Will you go see "Religulous"?
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Hurleyboy05
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Nowhere nearby is playing it. Me r pissed!! :aargh:
Mulletsoldier
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I saw it last night; very, very pleased. It was entertaining and critical, without being obscenely (in the sense of excess, rather than morality) provocative - that is, it was everything a Michael Moore documentary is not: Balanced, entertaining, factual, and critical without pretension.
Tyler1
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You have to have faith if you don't belive in God...most statements like this can be turned right back around.
whiskers
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I may agree....but explain
dsade
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Now you have one opinion that I trust in this regard. I'll probably drag the wife to go see this.
/probably have to wait and rent it...grumble grumble.
grila jujitsu
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what r you talking about? i dont know anyone that thinks its chill to make fun of Christianity. by the way he is not making fun of religion, he is pointing out the inaccuracies of all faiths and how they hate the non-believers.
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GJJ
whiskers
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I had to try and find one in utah! haha
only one to my knowledge was playing it. Broadway Theater downtown
grila jujitsu
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Tyler1
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He says we hate non-believers in the film?
I heard him also call the USA, United Stupid America during an interview.
Tyler1
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You have to have faith there is no God...you don't know for sure.
Just like I have faith there is a God, I can't prove it to anybody, they have to experience it in their lives.
I used to flip flop back and forth...how was it created, why, how come there is thingd in the Old Test. that make no sense to me,,,etc ( the same stuf we all look at). But I kept searching and now I just know, it makes sense to me, I can;t explain everything and the human mind can't, we are creatures of creation and feel the need to explain everything in terms of creation.
One thing that really changed for me, when I gave my life to the Lord, I felt like I took a breath inside my chest that I'd been holding for a long time...it also fell like something broke in there also, it hard to explain, but it did, and now I just know.
grila jujitsu
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let me clarify; he is talking of how there is a common dislike for people who don not believe in religion/god/organized religion. Also, he says in many words that the religions battle one another.
Well, i knd of agree with him. to tell you the truth i feel that we are a culture in decline and that for the most part the people of the united states are uneducated, ignorant, or to stubborn to actually use their brains. I mean Bush was voted in the second time! that should be enough evidence.
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GJJ
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You can't ask him or anyone to prove a negative, YOU have to prove the positive, that god does exist.
I have a real pink dinosaur in my room, he killed 5 people for fun and 5 for food, he can also fly and do math, he also created Santa Claus.
You can't say he doesn't exist, you don't know for sure, if you say he doesn't exist, or even deny the possibility that he might, then the same applies to your pink dino(god) see how ridiculous this can get?
somewhatgifted
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You were given a gun? jk. hey c'mon you called me a fluffer.
dsade
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You're a fluffer? That sucks.
Necroticism
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i personally was raised jewish but my beliefs are agnostic in nature, because i simply dont know. i am looking forward to seeing this, waiting for it to be on the internet, and if i find i like it like i think i will, i will buy it when its on dvd.
dsade
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There is no hate in wishing non-believers a one way trip to hell.
whiskers
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lulz
grila jujitsu
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grila jujitsu
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Irish Cannon
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I don't know any true Christians that enjoy, or as you say, wish seeing people perish for eternity.
whiskers
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Irish, have you ever met a Christian?
Now, they say this without putting much thought into it, and of course they dont actually see the person suffering (and never will because hell is not a real place), but they'll freely hand out these sentences to anyone who challenges their beliefs.
I love being told "you'll see when you're in hell" haha. Like I should be scared away from thinking.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
~Thomas Jefferson
Irish Cannon
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Irish, have you ever met a Christian?
Now, they say this without putting much thought into it, and of course they dont actually see the person suffering (and never will because hell is not a real place), but they'll freely hand out these sentences to anyone who challenges their beliefs.
I love being told "you'll see when you're in hell" haha. Like I should be scared away from thinking.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
~Thomas Jefferson
What would be the point of Christianity without salvation? The whole point of being "saved" is to be free from Hell. I say again, I don't know any TRUE Christian that wishes that upon people. Telling someone that without the salvation of Christ, you will end up in Hell, does not mean they are wishing it upon the person. If they wanted them to go to Hell, why would they ofter the truth of salvation? It would rather be in their interest not to say anything, but then, they wouldn't be a true Christian. They are more-so practicing hate.
Tyler1
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Irish, have you ever met a Christian?
Now, they say this without putting much thought into it, and of course they dont actually see the person suffering (and never will because hell is not a real place), but they'll freely hand out these sentences to anyone who challenges their beliefs.
I love being told "you'll see when you're in hell" haha. Like I should be scared away from thinking.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
~Thomas Jefferson
I sais this before, the Christians I know wouldn't feely hand this out.
Tyler1
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By slave, I'd guess you mean people that follow god's teachings.
I didn't and I probably won't, I've worked through all the neg.'s of my religion, and don't think he is going to provide an insight into my walk with God.
How about this? Every thing he said or pointed out about Chrisitan faith that you think eill change my beliefs let me know, we can give our thoughts on it.
Omen
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Let me explain something to you.
God is your master, not your friend.
You are it's slave, not it's friend.
Just like "god told Abraham" to murder his own son and according to the myth he intended to do it but at the last time sent an angel.....if god tells you to suck my c*ck you better be down on your knees with your mouth open already....and hope in the very last second, that you are magically replaced with the deep throat queen, heather.
Remember, you're nothing but a slave, whatever you are told to do by god, you do it, period, you can only choose within that context.
