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USP Labs - Scam Company?

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If I could photoshop, I'd change 'shamwow' in that pic to 'usplabs', in the spirit of this thread.
 
Iron Lungz said:
I'm sure USP needs to hear the negatives as well as the positives... don't you think?
I wouldn't say, "Scam," though.
The same question can be raised to you, too, hardknock. Why even post in this thread? Why not just ignore it?
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Because I actually wanted to know why he posted it...there's a bit of a difference.

He did not ask "why does product xyz not work with subjects abc" He said, your products suck a$$ ...

I asked a question, then continued to post more rhetoric, honestly. I should have stopped at just the question alone.

If he had asked a question then I could have easily ignored that, or pointed him to someone who might give him solid advice, but since he made a claim, that to which can not be "proven", I felt a need to ask him why? and then break down my explanation for asking my question a bit further.

Also, I never told him to ignore this post, per say, but to just quit buying the product and do not post the "hate". Hey, if i buy 2 products from a company and they absolutely fail, completely, then Im not purchasing anything else from that company. This is why I do not purchase many supps as it is.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Oh, no need for PMs. May as well make it publicly available. Once you are done pointing out all my instances of bullshit, report your findings in this thread.

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Are there any studies about Prime's MOA or studies about Prime being more effective in terms of LBM over orals as claimed? Or are these claims purely anecdotal or from your "core testers"?
 
im pretty new here and def not trying to take sides or bash anyones product but i will give my experience on what ive tried and damb sure dont have any problems telling the truth.
this is my take on the usplabs supplements ive tried.
powerfull worked great did almost everything claimed,cissus worked very well to i dont know if it helps regrow tendons but it does take care of pain perserve muscle speed healing and it gives a cool pump if mega dosed,ap was kind of hit and miss,pslin was better than ap but still kind of hit and miss,TNA worked pretty well but ive used better natty test boosters. Yrd is a great stim feel it working instantly good product,and last but not least the almighty prime to put it nice so far it sucks balls tried three bottles and didnt notice a thing. there you have it my complete unbiased review. hope that helps some people.
 
Maybe im out of line here, but to my guess, and from past experience, nothing can be obtained from posting "this product sucks"

There's little anyone can draw from that in the way of figuring out what happened ... or to make suggestions on how to improve next time, if there is one.
 
poison said:
And if thermolife, or Applied Nutraceuticals (one of my favorite companies), did this, the result would be different?

That has nothing to do with USPLabs, and everything to do with human nature.
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agreed.

just for the record..there is a question mark in the title..so maybe he still has doubts? lol.
 
flightposite said:
im pretty new here and def not trying to take sides or bash anyones product but i will give my experience on what ive tried and damb sure dont have any problems telling the truth.
this is my take on the usplabs supplements ive tried.
powerfull worked great did almost everything claimed,cissus worked very well to i dont know if it helps regrow tendons but it does take care of pain perserve muscle speed healing and it gives a cool pump if mega dosed,ap was kind of hit and miss,pslin was better than ap but still kind of hit and miss,TNA worked pretty well but ive used better natty test boosters. Yrd is a great stim feel it working instantly good product,and last but not least the almighty prime to put it nice so far it sucks balls tried three bottles and didnt notice a thing. there you have it my complete unbiased review. hope that helps some people.
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how long have you been lifting and what supp (if any) so far has given you the best gains?

how muscle have you gained since you've started lifting?
 
poison said:
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The shamwow guy rocks, btw. The headset is a nice touch too.

people it's called advertising. every company does it every company exaggerates and you get the dumb ones who believe it and expepct to get the results the ad talks about. do u think 4 out 5 dentists really prefer crest toothpaste? do you really think by working at home you can make $10,000 a month? do you think the shamwow can soak up soda out from underneath your rug? try the product if u don't respond to it don't take it again. but a company like USP have board sponsors on here that are willing to help you every step of the way to make sure you're doing everything right. like mulletsoldier said he took product out of his pocket sent it to people and was going to do what he could to give that person help. i don't see any muscle tech reps on here doing that or even thermogarbage i mean life for that matter
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But I think Shamwow, Crest, or even work-from-home ads weren't the main idea of this paragraph, hehe.

Regardless, if I didn't respond to 3/4 of a company's products I wouldn't be buying anymore either. I mean, it would take some strange kind of faith to try 1, 2, 3, then 4 different supplements in multi-bottle quantities with zero results and keep going through the lineup. I'm disappointed for the OP, though and wish him better luck in his future supplementation. Thankfully, I've had some great luck with AP, Recreate, and have had quatifiable results carrying me through a plateau with Prime so far. Of many supplements I've not responded to I just log and move on.
 
