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PapaPump's CJC-1295/GHRP-6 6-month Run

Since I had elevated BP yesterday, I'm down to 50mcg CJC/150mcg GHRP-6 3x ED. So far today has been good :)

I'm also back on Hawthorn on an as needed basis.

This morning's BP: ~115/75

IT'S MUH BIRFDAYYY!!!! 31!!! :dance::djparty:



Happy Birthday Youngster ;)
 
A little disturbing perhaps. Anyway, happy belated b-day Papa. The 30's were great bodybuilding years for me.

You see what I have to put up with in here??! Poking, prodding, pissin' & moanin'.....I got it all goin' on in here! :P

Thanks for the B-day wishes gents! :hammer:
 
10/21/2008

I'm feeling better on my 50mcg CJC/150mcg GHRP-6 3x ED protocol right now. I will cruise on this for a week or so and then bump up one of the peps and see how I do.

My weight at the gym last night was 207. I'm one pound off from my record high which I'll admit, is not cool. I REALLY need to lean the **** out. I've made serious adjustments to my diet and will incorporate MORE cardio.

I finally got my new blender (Oster Professional series, 1/3HP)! Now I can make some killer shakes. Haven't been able to for over a year (blenderless shakes blow). :) Papa stoked!
 
LOL where do you find this stuff? Thanks Bob!

Ummm...

That was me one Halloween, after someone suggested I go as Pin Head, but I failed to realize that they were talking about the movie "Hellraiser".
I still had a good time knocking on doors, holding out my Sharps container and yelling "Stick or Treat".
Ahh, good times, LOL :D

PS- Naw, actually I found it using Google Images ;)
 
Ummm...

That was me one Halloween, after someone suggested I go as Pin Head, but I failed to realize that they were talking about the movie "Hellraiser".
I still had a good time knocking on doors, holding out my Sharps container and yelling "Stick or Treat".
Ahh, good times, LOL :D

LOL, cool man, I like it! I'm diggin' the pluger on top too...makes a slick little needle! ;)
 
10/21/2008My weight at the gym last night was 207. I'm one pound off from my record high which I'll admit, is not cool. I REALLY need to lean the **** out. I've made serious adjustments to my diet and will incorporate MORE cardio.


Do you feel like you are holding a lot of water? I know I am, and it's very mental to just let it go. It's almost as disturbing as if it were weight gain do to BF.
 
Do you feel like you are holding a lot of water? I know I am, and it's very mental to just let it go. It's almost as disturbing as if it were weight gain do to BF.

Well, I don't know if it's water gain or fat. I'm assuming there's excessive fat gain but I see your point regarding H2O. My lifts have been going up continuously so if that makes a difference (muscle gain may be at play).

At any rate I want to lean out a LOT. I just don't like where I'm at right now. I'm not worried as a revised diet and cardio will take care of this. :hammer:
 
Ummm...

That was me one Halloween, after someone suggested I go as Pin Head, but I failed to realize that they were talking about the movie "Hellraiser".
I still had a good time knocking on doors, holding out my Sharps container and yelling "Stick or Treat".

:toofunny:

BTW, Bobaslaw, every time I see your screen name I get a strong urge to go to Kentucky Fried Chicken! :D
 
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 272: E803-E808, 1997

Blockade of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system prevents growth hormone-induced fluid retention in humans
J. Moller, N. Moller, E. Frandsen, T. Wolthers, J. O. Jorgensen and J. S. Christiansen
Medical Department M (Endocrinology and Diabetes), University Hospital of Aarhus, Denmark.

To test if the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS) is involved in growth hormone (GH)-associated fluid retention, we examined the effect of GH administration in the presence or absence of RAAS blockade at different levels on body fluid homeostasis. Eight subjects were examined in a controlled, randomized double-blinded trial. During four 6-day periods they received subcutaneous GH (6 IU-m-2) or placebo injections and tablets as follows: 1) placebo and placebo, 2) GH and placebo, 3) GH and captopril, and 4) GH and spironolactone. GH increased extracellular volume (liters; placebo 18.87 +/- 0.85; GH + placebo 20.43 +/- 1.01) but this effect was abolished by captopril (GH + captopril 18.82 +/- 0.67) and spironolactone (GH + spironolactone 18.99 +/- 0.85). Correspondingly, the GH-induced reduction in bioimpedance was blocked by captopril and spironolactone. Plasma renin and angiotensin II concentrations increased during all three GH treatment regimens, whereas plasma aldosterone was increased only after GH plus spironolactone. The data demonstrate that GH activates the RAAS and that blockade of the RAAS by two separate mechanisms prevents fluid retention normally encountered after GH exposure. These observations suggest that the RAAS plays a key role in GH-induced regulation of fluid homeostasis.


