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Does creatine actually contribute any significant growth?

What is your experience with creatine?

  • No real effect for me....

    Votes: 15 32.6%

  • Creatine is great, I see and notice a major effect

    Votes: 31 67.4%
  • Total voters
    46
  • Poll closed .
fresh08

fresh08

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Maybe an silly question, but does creatine actually contribute any significant growth? I have used creatine for years (6 weeks on, 1 week off, mostly capsules), but I have just done my first Epistane cycle with test boosters.

Does creatin help such a cycle and after such a cycle, or does creatine work, but relative little compared to stacks and prohormones??

I am slim build and go to the gym 3x per week. I take 1600 mg of creatine in the morning 30min before my workout with my breakfast. My aim is size. Doing a epistane cycle shows a significant effect, but creatine? Not really...

What are the experiences of other users? Am i doing something wrong?
 
fresh08 said:
Maybe an silly question, but does creatine actually contribute any significant growth? I have used creatine for years (6 weeks on, 1 week off, mostly capsules), but I have just done my first Epistane cycle with test boosters.

Does creatin help such a cycle and after such a cycle, or does creatine work, but relative little compared to stacks and prohormones??

I am slim build and go to the gym 3x per week. I take 1600 mg of creatine in the morning 30min before my workout with my breakfast. My aim is size. Doing a epistane cycle shows a significant effect, but creatine? Not really...

What are the experiences of other users? Am i doing something wrong?
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Creatine will simply cause your body to hold some water,could be 1lb could be 4lb,as soon as you stop taking the creatine you loose that water.Creatine is more usefull in pct than on cycle,it might help to retain some of the muscle you gained.
 
landfill said:
Creatine will simply cause your body to hold some water,could be 1lb could be 4lb,as soon as you stop taking the creatine you loose that water.Creatine is more usefull in pct than on cycle,it might help to retain some of the muscle you gained.
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bull ****ing ****

There are eleventy billion threads on creatine here, do a damn search. Suffice it to say, creatine is the most proven non-hormonal supplement in existence.
 
creatine itself does not directly contribute anything to muscle gains

it's does however help improve performance and will allow you to push some heavier weight, and bang out a couple extra reps... which of course over time will help with gaining muscle if your eating enough
 
Movin_weight said:
creatine itself does not directly contribute anything to muscle gains

it's does however help improve performance and will allow you to push some heavier weight, and bang out a couple extra reps... which of course over time will help with gaining muscle if your eating enough
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Poison,this post and mine answers the OP's question,yours doesn't.
 
Really?

Does creatin help such a cycle and after such a cycle, or does creatine work, but relative little compared to stacks and prohormones??
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Suffice it to say, creatine is the most proven non-hormonal supplement in existence.
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I'd say that's an answer.

There is evidence that the initial weight gain from creatine supplementation is from increased protein synthesis, not 'water retention'. I just saw the study recently.

No, I'm not going to find it for you; use your google-fu, the internet is chock full of creatine info.

Here's good basic info:

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jsp0785 said:
wow dude. sugar doing more good for u than creatine.:wtf: maybe i'll just start eating pounds of sugar a day.
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Eating high glycemic carbs at certain times can help with recovery and glycogen storage. If it's in the creatine mix, one would eat it before and/or after the workout. Diet manipulation can be very helpful and is usually more important than supplementation... But you already knew that. :)
 
I have read studies that it can increase lbm, and I have read about a million different studies that further the notion that creatine is one of the best things out there for recovery.

The biggest benefit that I notice from creatine is increased recovery, especially from lifting heavy, and explosive-type exercises- when I take creatine- I can rest and recover to a fuller extent, which allows me to train hard, day-in, and day-out...
 
Delita420 said:
Eating high glycemic carbs at certain times can help with recovery and glycogen storage. If it's in the creatine mix, one would eat it before and/or after the workout. Diet manipulation can be very helpful and is usually more important than supplementation... But you already knew that. :)
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i did already know that but saying sugar did better than creatine is just not smart
 
Okay just use creatine and cut your carb intake down to zero... We will see how beneficial creatine is in comparison to carbs.
 
Delita420 said:
Okay just use creatine and cut your carb intake down to zero... We will see how beneficial creatine is in comparison to carbs.
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I've been on CKD for about 10 weeks. I started creatine 3 weeks ago and my bench subsequently went from 205x8 reps to 215x8 reps , and I have gained 3.5 pounds as well..... with no change in diet during that period.