I love usps labs products....But I JUST WITH THEIR REPS COULD ANSWER PMS AS FAST AS THEY RESPOND WHEN PEOPLE ARE HATING ON THEIR PRODUCTS...i have sent numerous pms needing help with some questions and never receive any response
 
this was the end to his 1st post after starting this thread

mdgrwl said:
I'm not posting anymore on this thread.
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he makes a serious claim but doesn't have the balls to answer any questions someone like myself has in regards to qualifing him as creditable.

is that a fair call?
 
ah... the controversy

any normal supplement company wants to make money.

Their products work, they are over-hyped and over-expensive.

Its not a scam, just people falling for crazy marketing, placebos effects an so on.

Ive personally only tried one usp labs products, supercissus, and its great, but i got it in bulk.

If all of usp labs products were in bulk it wouldnt be a scam.

Their whole scam is the marketing which is totally the consumers fault. i wasnt silly enough to try any of the other products.

Prime-Tribulus Aquaticus, something ive never heard of, maybe it works, for sure to expensive for what it does.

Powerfull-Basically is L-dopa for all intesive purposes with some "puresap"addition that i have no clue what that does.

Recreate- a decent fat loss product

Anabolic pump, two good insulin poteniators, i can see how this might work for some and not others, it depends on your genetics.

however, id really like to see what tribulus aquatcus is, i really want to know whats in it that does something, but of course thats top secret.
 
ndnguy85 said:
exactly.

he tried 3 different products. gave a detailed description of what he got out of it. this is a forum. where does it state you can only have good reviews?

i bet if usplabs put out some placebo pills and labeled it as prime..some of these "responders" would still claim they saw an effect. the power of the mind.
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Are you talking about the guy that started this thread? Where did he post "detailed" diets, weight regimen, lifting history, past supplement, or any other types of supporting supps he may have been using during the 3 products? If your talking about the op then I missed where he listed any aspect of the viable information.
 
well muscle gains are not really something i look at. im a collegiate wrestler and 200m and i try to stay in a certain weight class so i try to gain as little weight as possible. so i just focus on strength and power. of course even when you just train for strength you still gain some weight along with it in the form of new muscle. but my best core lifts look something like this full backsquat 405x2,benchpress 3051rm and max deadlift 475x3. ive been lifting for as long as i can remember im 23yro. as for whats given me the best gains supplement wise i honestly couldnt say ive used so many but i can say powerfull has helped along with bcaas,creatine and a good stim.:D
 
flightposite said:
well muscle gains are not really something i look at. im a collegiate wrestler and 200m and i try to stay in a certain weight class so i try to gain as little weight as possible. so i just focus on strength and power. of course even when you just train for strength you still gain some weight along with it in the form of new muscle. but my best core lifts look something like this full backsquat 405x2,benchpress 3051rm and max deadlift 475x3. ive been lifting for as long as i can remember im 23yro. as for whats given me the best gains supplement wise i honestly couldnt say ive used so many but i can say powerfull has helped along with bcaas,creatine and a good stim.:D
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cheers for the background info bro

o/p take note
 
flightposite said:
well muscle gains are not really something i look at. im a collegiate wrestler and 200m and i try to stay in a certain weight class so i try to gain as little weight as possible. so i just focus on strength and power. of course even when you just train for strength you still gain some weight along with it in the form of new muscle. but my best core lifts look something like this full backsquat 405x2,benchpress 3051rm and max deadlift 475x3. ive been lifting for as long as i can remember im 23yro. as for whats given me the best gains supplement wise i honestly couldnt say ive used so many but i can say powerfull has helped along with bcaas,creatine and a good stim.:D
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Yeah, basically, that's what could have been posted, along with what supps didn't work for the op ...

lol, you have been lifting so long you can't remember? lol, you are a young buck@23, how's that? kidding, but yeah, your a young guy, ginkgo for you
 
if USP'S products are so ****in' awesome/scientific, why don't they make them even more awesome/scientific by eliminating the possibility of "non-responders" so that a bunch of their customers stop feeling like they got took? surely they can do that. let me just state that i have yet to buy a single product from USP. and the reason is because their image right now is tainted. whether the muck is on them because of the customers or because of themselves, i ain't dicin' it. besides, won't anything give you results like ph's/aas. not near it. no repartitioning this, no test boosting that. steroids are THE repartitioning/test-giving (not boosting or freeing) agent.

i'm not saying everyone should hop on lifelong cycles, though. i'm saying that people should just give up on magic pills. stick with your basics: good multi, whey, bcaa, creatine/caffeine/arginine.
 
hardknock said:
Are you talking about the guy that started this thread? Where did he post "detailed" diets, weight regimen, lifting history, past supplement, or any other types of supporting supps he may have been using during the 3 products? If your talking about the op then I missed where he listed any aspect of the viable information.
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i meant he didnt go usp labs suck and go. how many of these positive reviews actually state all the above anyway? and how can someone see if prime caused that effect? have we followed the "responders" through couple of training cycles with and without the product? no.

so why the double standard when it comes to negative reviews and so accepting on the positive ones?
 