I shall continue to read up on this......very interesting. And Bob, I saw your post w/the RAAS flowchart/diagram in the other post. Very nice, thanks. :)


^^^^ What a SECCI ba$tard!!!

I found this study to be of interest regarding GH and water retention and the cardiovascular system in general. I will revisit this study soon, but putting it here as a place holder for now.

Epithelial sodium channel is a key mediator of growth hormone-induced sodium retention in acromegaly
Endocrinology. 2008 July; 149(7): 3294–3305.

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EDIT (Addition): The underlying reason for this article is, "Chronic hypersecretion of growth hormone (GH) and subsequent hypersecretion of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) in acromegaly leads to major cardiovascular complications which constitute the main cause (60%) of mortality. Arterial hypertension that occurs in 30–40% of acromegalic patients is one of the most important prognostic factors of increased mortality....However, the molecular mechanisms by which GH controls sodium and water homeostasis remain poorly understood."


This study basically finds that GH, GHR, and GH's target, IGF-1) play a significant role in the regulation of sodium homeostasis in the corticol collecting ducts (CCD) of nephrons (see nephron image below for CCD). I've omitted a bunch of technical mumbo-jumbo that isn't necessary for most readers. GH and water retention really isn't new information as it has been common knowledge for a long time that excess GH leads to antinatriuresis (witholding of water via Na+ accumulation). Much of the focus of this article though involes the kidney's role in Na+ homeostasis (more specifically, the late distal nephron -- yippee) and "various molecular events of GH-induced sodium reabsorption in the distal nephron.". So basically they're digging deeply into why GH has this effect on sodium retention, blood pressure, plasma expansion, and "water bloat" typically seen in acromegalic patients.

I will include their proposed model of cooperative GH and IGF-1 action in cortical collecting duct cells. Let me quickly say that you will notice that GH + GHR leads to JAK2/STAT5 activation which leads to the expression of target genes (including alpha-ENaC, a subunit of the ENaC: epithelian sodium channel). These ENaC channels are responsible for sodium transport in the nephrons. Essentially one can generalize and assume that as you increase GH (thus, IGF-1), you increase the manufacture of ENaC subunits, thus ENaC channels, which bring Na+ (sodium) into the body. This increased sodium retention causes an obligatory reaction with H2O molecules (sodium has a positive charge and water has electronegative charge so they like to travel together).

The ultimate result:
1) "Plasma volume expansion and increased cardiac output"
2) "...increased extracellular volume is constantly present and accounts for soft-tissue swelling and organomegaly consistent with the antinatriuretic effects of GH"


Below is an image of a nephron (nephrons make up the kidneys basically):

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10/30/2008
Weight: 208lbs (tied for record max. weight)

My workouts seem to be sucking lately. My achy hands seem to be affecting my grip and how I feel overall (like an old bast/ard). I just don't feel "together" when I'm in the gym. It's weird...everything feels heavy when I don't feel like I'm all with it.

I had a decent upper body day several days ago. Incline bench was good, but anytime I have to use grip strength, it sucks (DB curls for example).

I have forgotten to take my oils lately so I'll jump on those. But damn, in the morning when I get out of bed I feel like one old man....hands are weak and achy/stiff, feet hurt, etc. Where the HELL is the YOUTH in this sh!t! LOL :rofl:

Pumb, you know I'm sensitive man.....this is really getting me all worked up and quivver-lipped. :trout:
 
Dude your 31 now......its a downhill journey to 40 from here bro. What did you expectd :toofunny:

Nah im just given you a hard time bro. My grip gets the same way at times. How far are you into this blast cycle? That may have somthing to do with it? Possibley the carpel tunnel like effects of high hGH doses? Im no dat or pumb, just throwing my $.02 in there trying to help out.
 