Creatine works, just leave it at that. It's science.
 
Delita420 said:
Okay just use creatine and cut your carb intake down to zero... We will see how beneficial creatine is in comparison to carbs.
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ok genius he said sugar not carbs. there are difference sources of carbs and sugar definately isn't one you should be taking a lot of. now if u have anything beneficial to add that's fine but changing the guys saying of taking in sugar was more benefiicial than creatine. then you turn it into cutting out all carbs and just taking creatine vs eating different carb sources. i'll do that and you eat sugar all day as your only carb source and we'll see what happens
 
Esox Express said:
I've been on CKD for about 10 weeks. I started creatine 3 weeks ago and my bench subsequently went from 205x8 reps to 215x8 reps , and I have gained 3.5 pounds as well..... with no change in diet during that period.

Creatine works, just leave it at that. It's science.
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You're up almost 4 pounds in less then a month on just creatine ??

Please share your secret. :)
 
jsp0785 said:
ok genius he said sugar not carbs. there are difference sources of carbs and sugar definately isn't one you should be taking a lot of. now if u have anything beneficial to add that's fine but changing the guys saying of taking in sugar was more benefiicial than creatine. then you turn it into cutting out all carbs and just taking creatine vs eating different carb sources. i'll do that and you eat sugar all day as your only carb source and we'll see what happens
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All I'm trying to say is that the sugar did more for me than the creatine. Is that so hard for everyone to accept??? Seriously, your diet means more than a supplement when it comes to recovery. Anyone who tells you otherwise should be learning about nutrition before taking supplements. Eating sugar at the correct times can increase recovery rate (along with a proper diet). Even without creatine, your body will respond well to spiked insulin levels post workout. Follow up that sugar with some protein and real carbs, you'll have yourself a nice post workout snack. Anyone who doesn't understand the importance of carbs and how the body reacts to different kinds of carbs (yes including sugar) can benefit on doing some reading.
 
eh, there are better products out there for the same price as creatine. i dont think its a significant factor in my workouts
 
AK32408 said:
You're up almost 4 pounds in less then a month on just creatine ??

Please share your secret. :)
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No secret, Jesus, this is common knowledge, and a well known phenomanon. You'd think creatine was some new supp you'd never heard of before.

FACT: most people gain 3-10lbs in the first 2-4 weeks of supplementation, depending on physiology and dosing protocol. Evidence is suggesting it is from increased protein synthesis.
 
Delita420 said:
All I'm trying to say is that the sugar did more for me than the creatine. Is that so hard for everyone to accept??? Seriously, your diet means more than a supplement when it comes to recovery. Anyone who tells you otherwise should be learning about nutrition before taking supplements. Eating sugar at the correct times can increase recovery rate (along with a proper diet). Even without creatine, your body will respond well to spiked insulin levels post workout. Follow up that sugar with some protein and real carbs, you'll have yourself a nice post workout snack. Anyone who doesn't understand the importance of carbs and how the body reacts to different kinds of carbs (yes including sugar) can benefit on doing some reading.
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there's also different kinds of sugar. and if you're working out you should be taking simple carbs any way, but creatine is going to help you above and beyond that. thats the point. the "sugar" didn't give you better results than sugar with creatine.
 
Creatine is amazing when used correctly. Bulk powders are the way to go.

Get a creatine that doesn't break down into creatinine- DiCreatine Malate or Creatine Ethyl Ester. 3-5g PreWo/3-5g Intra workout.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Creatine is amazing when used correctly. Bulk powders are the way to go.

Get a creatine that doesn't break down into creatinine- DiCreatine Malate or Creatine Ethyl Ester. 3-5g PreWo/3-5g Intra workout.
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i'm taking neovar now and love it. next will be cr-02
 
poison said:
bull ****ing ****

There are eleventy billion threads on creatine here, do a damn search. Suffice it to say, creatine is the most proven non-hormonal supplement in existence.
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Oooh. Somebody is having a bad temper here.

The fact that there are eleven billion threads on creatine does not mean its the most proven supplement, it could also mean its the most dubious supplement if it needs to much discussion.