Actually, when recalling the Force of Green fiasco, I would have to say that USP is a scam company in some sense.
 
edwards said:
jesus! 6 bottles? why not buy 1 to try it then get more if it works?
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I mentioned the same in my earlier post... but to answer you second question... if he tries just one bottle and it does nothing for him he would be the next to start the next similar thread as this one.

I think its total BS needing 6 bottles for feel the effect of any supplement, you should feel it on the first bottle and if you do like it get more.

I tried recreate, its a simple fat loss supplement it did nothing for me... what? I'm i suppose to double my cardio to see any effect on this stuff? b/c if so i don't need to take this supp cardio alone will do it.

I have a bottle of AP sitting in my drawer for 2 months... I'm in no hurry to try it based on some (most) reviews i've seen on this board.

I'm sure there's been worst company reviews here but in this case he made the effort to outline 3 products and non of them worked for him.
 
wow
(said in that flavor flav type voice)

go millenium sports technoligies by the way,force of green!a very legit company
 
ndnguy85 said:
i meant he didnt go usp labs suck and go. how many of these positive reviews actually state all the above anyway? and how can someone see if prime caused that effect? have we followed the "responders" through couple of training cycles with and without the product? no.

so why the double standard when it comes to negative reviews and so accepting on the positive ones?
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my only beef for asking for some background on this o/p is because the post came across as very immature to the fact that this guy has his say, makes his accustations and then high tails it like a coward refusing to face up and answer any question one may have in regards to his review.

at least stand by your friggin claims! if you can't stand by what you say is fact then what is it worth?

there are a couple of products in his list that he says did nothing for him when i know they worked for me, so why not ask him about his background if he's going to make the call about "bunk" products that worked for me?

18 years lifting weights and i know what's placebo and what's not.

i'm not a usp defender or a knocker, i'm just a consumer looking for the best deal possible.
 
b unit said:
my only beef for asking for some background on this o/p is because the post came across as very immature to the fact that this guy has his say, makes his accustations and then high tails it like a coward refusing to face up and answer any question one may have in regards to his review.

at least stand by your friggin claims! if you can't stand by what you say is fact then what is it worth?

there are a couple of products in his list that he says did nothing for him when i know they worked for me, so why not ask him about his background if he's going to make the call about "bunk" products that worked for me?

18 years lifting weights and i know what's placebo and what's not.

i'm not a usp defender or a knocker, i'm just a consumer looking for the best deal possible.
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I donno, if PRIME was to replace gear I'd hope you know whether or not it's working. You don't have to eat or workout well to make gains on gear.
 
Kruger said:
Are you joking?
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Not in the least. I have several friends, some have taken orals and some pinned, who don't know much about anything and still made decent gains. Look in the steroids section, too. You'll see guys posting 8 pound gains from superdrol with zero idea about diet and training. I would consider 8 lbs a good gain.
 
I have tried a lot of USP labs products and most did not live up to the hype for me. They were still decent products, but I don't think I will buy them again except for maybe bulk powder. However, I will buy prime again because it actually is providing some very good results. I also have some focus dirt on the way.
 
Rugger said:
I donno, if PRIME was to replace gear I'd hope you know whether or not it's working. You don't have to eat or workout well to make gains on gear.
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dude, if you're going to hit the juice, you'd better make sure you got the best possible gains you could and that would include eating and training as best as possible.

otherwise what would be the point?

why load up on crappy sodium based diet to have your gains be water retention.
 
b unit said:
dude, if you're going to hit the juice, you'd better make sure you got the best possible gains you could and that would include eating and training as best as possible.

otherwise what would be the point?
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I never said I wouldn't; I meant some do. I was posting that in regard to your comment about placebo in 18 year olds and the claimed supremacy of Prime over orals.
 
Rugger said:
Not in the least. I have several friends, some have taken orals and some pinned, who don't know much about anything and still made decent gains. Look in the steroids section, too. You'll see guys posting 8 pound gains from superdrol with zero idea about diet and training. I would consider 8 lbs a good gain.
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You're not making "gains". You're holding water and glycogen.

The statement is wrong is so many ways...
 
PowerFull is probably my favorite sup. Love everything about it except the price, but is affordable when its available as a bulk powder. And Cissus has helped me heal from several injuries. And the new powders (like 1-carboxy) are great. Focus Dirt is showing some real potential.

Just showin some love to USP!
 
ndnguy85 said:
i meant he didnt go usp labs suck and go. how many of these positive reviews actually state all the above anyway? and how can someone see if prime caused that effect? have we followed the "responders" through couple of training cycles with and without the product? no.

so why the double standard when it comes to negative reviews and so accepting on the positive ones?
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He basically said "sucked" and jetted.