Dude your 31 now......its a downhill journey to 40 from here bro. What did you expectd :toofunny:

Nah im just given you a hard time bro. My grip gets the same way at times. How far are you into this blast cycle? That may have somthing to do with it? Possibley the carpel tunnel like effects of high hGH doses? Im no dat or pumb, just throwing my $.02 in there trying to help out.

Oh YOU A$$HOLE!!!! Pulling the AGE card on me!!!

:rofl:

I DO think it's the effects of the GH. I've had the achy hands stuff for a while now. And with the "off" feeling I get in my other joints, it just makes working out feel....."off" too. Maybe it's a phase w/the GH until I adapt? I dunno.

Dat/Pumb/Bob....ya'll got any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback?! ;) No comments about 'old age', 'being sensitive', 'overly cautious/analytic', 'being a b!tch', etc. Gotta love my boys!
 
Oh YOU A$$HOLE!!!! Pulling the AGE card on me!!!

:rofl:

I DO think it's the effects of the GH. I've had the achy hands stuff for a while now. And with the "off" feeling I get in my other joints, it just makes working out feel....."off" too. Maybe it's a phase w/the GH until I adapt? I dunno.

Dat/Pumb/Bob....ya'll got any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback?! ;) No comments about 'old age', 'being sensitive', 'overly cautious/analytic', 'being a b!tch', etc. Gotta love my boys!

GH pulls more water into me which is good for lifting.

I work my muscles not my joints and I lift natural ranges of motion. For example, hang you arms down by your sides and look at you hand position. It isn't anywhere close to being supinated so why do curls in a supinated position?

Pick up a dumbell and curl with your hands in that natural position (probably be more Hammer style). When you want to go heavy reduce the leverage and force on your forearms by curling across the body.

When I bench press I do not come close to touching my chest. I want to keep the load on the chest and when I explode up I want that turn-around point to be a place where the load is on my chest not my shoulders. I never come close to locking out so my triceps aren't taxed. All of the motion is designed to work the pecs only.

Guess what? My shoulders never ache because I don't drop a heavy load to them in a position awkward to them (i.e. the last few bottom inches in a bench press).

I do Military behind the kneck shoulder presses where I go down to the earloab but no further down. The bar scrapes the back of my head and stays in close.

Even with this movement I have zero shoulder problems.

I use hooks or straps for every pulling movement period.

The weight is just a tool. I lift heavy but don't play the D.C. beat the book games.

I hit every muscle group 3 times per week with just enough intense sets to stimulate growth but not overly tax the CNS. Thats 3 growth events a week. My CNS isn't fried ...my one or two days off per week is all I need. I stay fresh and grow.

I'm a decade older then you and I feel a decade younger then you do at the moment.

If you are overly inhibiting estrogen as well your joints will ache as well.

Anyway I know you've caught the D.C. religion and I've mentioned several times better ways to lift so I'm not going to bring it up again.

Growing a lot of tissue is an uncomfortable process bro. The lifting is the fun part. The taking in of 6000 calories of whole food a day is the incredibly difficult part.
 
Dat/Pumb/Bob....ya'll got any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback?! ;) No comments about 'old age', 'being sensitive', 'overly cautious/analytic', 'being a b!tch', etc. Gotta love my boys!


Actually I have been in the same boat with grip issues. I am considering grip supports such as in the link below (for exercises that do not utilize straps/hooks). The ergonomics would reduce the grip force needed and thus the associated discomfort with gripping around a smaller diameter. Seems that is problematic for carpel tunnel and similar issues.

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GH pulls more water into me which is good for lifting.
I agree, I'm def. holding more water.

I work my muscles not my joints and I lift natural ranges of motion. For example, hang you arms down by your sides and look at you hand position. It isn't anywhere close to being supinated so why do curls in a supinated position?
But your hands/arms CAN supinate. But I see your point.....do we typically pick up heavy objects and supinate at the same time? Not usually. Do we pick up and apple and supinate to get it to our mouths? Yes.

Pick up a dumbell and curl with your hands in that natural position (probably be more Hammer style). When you want to go heavy reduce the leverage and force on your forearms by curling across the body.
Yes, I do this too. I agree.

When I bench press I do not come close to touching my chest. I want to keep the load on the chest and when I explode up I want that turn-around point to be a place where the load is on my chest not my shoulders. I never come close to locking out so my triceps aren't taxed. All of the motion is designed to work the pecs only.