I've done the research and I understand the physics behind it. I was just wondering if people actually NOTICE anything significant.
 
exactly right movin weight

creatine is a performance enhancer, in other words it delays the onset of fatigue in the muscle fibers allowing you to do more reps with more weight, taxing the fiberInvalid Link Removeds to the max. If you than feed the machine you will grow, but most of us don't give a **** about that, we just want to be animals in the gym and forget the importance of "feeding the machine"
 
fresh08 said:
Oooh. Somebody is having a bad temper here.

The fact that there are eleven billion threads on creatine does not mean its the most proven supplement, it could also mean its the most dubious supplement if it needs to much discussion.
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If you read even a couple of the threads, you'd learn that what exactly it DOES mean. But since you won't do your own research,,,
 
Irish Cannon said:
Those are probably the only two capped creatine products I would buy. Both solid companies with solid products. Cre-02 really intrigues me! I'll probably give it a try sometime.
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thank you sir...
 
fresh08 said:
Maybe an silly question, but does creatine actually contribute any significant growth? I have used creatine for years (6 weeks on, 1 week off, mostly capsules), but I have just done my first Epistane cycle with test boosters.

Does creatin help such a cycle and after such a cycle, or does creatine work, but relative little compared to stacks and prohormones??

I am slim build and go to the gym 3x per week. I take 1600 mg of creatine in the morning 30min before my workout with my breakfast. My aim is size. Doing a epistane cycle shows a significant effect, but creatine? Not really...

What are the experiences of other users? Am i doing something wrong?
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i'm no pro so i can't advise you , but to simplify what articles say:

When muscles contract and expand, ATP (muscular energy) gets used up in the body and is converted to ADP (something else).

When u take creatine, it's stored in the muscle's water so that when ATP becomes ADP, creatine donates a hydrogen-something something molecule and changes ADP back into ATP. Hence more muscular energy, and you can get couple more reps out of it.

Effects:
Muscles get volulmized i.e hold more water so they look a bit bigger.
More importantly , muscles have more energy due to that whole process.
 
i'm still waiting from a response from the guy who said there were better and cheaper alternatives out there.
 
I gotta agree with poison.. So many studies on creatine. I like to use creatine for a month or two, take a month or two off, then resume. Everytime I resume I gain weight and strength goes up.
 
jsp0785 said:
wow dude. sugar doing more good for u than creatine.:wtf: maybe i'll just start eating pounds of sugar a day.
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Believe it or not, there is some evidence that carbs can be just as effective as creatine in certain settings. Here's a recent abstract.

J Strength Cond Res. 2008 Jul;22(4):1081-6.Links
Comparison of creatine monohydrate and carbohydrate supplementation on repeated jump height performance.Koenig CA, Benardot D, Cody M, Thompson WR.
Division of Nutrition, College of Health and Human Sciences, Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia, USA. [email protected]

Creatine monohydrate (CrMH) supplementation aids the ability to maintain performance during repeated bouts of high-intensity exercise, including jump performance. However, carbohydrate supplementation may also provide similar benefits and is less expensive. This study compared the effects of an energy-free placebo, 2 different caloric concentrations of carbohydrate drinks, and a CrMH supplement on repeated jump heights. Sixty active males (mean age, 22 +/- 3.2 years) performed 2 sets of countermovement static jump height tests (10 jumps over 60 seconds) separated by 5 days to determine the differential effects of the placebo, carbohydrate, and CrMH on jump height sustainability over 10 jumps. Subjects were randomly assigned to groups (15 subjects per group) to receive daily doses (x5 days) of carbohydrate drinks containing 100 or 250 kilocalories (kcal), a 25-g CrMH supplement, or an energy-free placebo. After 5 days, the CrMH group experienced a significant weight gain (+1.52; +/-0.89 kg, p < 0.01), while the other groups did not. The 2 levels of carbohydrate and CrMH supplements were all significantly better at sustaining jump height than the energy-free placebo over the final 3-4 jumps. The 250-kcal carbohydrate-supplemented group experienced a level of benefit (p < 0.01) that was at least equal to that of the CrMH group (p < 0.05), suggesting that the higher dose of carbohydrate was as effective as CrMH in maintaining repeated bouts of high-intensity activity as measured by repeated static jumps. Given the equivalent performance improvement and the absence of weight gain, the carbohydrate supplementation could be considered the preferred option for weight-conscious power athletes involved in activities that require repeated- motion high-intensity activities.
 
There's countless studies on supplementation with creatine so say it is ineffective.

