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Asteroid + Gaspari (Size On/SP250)

magusxxx

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The title says it all.

I plan on ordering the Asteroid stack tomorrow. In addition to a good vitamin (Animal Pak) and BCAAs/gultamine (Purple Wraath),
I wanted to get a good NO2 and creatine that will synergize well with the stack, so I was thinking:

NO2
(1) sp250 OR
(2) white flood OR
(3) NO-XPLODE

and the creatine
(1) Size On
(2) Green Mag
(3) or regular good ol creatine mono

Could someone give me dosing suggestions and timings? I know that since AP is an insulin mimicker, there could be problems some of the products that do other things to insulin, like the Size On.

On another note, I love how creatine is one of those words that my browser is always trying to "spell right."

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magusxxx said:
The title says it all.

I plan on ordering the Asteroid stack tomorrow. In addition to a good vitamin (Animal Pak) and BCAAs/gultamine (Purple Wraath),
I wanted to get a good NO2 and creatine that will synergize well with the stack, so I was thinking:

NO2
(1) sp250 OR
(2) white flood OR
(3) NO-XPLODE

and the creatine
(1) Size On
(2) Green Mag
(3) or regular good ol creatine mono

Could someone give me dosing suggestions and timings? I know that since AP is an insulin mimicker, there could be problems some of the products that do other things to insulin, like the Size On.

On another note, I love how creatine is one of those words that my browser is always trying to "spell right."

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I would stick with creatine mono. AP will actually increase the efficiency of creatine. Pick up some NP bulk creatine. As far as the pre-workout product, you could look into USPlabs JACKED. It will be released soon via Inner Circle. Also, i personally like MST Ragnorok. You eed to be sure to dose the products above away from Anabolic-Pump because they (with the exception of NO Xplode) contain insulin mimickers like Vanadyl sulfate.

Anabolic-Pump dose not contain insulin mimickers. Vanadyl sulfate, however, is an insulin mimicker. Anabolic-Pump will allow your body to release less insulin due to the more efficient and effective carbohydrate metabolism. Furthermore, AP works completely independently of your pancreas.

You will have volume from creatine, vaso-pump from n.o. product as well as the AP 'food pump' and vascularity/fullness from PRIME. Your multi-vitamin and BCAA/Glutamine supplementation will work synergisticly with PowerFULL to promote recovery and sense of well being.

As far as dosing, please post your diet and training schedules and we can help you out.

If i missed anything, let me know!
 
Scrap it and go with pre surge for your no creatine product.
 
Look at the ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION
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For my diet and training, I'll be following the Asteroid Stack writeup

Meals at 830, 12, 300, 530, 830, 1130.

I've taken most of my diet/workout information from the "asteroid stack manual".

I'd link it but I don't have posts yet to put it in, or enough posts to PM...

Also, most importantly, I'll be training around 430PM each day.

I've decided on either Ragnarok or SP250 and just good ol regular creatine. I am worried about the SP interfering with the AP that will be taken after my workout. Because I dose Rag or SP right before the workout, should I take an AP right after post-workout shake and creatine/oats at 530pm)? Or should I dose the AP at my dinner meal(830pm)?

Also, Between the PRIME, PF, and AP, the thing I am also concerned about is dosing my carbs, creatine, BCAAs, and others away from the Powerfull. From what I've been told, improper timing of this could screw up the GH absorption. Will Rag or SP mess up the Powerfull when I take the PF right before workout?

Once again, thanks again for your help.
 
magusxxx said:
For my diet and training, I'll be following the Asteroid Stack writeup
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Awesome, keep us updated on the progress. The outline in the ASteroid manual is unconventional yet extremely effective.

magusxxx said:
Meals at 830, 12, 300, 530, 830, 1130.

I've taken most of my diet/workout information from the "asteroid stack manual".

I'd link it but I don't have posts yet to put it in, or enough posts to PM...

Also, most importantly, I'll be training around 430PM each day.
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I would dose as follows:
Meal 1 - 3 PRIME and 1 Anabolic-Pump (15mins prior, only if carbohydrate containing)

Meal 3 - 3 PRIME and 1 Anabolic-Pump (15mins prior, only if carbohydrate containing)

4:00PM - 3 PowerFULL

Meal 5 - 3 PRIME and 1 Anabolic-Pump (15mins prior, only if carbohydrate containing)

Pre-Bed, at least 30 mins after carb ingestion - 2 PowerFULL

You may want to adjust dose amounts. I would suggest the 3x3 for PRIME for the initial week then you may drop to 2x3. Also, there are various ways to dose PowerFULL however, the layout i posted has worked best for me. You can also manipulate your timing with Anabolic-Pump, for more information on that, you can read our "AP Manual".

magusxxx said:
I've decided on either Ragnarok or SP250 and just good ol regular creatine. I am worried about the SP interfering with the AP that will be taken after my workout. Because I dose Rag or SP right before the workout, should I take an AP right after post-workout shake and creatine/oats at 530pm)? Or should I dose the AP at my dinner meal(830pm)?
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Again, my vote goes for the Ragnorok.
As i said above, i would dose before your 'dinner meal' assuming that it contains at least 40-50g of carbohydrate.


magusxxx said:
Also, Between the PRIME, PF, and AP, the thing I am also concerned about is dosing my carbs, creatine, BCAAs, and others away from the Powerfull. From what I've been told, improper timing of this could screw up the GH absorption. Will Rag or SP mess up the Powerfull when I take the PF right before workout?
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To my knowledge carbohydrate will blunt natural GH release. I am unsure of the actual root cause where it be insulin presence or otherwise. If it is indeed insulin presence, theoretically BCAA ingestion would cause a similar issue. I will ask Mullet tonight.

However, i believe you will be fine with dosing either product with PowerFULL as they both contain very low amounts of carbohydrate.

magusxxx said:
Once again, thanks again for your help.
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No problem. If you need anything else, please let me know.
 
Here is an answer to the GH questions...

Mulletsoldier said:
It depends on the balance of EAA/BCAAs within the protein itself. High concentrations of Leucine may elicit an Insulin response, though it is doubtful that it would be substantial enough to negate the effects of PowerFULL. To be safe, though, it is best to use on a fairly empty stomach.
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According to there site
PreSurge Highlights:
• Prime & Fuel Muscular GROWTH
• Increase Nitric Oxide Synthesis & Vascularity with patented GlycoCarn
• Maximize Blood flow, Engorging Muscles with Nutrient Filled Blood
• Maximize Muscle Fullness & Hardness
• Increase Energy, Intensity & Stamina
• Utilizes German made Creapure, the world's purest creatine with a proven safety profile
• Dramatically increase creatine uptake with specialized Russian Tarragon extract, NO CARBS NEEDED
• Utilizes a specialized wild green oat extract for Mental Energy & Focus
 
I will doing that with the monster stack of pslin carbs etc.
 
So far its good. To bad they left our message board to comment on it. I like it as I am doing this with the monster stack right now.
 
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