I don't bench (flat) press anymore. I do incline BP though and have no issues with decline as well. I have never touched the bar to my chest....too much ROM and not necessary. I WILL though try limiting my triceps in the ROM....less distance to lock-out. I never lock-out though as there's always a slight bend in my elbows.

Guess what? My shoulders never ache because I don't drop a heavy load to them in a position awkward to them (i.e. the last few bottom inches in a bench press).

I do Military behind the kneck shoulder presses where I go down to the earloab but no further down. The bar scrapes the back of my head and stays in close.

Even with this movement I have zero shoulder problems.

I need to comment on "behind the neck" movements. I think it's awfully unnatural to lift heavy items using a behind-the-neck motion. If I ever have to lift a bowling ball off a tall shelf, I'll do it facing forward where my eyes are. I don't think nature ever intended people to lift with their arms behind and above them. That's just my logic to it all. I'm not saying it'll cause death if done that way but it's just a movement I avoid because I think nature doesn't favor it too much.

I use hooks or straps for every pulling movement period.

Yep, I just got a new pair. I'm still getting used to using them as they can be a pain to wrap around the bar correctly. I'm a newb yet.

The weight is just a tool. I lift heavy but don't play the D.C. beat the book games.

I hit every muscle group 3 times per week with just enough intense sets to stimulate growth but not overly tax the CNS. Thats 3 growth events a week. My CNS isn't fried ...my one or two days off per week is all I need. I stay fresh and grow.

3x EW? Upper/lower-type workout? I'm assuming you do a U/L/OFF/U/L/OFF/U : repeat or the same regiment but w/only 1 rest day?

I'm a decade older then you (HE HEEE!) and I feel a decade younger then you do at the moment. :)



If you are overly inhibiting estrogen as well your joints will ache as well.

Not taking anything to inhibit estrogen (that I'm aware of man).

Anyway I know you've caught the D.C. religion and I've mentioned several times better ways to lift so I'm not going to bring it up again.

No no, I haven't caught anything! I read up on and tried DC training. I thought it was a good 6-weeks as progress was obvious as was recovery (usually). But, I'm always open to learning new methods, especially those that help me recover faster. When not on PH/DS/AAS, I tend to recover poorly. So the more I can workout and recover, the better (obviously)

Growing a lot of tissue is an uncomfortable process bro. The lifting is the fun part. The taking in of 6000 calories of whole food a day is the incredibly difficult part.

You consume 6,000 cals ED?! That may be doable by you since you have such an advanced "stack" going that your body can utilize all that FOOD. Once I start an oral I'll up my cals but damn, if it's just GH I can't plow down cals w/o fat gain. Ya, I need to do more cardio. BTW, how tall are you Dat? Weight? BF%??? :wave:

Great feedback though, thank you!
 
Actually I have been in the same boat with grip issues. I am considering grip supports such as in the link below (for exercises that do not utilize straps/hooks). The ergonomics would reduce the grip force needed and thus the associated discomfort with gripping around a smaller diameter. Seems that is problematic for carpel tunnel and similar issues.

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Thanks Bob for the info :)

Guys, I guess what I'm saying is that ever since I started CJC/GHRP I've noticed a dramatic increase in "achiness" and this weird feeling of achiness all over. The morning has my hands and feet quite achy. When I try to lift, I get a slight stiff/achy feeling in the joints worked.

I'm a conservative lifter...I don't lift "heavy"...I'm not a strong dood. Rather, I'm in it for the aesthetics, overall health benefits, and longevity. The strength will come along as I train for symmetry, fullness, etc. In essence, I don't powerlift. Too harsh on my joints.

Example: I did incline bench several days ago...I only got 7 reps at 275lbs on 1st working set. I value my joints and ROM and lift conservatively (IMO).

Thanks everyone for your input though. I really value it all :)
 
You consume 6,000 cals ED?! That may be doable by you since you have such an advanced "stack" going that your body can utilize all that FOOD.

I still gain fat but the GH, insulin & test is in a sweet spot at the moment. When it gets in that spot you just add a couple of pounds of muscle tissue per week. When it slips out of that spot like when I kept everything the same but dropped to 700mcg of CJC growth is much slower.

