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Who else makes a 25-R Diol products like in MassFx

True I see what you're saying, and conversely, it seems like you're going out of your way to defend a product. Not being satisfied with a product doesn't mean I'm from a rival company, it means I'm not satisfied with the product.

I gave possibilities for why my cycle was not as productive as I'd liked, I also openly conceeded that I would change my diet and exercise program next time. Note though, that I said the 1kg was the muscle I was left with, not that I believe the other weight I put on was all fat. More accurately, I do not feel a PCT of Retain 2 alone was sufficient to keep muscle gains. Again, that comes back to me not making enough preparation and adding more products to my PCT arsenal. It also means, however, that I personally do not feel Retain 2 was up to the task.

I also fail to see how "Was it worth it? Nope." constitutes a strong post. I gave a personal opinion based on personal experience. In that post I made no generalised statements about the product, its effectiveness or 'truthfulness' in terms of advertising. If I had 'bad-mouthed' the product as you so eloquently implied, I too would label the post as 'strong'. From where I sit, it merely appears as an abundance of defensiveness on behalf of supporters of the product. Again, it's worth noting that the people who seemed to have any significant issue what what I said or how I said it, were those who are in some way obligated or obliged to defend AnabolicX (not that there was anything to defend again in the first place).
I elaborated substantially on the opinion I voiced in the first post and again, gave open consideration to my own flaws in training beyond any that may be inherent in the product itself.

I understand you have a vested interest in the product, and that one man's idea of a considerable amount of muscle gain will differ from another, thus making subjectivity a large factor in advertising and product promises. Beyond that, however, given you so kindly make recommendations to me, my recommendation to you would be to more carefully consider the manner in which you ride into battle waving the anabolicx flag above your head. As I said earlier, just because I wasn't satisfied with the product, doesn't mean I work for a competitor. It just means that I wasn't satisfied with the product.

Do I think everyone should boycott his product? Not at all. Just because it doesn't work for me, doesn't mean it wouldn't work for someone else. It doesn't even mean that it wouldn't work better now that I train and diet more effectively. My point, and I find it funny I've been asked or drawn into so much explanation over approximately five words, is that I did not find that the cycle, at that point in time, was worth it.

I hope my explanation was clear.

Thanks :)

Correction: I wanted to point out my cycle was 6-8 weeks, equating to a gain of around a kilo (2.2 pounds) per week.
 
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i agree with your last post sinner, but P-SLIN really didnt work for me lol.......................i know you werent referring to me, just though i would say i dont work for any company's lol
 
Don't get me wrong, if you work for or are affiliated with a company then I completely understand why you'd defend it etc.
What I do mind is the instant assumption that just because someone isn't happy with a product by said company, that it must because they're either working for a rival company or they've done something wrong so that they couldn't full take advantage of it.
Sometimes, just sometimes, it is the product that didn't work. Does that mean the product is rubbish? Of course not. It means it didn't work in that instance.
 
Relax. No one is trying to call you out. It's more of a term that's assimilated from the bodybuilding.com forums. People are notorious for doing it there. In fact, there have been lawsuits filed over forum member activity over at bb.com. You're cool, though. I can tell by you tone that you're quite new to the forums.

Tim and I work for Anabolic Xtreme. If you don't like our products, it's cool: more for me and Tim :D. (And Tim's a big guy, so he needs more to get the same mg/kg of bodymass). We do, however, try our best to ensure that our users have a good experience with our products. In the case someone doesn't have a good experience, we tend to start asking a bunch of questions. We're mostly looking to see if your diet, training, and dosing were done alright. Even if you have no aspirations to use our products in the future, we still feel we owe it to you to give you any advice on areas which could be improved for next time. Secondly, this provides us data because you can be sure of one thing: if it happens to you, it will happen to AT LEAST 12 other people.
 
i agree with your last post sinner, but P-SLIN really didnt work for me lol.......................i know you werent referring to me, just though i would say i dont work for any company's lol

Whatever, we all know you're an undercover for UPSLabs, a company who tries so hard to steal sales from USPLabs, that their name is just a dyslexic anagram of it. :hammer: :p

P-Slin is recommended as a pre-workout isn't it? Did you get hypoglycemic from it?