Usually, we have followed a few people through their journey, yes. Most of the reviews do state the back ground, at least some of the background is stated, even if it is the basics. The Op really said nothing but he tried some product and was fed up with no response from any product....

When someone starts a log, the usual is to request background training and dieting, whether or not it's sponsored.

To address the last portion of your statement. Go and check out the supp section, there are many logs being ran for PRIME right now. I, myself, am running it and I have laid off for 22 days from lifting. I've been lifting for 10 yrs and I definitely know whenever i lay off that I have a terrible time getting "back" regardless of muscle memory, diet, lifting scheme, etc.

So, if I am dosing PRIME, and I come back with much less effort than the previous 6-8 times(over 10 yrs) which I have missed a month of lifting then I can safely say that it does work. This is especially the case since one of the last two times I missed a month was when I was in my 20's.

So, if in my early 20's my recovery after a month or 5 week layoff was here (terrible), and if now in my 30's, my recovery after a 5 week layoff is there(very tolerable), then that does give me some implication that PRIME has assisted me in some type of gains, irregardless of minimal or maximum. The fact that i have DTH in the mix does screw things somewhat, but back then I had x product with z product in the mix and never a great comeback until weeks, and weeks, back into lifting.
 
Rugger said:
I never said I wouldn't; I meant some do. I was posting that in regard to your comment about placebo in 18 year olds and the claimed supremacy of Prime over orals.
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when i said "18 years lifting weights" i was referring to me lifting weights for 18 years so i know what placebo is, i didn't mean 18 year olds lifting weights lol

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hardknock said:
He basically said "sucked" and jetted.

Usually, we have followed a few people through their journey, yes. Most of the reviews do state the back ground, at least some of the background is stated, even if it is the basics. The Op really said nothing but he tried some product and was fed up with no response from any product....

When someone starts a log, the usual is to request background training and dieting, whether or not it's sponsored.

To address the last portion of your statement. Go and check out the supp section, there are many logs being ran for PRIME right now. I, myself, am running it and I have laid off for 22 days from lifting. I've been lifting for 10 yrs and I definitely know whenever i lay off that I have a terrible time getting "back" regardless of muscle memory, diet, lifting scheme, etc.

So, if I am dosing PRIME, and I come back with much less effort than the previous 6-8 times(over 10 yrs) which I have missed a month of lifting then I can safely say that it does work. This is especially the case since one of the last two times I missed a month was when I was in my 20's.

So, if in my early 20's my recovery after a month or 5 week layoff was here (terrible), and if now in my 30's, my recovery after a 5 week layoff is there(very tolerable), then that does give me some implication that PRIME has assisted me in some type of gains, irregardless of minimal or maximum. The fact that i have DTH in the mix does screw things somewhat, but back then I had x product with z product in the mix and never a great comeback until weeks, and weeks, back into lifting.
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Hey Hardknock. How are you? Some of your post is a little confusing. I had to re-read it several times and still don't get it. Maybe it's me?
 
hardknock said:
He basically said "sucked" and jetted.

Usually, we have followed a few people through their journey, yes. Most of the reviews do state the back ground, at least some of the background is stated, even if it is the basics. The Op really said nothing but he tried some product and was fed up with no response from any product....

When someone starts a log, the usual is to request background training and dieting, whether or not it's sponsored.

To address the last portion of your statement. Go and check out the supp section, there are many logs being ran for PRIME right now. I, myself, am running it and I have laid off for 22 days from lifting. I've been lifting for 10 yrs and I definitely know whenever i lay off that I have a terrible time getting "back" regardless of muscle memory, diet, lifting scheme, etc.

So, if I am dosing PRIME, and I come back with much less effort than the previous 6-8 times(over 10 yrs) which I have missed a month of lifting then I can safely say that it does work. This is especially the case since one of the last two times I missed a month was when I was in my 20's.

So, if in my early 20's my recovery after a month or 5 week layoff was here (terrible), and if now in my 30's, my recovery after a 5 week layoff is there(very tolerable), then that does give me some implication that PRIME has assisted me in some type of gains, irregardless of minimal or maximum. The fact that i have DTH in the mix does screw things somewhat, but back then I had x product with z product in the mix and never a great comeback until weeks, and weeks, back into lifting.
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dude, the dth diesel test hardcore im sure is doing most of your improvements. Real people do logs for get diesel, not newbs,people invovled with the company, people who get free products to review, or people paid to post a review. conspiracy theory, yeah it sounds like one, but i bet most of the stuff i implied about usp labs is true.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Hey FOG, do you know if by chance that was published online as well? I'm curious to see the ad (for sh*ts and giggles).
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I'm not too sure... I haven't seen it online or heard of it being online. Planet Muscle is at bookstores and some convenience stores.
 
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