Irish Cannon said:
Get a creatine that doesn't break down into creatinine- DiCreatine Malate or Creatine Ethyl Ester. 3-5g PreWo/3-5g Intra workout.
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You'd be suprised, creatine ethyl ester actually degrades to creatinine at about a 20% higher ratio then that of creatine monohydrate. There also has been little studies done on CEE's effect on body composition, water distribution, etc. to conclude that is is better than monohydrate.

Besides the basic mechanism of creatine (enhancing PCr stores and faster ATP resynthesis and blah blah blah), it's effect on satellite cells are again, under discussed, but possibly the most beneficial way it helps with hypertrophy.

KM
 
Manchester said:
Believe it or not, there is some evidence that carbs can be just as effective as creatine in certain settings. Here's a recent abstract.

J Strength Cond Res. 2008 Jul;22(4):1081-6.Links
Comparison of creatine monohydrate and carbohydrate supplementation on repeated jump height performance.Koenig CA, Benardot D, Cody M, Thompson WR.
Division of Nutrition, College of Health and Human Sciences, Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia, USA. [email protected]

Creatine monohydrate (CrMH) supplementation aids the ability to maintain performance during repeated bouts of high-intensity exercise, including jump performance. However, carbohydrate supplementation may also provide similar benefits and is less expensive. This study compared the effects of an energy-free placebo, 2 different caloric concentrations of carbohydrate drinks, and a CrMH supplement on repeated jump heights. Sixty active males (mean age, 22 +/- 3.2 years) performed 2 sets of countermovement static jump height tests (10 jumps over 60 seconds) separated by 5 days to determine the differential effects of the placebo, carbohydrate, and CrMH on jump height sustainability over 10 jumps. Subjects were randomly assigned to groups (15 subjects per group) to receive daily doses (x5 days) of carbohydrate drinks containing 100 or 250 kilocalories (kcal), a 25-g CrMH supplement, or an energy-free placebo. After 5 days, the CrMH group experienced a significant weight gain (+1.52; +/-0.89 kg, p < 0.01), while the other groups did not. The 2 levels of carbohydrate and CrMH supplements were all significantly better at sustaining jump height than the energy-free placebo over the final 3-4 jumps. The 250-kcal carbohydrate-supplemented group experienced a level of benefit (p < 0.01) that was at least equal to that of the CrMH group (p < 0.05), suggesting that the higher dose of carbohydrate was as effective as CrMH in maintaining repeated bouts of high-intensity activity as measured by repeated static jumps. Given the equivalent performance improvement and the absence of weight gain, the carbohydrate supplementation could be considered the preferred option for weight-conscious power athletes involved in activities that require repeated- motion high-intensity activities.
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there's a difference between carbs. and sugar isn't going to give you more ATP production and force water into muscle tissue creating a more anabolic environment. of course everybody should know that taking simple carbs after workout enhances recovery. but the original guys said the sugar in the creatine did more for him than the creatine himself. and that wouldn't quite seem to make sense since he should have been taking some sort of simple carb post workout anyway before he was ever on the creatine with the "sugar" in it
 
not sure were to post this

hey guys
I have a friend who I was buying my bodybuilder.com suppliment through his site an I would like you to know how greedy they are!! He sold 10,000.00 dollars worth of there product in a month to people like us.. and they are not going to pay him his commission.. They say he did not advertise correctly. So they are not going to pay him..So I for one will not buy from there product!!!I will buy there competiters product..who's with me
 
Creatine def helps my strength, which to me equals more mass!!
 
steelhorse said:
not sure were to post this

hey guys
I have a friend who I was buying my bodybuilder.com suppliment through his site an I would like you to know how greedy they are!! He sold 10,000.00 dollars worth of there product in a month to people like us.. and they are not going to pay him his commission.. They say he did not advertise correctly. So they are not going to pay him..So I for one will not buy from there product!!!I will buy there competiters product..who's with me
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**crickets**
 
there is no reson not to use creatine unless you have kidney problems imo.

about the carb/sugar talk this would depend on the type of creatine you are using. mono needs insulin to enter muscle cells...sugar is the obvious choice to use post w/o to help create a higher spike and maximize the muscles ability to intake creatine (one reason celltech has 75g of sugar). ethyl ester on the other hand does not...this is why a lower dose is just as effective.

also mentioned ATP resynthesis and water retention which puts cells in a better anabolic enviroment and triggers protein synthesis.

with a good clean high protein diet there is no reason that you should not have net gain in a shorter time than without using it.
 
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