make decent gains all year, but why not speed up the process?! Plus this is a great way to get into this "gear" stuff :D
 
so when you doing Havoc again? :dance::dance::dance:
 
I tell you what monsterbox! from 10 months ago to now you have made some lifetime gains man. I'm absolutely impressed with what you have done to your body. Great Job!
all this on how many cycles of havoc?
 
Bravoboy said:
I tell you what monsterbox! from 10 months ago to now you have made some lifetime gains man. I'm absolutely impressed with what you have done to your body. Great Job!
all this on how many cycles of havoc?
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I think this latest cycle was his 2nd
 
Thanks guys!

1.75 cycles.

The last cycle can't really count as much. I only gained 3 real lbs due to my elbow problem.

After the latest cycle I dropped to 180 through PCT. I've now climed my way up to 185 solid. Just a tiny bit more of bf% because I don't have the havoc to counteract the fat gains.

I've set a new PR this week on bench. 225x5 225x5, 205x5, 205x5, 205x5.

Two months ago I was struggling with 205 5x5 routine.

Next cycle will most likely be pretty damn STRONG:

CEL P-Plex - Epistane Big Bridge.

2 weeks P-Plex, 2 weeks P-Plex and Epi, 1 Week Epi

5 weeks total...2 weeks with both, and one week of epi to dry up the water retention from pheraplex and solidfy the gains.

PCT: Toremifene, L-dopa, Reversitol

Hoping to get to 195+ Need to hit my 200 goal soon. Hopefully get the arms up to 16inches. And bench up to 245 repping.

Look for it in January!
 
I'm new to this site. This has been a great thread for me. I didn't even know this legal sh1t existed until a month or so ago, and now I'm really tempted...

I'm 38 yrs old, and been working out off and on since high school. Never did any kind of roids. Did a bit of power lifting in college, but nothing ever really serious.

Taking some HGH releaser and Stoked right now, but haven't gotten a lot from it, but it may be too early. May have to give either havoc or h-drol a try soon, though. Gotta do some more reading on the pct, cause the itchy oozing nipple thing sounds kinda scary to me...
 
hyperCat said:
I'm new to this site. This has been a great thread for me. I didn't even know this legal sh1t existed until a month or so ago, and now I'm really tempted...

I'm 38 yrs old, and been working out off and on since high school. Never did any kind of roids. Did a bit of power lifting in college, but nothing ever really serious.

Taking some HGH releaser and Stoked right now, but haven't gotten a lot from it, but it may be too early. May have to give either havoc or h-drol a try soon, though. Gotta do some more reading on the pct, cause the itchy oozing nipple thing sounds kinda scary to me...
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Read indeed. But for your information, stoked is NOTHING compared to something like havoc. If you are going to jump into a real cycle of a real PH I do indeed recommend epistane or h-drol. Anything non-methylated is a waste of money compared to havc and its gains/side effect ratio. Just make sure you have a good PCT lined up.

The nipple crap RARELY occurs with havoc/epistane...and if it does, its generally during PCT from not using correct dosages/serms/supplemts/test boosters.
 
monsterbox said:
Read indeed. But for your information, stoked is NOTHING compared to something like havoc. If you are going to jump into a real cycle of a real PH I do indeed recommend epistane or h-drol. Anything non-methylated is a waste of money compared to havc and its gains/side effect ratio. Just make sure you have a good PCT lined up.

The nipple crap RARELY occurs with havoc/epistane...and if it does, its generally during PCT from not using correct dosages/serms/supplemts/test boosters.
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Yeah, I knew the test boosters wouldn't compare, but for some reason my lib has been MIA a bit lately, and thought I'd give Stoked a shot. I've been running it for ~2 weeks now, and have only felt minimal effects so far. I'll finish it up and move on to something else. I'll look closer at epi or h-drol.
 
hyperCat said:
Yeah, I knew the test boosters wouldn't compare, but for some reason my lib has been MIA a bit lately, and thought I'd give Stoked a shot. I've been running it for ~2 weeks now, and have only felt minimal effects so far. I'll finish it up and move on to something else. I'll look closer at epi or h-drol.
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I would highly advise against anything hormonal if you are having libido problems now. Get a blood test if your libido doesn't return and you think its related to test. If you have low test levels now, its bad to do a cycle...the cycle won't help you as much as it normally would, and youd have a greater potential for issues post cycle recovery wise.
 