I changed my dosing protocol for the better I think.

I still do the morning slin but moved that morning dose of GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 to the PWO so that PWO gets 2/3 of my daily peptide intake.



papapumpsd; said:
BTW, how tall are you Dat? Weight? BF%???

Thank you for asking.

I will say that normally I like to be around 10 to 9 percent bodyfat for life. If I want a more ripped look I get down to sub 8% but that is too difficult to hold for long periods.

When I bulk I will permit a rise up to 16%.

When I was dosed with sleep apnea several years ago I stopped caring much about muscle and got down to 188lbs on a 6'1" frame. That was an awesome weight for me because I still had most of my strength and could back pack & hike all day ...endless energy.

Now I am approaching 250lbs and it sure is fun but I have to sleep with a CPAP at this weight. When I am done and when I diet the fat off I'm going to decide what level of mass I want to carry for the rest of my life.

I have the EXACT narrow joints, broad shoulder, height as Steve Reeves. I am thinking that 215 with his largest proportions (i.e 18" calves, 18.5" arms, 18" neck, more sleek looking legs, narrow waist, wide delts, big chest) ...but maybe bigger traps...

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I still gain fat but the GH, insulin & test is in a sweet spot at the moment. When it gets in that spot you just add a couple of pounds of muscle tissue per week. When it slips out of that spot like when I kept everything the same but dropped to 700mcg of CJC growth is much slower.

I changed my dosing protocol for the better I think.

I still do the morning slin but moved that morning dose of GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 to the PWO so that PWO gets 2/3 of my daily peptide intake.





Thank you for asking.

I will say that normally I like to be around 10 to 9 percent bodyfat for life. If I want a more ripped look I get down to sub 8% but that is too difficult to hold for long periods.

When I bulk I will permit a rise up to 16%.

When I was dosed with sleep apnea several years ago I stopped caring much about muscle and got down to 188lbs on a 6'1" frame. That was an awesome weight for me because I still had most of my strength and could back pack & hike all day ...endless energy.

Now I am approaching 250lbs and it sure is fun but I have to sleep with a CPAP at this weight. When I am done and when I diet the fat off I'm going to decide what level of mass I want to carry for the rest of my life.

I have the EXACT narrow joints, broad shoulder, height as Steve Reeves. I am thinking that 215 with his largest proportions (i.e 18" calves, 18.5" arms, 18" neck, more sleek looking legs, narrow waist, wide delts, big chest) ...but maybe bigger traps...

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Reeves certainly has the phsique women are drawn to, vs. the IFBB look. The 3rd photo down of him (hands stretch high).....that's a great one. Definitely admirable!

CPAP....is that a breathing setup you wear to bed? Like a mask-type apparatus? What is the cause of your apnea?
 
Semi off-topic, sorry papa.....Dat, is your split and philosiphies in TUT outline?

Here is a thread I started on how I train. Invalid Link Removed

The last two studies in that thread on page 2 really touch on what I am talking about.

My split is:

Day 1: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Forearms,
Day 2: Back, Legs, Calves, Biceps


Example:

Chest
2-3 sets of Bench Press
2-3 sets of Dips
Shoulders
2 sets of standing BB Press behind the neck
2 sets of standing BB Press in front the neck
Triceps
3 sets of lean over the bar elbows flared pushdown
Forearms
3 sets behind back forearm curls

Total 16 sets went to technical failure on each, out of gym w/in an hour.

Day #2 - Back, Legs, etc. (number of sets might creep up to 18)

Day #3 - Same bodyparts as Day #1 but different exercises

Day #4 - Same bodyparts as Day #2 but different exercises

Day #5 - Same bodyparts as Day #1 but different exercises

If I feel great then Day #6 - Same bodyparts as Day #2 but different exercises

If tired then I take two days off and start the following week with Day #6.

NOTE: Insulin really helps w/ recovery (otherwise I'd have to back off a bit)
 
papapumpsd; said:
Reeves certainly has the phsique women are drawn to, vs. the IFBB look. The 3rd photo down of him (hands stretch high).....that's a great one. Definitely admirable!

I like the look. I'd have to give up some mass though...the toughest part would be the 31 inch waist. 33 inch is no problem....31 inch I don't know...

papapumpsd; said:
CPAP....is that a breathing setup you wear to bed? Like a mask-type apparatus? What is the cause of your apnea?