This thread has totally derailed from once talking about 25R-diol and related spirostanes.
 
Thanks for the response Sinner, I see where you're coming from. As I said, I get why you took the approach you did.
 
Don't get me wrong, if you work for or are affiliated with a company then I completely understand why you'd defend it etc.
What I do mind is the instant assumption that just because someone isn't happy with a product by said company, that it must because they're either working for a rival company or they've done something wrong so that they couldn't full take advantage of it.
Sometimes, just sometimes, it is the product that didn't work. Does that mean the product is rubbish? Of course not. It means it didn't work in that instance.

No worries, mate. I know what you are getting at and I understand it all. It was never my intention to come across as being rude at all. Sinner nailed it. We are here and all over the place doing whatever we can to help people with the cycles. I ask those questions as my own standard protocol to get more information about your cycle. Based on the tons that we have all helped before, they are the most commonly asked questions to "diagnose" what may have gone wrong. From your explanations, I can easily see points where things could have been changed during the cycle or even beforehand to insure that you had a better experience.

I think that the problem here is that some folks simply don't know that we are out there. Our website is on every package and piece of literature out there, but there are just those who do not notice or pay attention to it. AX has a VERY VERY strong online support team. We are all available nearly 24/7 to help with anything you need (except when we're asleep!). If you call AX, you'll get a real person, too. We make our presence known, often in force, to show that we are here for YOU. We're not trying to promote or diss anyone's experiences, and we do value all of the feedback that we get. We just hope to reach you, or that you reach us, before the end of your experience so that we can help you to make it a more positive one.

In the future, I hope that you do try the products again, or give another of our arsenal a try. Now that you know we are here, we will always be here for you. There's no end to the help that we will provide to you or anyone - no detail too small, and no question too silly. It's what we do, and we really do enjoy it! Before I was with AX, I was just like you. But I made my way to the forum, learned, experienced, and began to help. It culminated in where I am today - able to give back and stand alongside those who helped me. I'm proud of it, and am at your call whenever you need.

:cheers:
 
That is why you guys need to produce a solo 25R-diol product.

So that someone can clone it?


We'll get right on that one for ya... :trout: :nutkick:
 
There's a whole bunch of scientists who get like a rush or something from putting plants in various organic solvents, to let stuff leach out, then running the solvent through spectroscopy and chromatographs.

I think D might have looked at 6-ketodiosgenin, looked at the flaws it had, and sought simple structural modifications to bypass some of its downfalls.
 
There's a whole bunch of scientists who get like a rush or something from putting plants in various organic solvents, to let stuff leach out, then running the solvent through spectroscopy and chromatographs.
LOL- we are getting an FT-IR in the next few months- I guess I am one of those said scientists- I am really looking forward to seeing what I can find :)
 
There's a whole bunch of scientists who get like a rush or something from putting plants in various organic solvents, to let stuff leach out, then running the solvent through spectroscopy and chromatographs.

I think D might have looked at 6-ketodiosgenin, looked at the flaws it had, and sought simple structural modifications to bypass some of its downfalls.

thats y D is the man, and its why the product is soo unique and hard to find info on. its something brand new.
 
LOL- we are getting an FT-IR in the next few months- I guess I am one of those said scientists- I am really looking forward to seeing what I can find :)

IR's are nice. Really popular form of chemical indentification hardware. I hate reading them, though. Can't do it without a cheat sheet to show what peaks I'm looking for. Only one I have memorized is the carbonyl peak. About to be a crazy mad-scientist, you are. :D

Although it doesn't have much use in the supplement/pharmaceutical industry, you should definitely use an AA (Absorbance Analyzer) once in your life. It just kicks ass. It takes metal nitrates, lights them on fire, and measures their color absorbance. Probably the most fun-to-use piece of chemical analysis equipment there is.
 
thats y D is the man, and its why the product is soo unique and hard to find info on. its something brand new.

Not to mention an extremely nice guy! I consider him a friend, eventhough we've never met. :)
 
Not to mention an extremely nice guy! I consider him a friend, eventhough we've never met. :)

i hear ya man, hes always there when you need him, although he didnt answer my last PM :( so i guess thats the one case lol) every other time hes been more then helpful, but ye super nice and super smart
 
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