monsterbox said:
I would highly advise against anything hormonal if you are having libido problems now. Get a blood test if your libido doesn't return and you think its related to test. If you have low test levels now, its bad to do a cycle...the cycle won't help you as much as it normally would, and youd have a greater potential for issues post cycle recovery wise.
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Thanks for the advice - I've been considering a visit to the doctor just to get a work up, anyway. Can't hurt, and it'd give me a good baseline. Guess it's a little humbling to have my package in question. It still works, but just takes a little bit more to man up at times than it used to. Could also be just normal aging at work too.
 
Did you use a test booster first time round monsterbox? What week of your pct did you start on it? I've been looking into DTHC, was thinking that maybe over Activate Extreme.
 
I know this questin was for monsterbox but I just want to add. I took DTH during PCT after my havoc/prop stack and it worked great! Big balls baby. By day 9 iwas feeling 100% back!
 
Bravoboy said:
I know this questin was for monsterbox but I just want to add. I took DTH during PCT after my havoc/prop stack and it worked great! Big balls baby. By day 9 iwas feeling 100% back!
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how did you dose the DTH? and was it from day 1 of pct you started it?
 
I dosed the DTH about in the middle of my first week. I bought it after my cycle and wanted to add it to PCT. I can tell you I took the recommended dose for the first 3 days. and then bumped it up to 4 a week and then after about a couple of days went to 5 and I seriously had to go back down to 4. It was an awesome addition but stronger than what I expected which is good. never taken Activate Xtream but I can tell you DTH isn't a disapointment. Start with 3 for about 3-4 days then adjust it however you feel.

Hey chub, how in the hell do I post my logs on my signature at bottom so that they will appear a link. I've tried copy and paste my url. copy the titile of the log and do it and still nothing. do i need to get rid of my current sig. or what. might be a stupid question but im not big into myspace or editing this stuff. I'm just an AM junkie!!!!!! sorry if this is off topic but it's been on my mind for a while.
 
I did not use anything besides nolva for the first cycle...and nolva for 3 weeks at that. My lefty still seemed kinda small and my sex drive lagged. I didn't know I was shut down a bit.


Second go around I used Reversitol. Worked like a charm. Felt amazing day 1 PCT.
 
My next go round (Havoc/MMv2/supercissus) is gonna be pretty explosive PCT.

Nolva- 20/20/10/10 (wks 1-4) maybe just 20/10
Reversitol-3/2/2/1 (wks 1-4)
Blue Up - (wks 1-4) 3 pre-workout
Ragnarok - (wks 1-4) 1 serv. pre-workout
CEE + GlycerGrow - pre & intraworkout mix(1-4)
Lean Xtreme (wks 1-4) 3/2/2/1
Novedex XT - not sure on wks or dosage yet!
may not be needed, but I will probably throw it in during wk 3 of PCT to help keep from rebounding.

This should keep most gains. I'm excited as F***!
 
Bravoboy said:
Hey chub, how in the hell do I post my logs on my signature at bottom so that they will appear a link. I've tried copy and paste my url. copy the titile of the log and do it and still nothing. do i need to get rid of my current sig. or what. might be a stupid question but im not big into myspace or editing this stuff. I'm just an AM junkie!!!!!! sorry if this is off topic but it's been on my mind for a while.
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go to User CP then Edit Signature. Just above the txt box you see a small globe and a chain round it, it'll come up as "insert link" when you put the mouse over it. Click it and paste the link of the log into it. Should work :)

Cheers for the Advice on DTHC!
 
6 oxo and nolvadex should be fine. some people choose to add more than what you surely need, but that will do you fine bro.
 
Bravoboy

you need to be a gold member to be able to have active links in the signiture. You can go to the control panel and buy into the annual subscription. it's 20 bucks for the year.
 
CopyCat said:
Bravoboy

you need to be a gold member to be able to have active links in the signiture. You can go to the control panel and buy into the annual subscription. it's 20 bucks for the year.
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ahh really? didn't realise that! learn something new everyday in this place! :)
 
I just learned a couple days ago myself because I wanted active links. Also, I decided that I'm on here enough and appreciate this site and wanted to help contribute to it.
 
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