Yep thats it. Below 200lbs I can sleep w/o it.

The apnea is genetic but is exacerbated by a thicker neck and putting on more size which I guess is weight on the diaphram. Also using testosterone supposedly exacerbates it and the extra water as well.

I may look at surgery as an option. But for now the CPAP works perfectly.

How about you? What where do you want to take your body?
 
I like the look. I'd have to give up some mass though...the toughest part would be the 31 inch waist. 33 inch is no problem....31 inch I don't know...



Yep thats it. Below 200lbs I can sleep w/o it.

The apnea is genetic but is exacerbated by a thicker neck and putting on more size which I guess is weight on the diaphram. Also using testosterone supposedly exacerbates it and the extra water as well.

I may look at surgery as an option. But for now the CPAP works perfectly.

How about you? What where do you want to take your body?

Great to hear the CPAP is working for you but I'd assume it's a pain to wear at night so let's hope you can remedy it w/weight loss (mass loss if necessary) and/or a simple surgery!

Where do I want to take my body? Well, I think I'd look great at 200lbs @ 8%. I have a twin bro and he was at that level a while ago....looked very good. I'm NOT interested in crazy size....but a well above average muscularity with symmetry, fullness and vascularity. The vascularity is natural for me once I lean out. I also want to improve my cardio along the way. I just don't have very good stamina. I think that's important for overall well-being, IMO.

EDIT: Matt Dufresne has a physique I'd be very happy with!
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Matt Dufresne has a physique I'd be very happy with!

Yes he does. I like that he hasn't over-developed his pecs. Nice physique overall.

Getting back to your "achiness"... do you think it has anything to do with GH-induced edema?

I can't figure it out in my own body...one week the left foot swells up...the next week its fine...now both feet are swelled up and won't go down until I sleep and get my feet up off the floor.

My wrists and knuckles get a little sore as well. I have a general tightness everywhere.

I just try to ignore it and next week it will probably be better. That's probably true for you as well.

I'm going to try taking advil tonight and see if that helps.
 
Hey Rag, BP is alright. Was a ~130/80s today so took more H-berry. I don't think my BP has been too unruly lately. I'll keep you posted ;) Thanks for checkin' in!

Good to hear, Papa! Do you attribute the reduction primarily to the hawthorne berry, or do you think that ramping up the dosage of the peptides helped your body adjust?
 
Good to hear, Papa! Do you attribute the reduction primarily to the hawthorne berry, or do you think that ramping up the dosage of the peptides helped your body adjust?

Did you mean 'ramping down' the peptides? If so, yes, both Hawthorn berry and ramping down on peps. helps. I say 'ramping down' because I started high and have worked my way down.

Here is how I am currently dosing:
Morning (upon waking; empty stomach): 50mcg CJC-1295/150mcg GHRP-6
Evening (PWO or if no WO, then before bed): 100mcg CJC-1295/300mcg GHRP-6

After I get used to this, I will bump to 100CJC/300CJC AM/PM
Then, once I get used to this, I will bump to 100/300 3x ED (or possibly AM: 100/300, PM: 200/600).

I just try different dosing protcols until I find someting that work best for me (minimize headaches and BP) at that time.
 
Did you mean 'ramping down' the peptides? If so, yes, both Hawthorn berry and ramping down on peps. helps. I say 'ramping down' because I started high and have worked my way down.

Here is how I am currently dosing:
Morning (upon waking; empty stomach): 50mcg CJC-1295/150mcg GHRP-6
Evening (PWO or if no WO, then before bed): 100mcg CJC-1295/300mcg GHRP-6

After I get used to this, I will bump to 100CJC/300CJC AM/PM
Then, once I get used to this, I will bump to 100/300 3x ED (or possibly AM: 100/300, PM: 200/600).

I just try different dosing protcols until I find someting that work best for me (minimize headaches and BP) at that time.

Sorry, Papa. I thought you had started slowly ramping the dosages back up again. I'm really, really eager to see how your blood pressure reacts with this tiered approach.
 
Definitely an interesting post. I usually cant keep up, but glad to see logs put together nicely. Is the 2xdaily dosing better? Or is it just more convenient?
 
Definitely an interesting post. I usually cant keep up, but glad to see logs put together nicely. Is the 2xdaily dosing better? Or is it just more convenient?

Well, 2x is more convenient vs. 3x as I don't have to do the nooner shot at work (not a big deal really). I am trying it to see if my body better adjusts to the GH output through AM and PM shots. By giving it that afternoon "rest" from CJC/GHRP-6 I was thinking I might be able to avoid headaches and elevated BP. I'm still tinkering w/dosages right now. I feel pretty good so I may increase my AM dose to 100 CJC/300 GHRP.
 
Well, 2x is more convenient vs. 3x as I don't have to do the nooner shot at work (not a big deal really). I am trying it to see if my body better adjusts to the GH output through AM and PM shots. By giving it that afternoon "rest" from CJC/GHRP-6 I was thinking I might be able to avoid headaches and elevated BP. I'm still tinkering w/dosages right now. I feel pretty good so I may increase my AM dose to 100 CJC/300 GHRP.

Let us know how that increase goes. I am starting my peptides for the first-time next week, and hoping to set up a chart and log for then.
 
I was thinking about combination's... and seeing that I had to give one a try, I am going for L3r IGF-1 and Peg MGF. Any suggestions? I have read up quite a bit from many point of views, and have come to my own conclusions. Haha
 
I was thinking about combination's... and seeing that I had to give one a try, I am going for L3r IGF-1 and Peg MGF. Any suggestions? I have read up quite a bit from many point of views, and have come to my own conclusions. Haha

Any suggestions on what? Which peps to run? How to run them? Or?

I liked IGF-1lr3. That was a good 4 week run. You will see results from that much faster than GH-releasers. It all depends on what your goals are.

I'm running GHRP/CJC for the anti-againg and leaning effects. Also, lean mass gains are important for me as well, but I don't expect to blow up on GH.
 
Actually I am more into leaning out gaining lean mass. I guess the most important question while on my stack is should I keep my caloric intake above, at, or below my maintenance amount?
 
Actually I am more into leaning out gaining lean mass. I guess the most important question while on my stack is should I keep my caloric intake above, at, or below my maintenance amount?

You can eat a lot while using IGF-1. But macros are something you'll have to play with to see how you respond. I'd recommend a few hundred cals above maintenance to start. The PWO/post-inj. shake is numero uno and should be packed w/protein and carbs.

Feel free to throw in some mild cardio (inclined power-walking or even walking) a few times a week too. I did.
 
Okay... So if you guys get irritated, you can just ignore me . I am fairly well at nutrition planning and such, but I have a few questions related to peptide usage.

1) If I am injecting in the morning upon waking, can I take caffeine with some carnitine and go for a jog, and then have breakfast about 45 minutes after?

2) What about before bed administering? Am I allowed to inject and then have a protein shake? Or is it just better to sleep on an empty stomach?
 
Okay... So if you guys get irritated, you can just ignore me . I am fairly well at nutrition planning and such, but I have a few questions related to peptide usage.

1) If I am injecting in the morning upon waking, can I take caffeine with some carnitine and go for a jog, and then have breakfast about 45 minutes after?
YES

2) What about before bed administering? Am I allowed to inject and then have a protein shake? Or is it just better to sleep on an empty stomach?
Fine to inject, wait 15-30 min. then have a shake. I always eat before bed and I still feel the effects of GH. I can't seem to avoid eating after a shot.....GHRP-6 stimulates hunger and ya, I EAT. :)
 
11/06/2008 (Thursday)

Just a quick update. I still seem to have that lethargy in the gym. Lack of motivation and willingness to do hardcore workouts. I managed to get under the leg press and get a somewhat "ok" workout in.

I have been thinking; maybe I'm overtraining? Maybe I need a several days to a week off or, at a minimum, I should do girlie workouts for a week. Not sure, but maybe my CNS is taxed and it's just wreaking havoc on me.

I weighed in a 210 yesterday (ugh). A record weight for me. I will revise my diet to be lower in carbs (100g ED max.). I am also probably going to adjust my workouts to better suit this diet.

Headaches are still here, but they are much much milder and less frequent. BP has been good! If I chow down on H-berry, I tend to be all good. I dose H-berry ~3x ED now ~(2g AM/1-2g noon/2g PM).
 
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