If you were a forced slave, I might feel bad for you, I might even help you if I felt like it, assuming you wanted to break free, but slaves like your kind, baffle me, not anymore, but you used to, you willingly choose to become a slave and submit to your master which you've never seen(god), you need a master, you cannot live without it, you need to be a slave to survive, just like you are now.
Of course, you'll deny this, say you chose it with your free will, lol, which I just said you did, but you chose slavery, slavery has become part of you, part of your identity, that you're willing to fight for it, willing to die for it.
By all means, keep doing what you're doing, an enslaved domesticated docile society is great for those who are not.
Disobedience will be met with punishment. :whip:
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Irish Cannon
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God telling Abraham to kill his son was simply foreshadowing the event, and showing the strength of, God's sacrifice of his son, Jesus.
I'm sorry that you feel that God isn't my friend. The Word has offered me better advice in tough situations than any person ever could. It's the ultimate guidebook. My "slavery" as you call it, is my freedom.
There is a difference between slavery and truth that you don't seem to grasp. I don't do something simply because I'm told to, I do it because I know it's the right way. I have the freedom, and have on many occasions, chosen the wrong way. If it was in fact slavery, I wouldn't have had the option.
I really think you are missing some of the most fundamental and basic principles of Christianity.
I'm sorry that you feel that God isn't my friend. The Word has offered me better advice in tough situations than any person ever could. It's the ultimate guidebook. My "slavery" as you call it, is my freedom.
There is a difference between slavery and truth that you don't seem to grasp. I don't do something simply because I'm told to, I do it because I know it's the right way. I have the freedom, and have on many occasions, chosen the wrong way. If it was in fact slavery, I wouldn't have had the option.
I really think you are missing some of the most fundamental and basic principles of Christianity.
Omen
Banned
Strength? That's stupidity, why sacrifice anything? for my all man kind's sins, right? If jesus did in fact live and die, he's a retard, what example does that set when he dies for sins instead of people being responsible for what they do? would you kill your own son, for "god" if asked you to? would you kill yourself, in the name of god, if he asked you to?
I might not be able to tell the future, but damn, I make good predictions!!
Keep loving your master and embracing your slavery, it's all you know, without it, you are nothing, without slavery you are weak, a non entity, you only exist and live through the master, you have no free will outside of that specified by the master, what your master says, you better be doing it, good slaves will be rewarded with more work.
No no no, you DO what YOU'RE TOLD, if you don't YOU WILL BE PUNISHED, you KNOW that.
Don't kid yourself slave, god says kill your son, you better kill him now or suffer the wrath of god, whatever your master tells you is right, no matter how absurd it might seem or if it goes against logic, what YOUR MASTER says YOU KNOW is RIGHT. Good slaves will be rewarded with the opportunity to sacrifice themselves for their masters.
You are a good slave, you went against your master as you admitted and then you came back to it and continued being a good slave, very good, your master is proud of you, you are a loyal slave, your loyalty will be rewarded.
Your master has kept your slave occupation for you while you were gone and I see, you have fully accepted it, YET AGAIN.
Oh, I am most definitely not, I am very aware of the most fundamental basic principles of Christianity, I simply say them in their most honest ways, have zero respect for them and completely refuse them.
I am a FREE MAN, NOT a slave, I will NEVER bow down or worship ANYONE.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last preist." Denis Diderot
dsade
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I have a question in all seriousness. Abraham is lauded in the Bible for his faith and obedience/willingness to kill his son on orders from god.
So I'm sure you all have no problems with Susan Smith, who killed her own children because "god told her to", right?
I mean, one is a holy prophet, and the other a psycho? What's the qualitative difference? And what faculty do you then use (if not reason) to decide which is which?
So I'm sure you all have no problems with Susan Smith, who killed her own children because "god told her to", right?
I mean, one is a holy prophet, and the other a psycho? What's the qualitative difference? And what faculty do you then use (if not reason) to decide which is which?
dsade
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Speaking of slavery, can someone cite book, chapter, and verse where "The Word", which is the perfect and ultimate guide to morality, speaks of slavery being reprehensible and an evil, immoral practice.
I mean, something of THAT importance should be at least in the top 10 commandments, right?
whiskers
Banned
haha that was in Religulous.
Why isnt rape, torture, slavery, etc in the ten commandments?
(Were they in the egyptian book of the dead? you know, the book all of the ten commandments were stolen from
) ...just curious"I'm not a slave to a God that doesnt exist!"
Marilyn Manson
"Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
Bertrand Russle?
Moses is a special case of plagarism. He's a rip off from Sargon, Hermes (Thrice Greatest Hermes), Minos, Meses, and a few others that escape me atm.
If the old testament were the word of (a) God. I would never want to meet that god
somewhatgifted
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Whats the odds GOD, assuming there is in fact some sort of undeniable deity power or creator, would approve of the Bible or any other religious texts?
People wrote the bible, allegedly based upon the word and teachings, people edit, alter, add and omit as they see fit the content and context of said text. Use your head think for yourself in all cases.
People wrote the bible, allegedly based upon the word and teachings, people edit, alter, add and omit as they see fit the content and context of said text. Use your head think for yourself in all cases.
whiskers
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I say I'm atheist because most agnostics are just unsure Christians, that i wish to disassociate myself with.
I'm not against the possibility of some creator (of course of a deist type), but I cant see any religion that has any potential for truth in it.
I would say I'm an agnostic atheist..... Never want to be closed to an idea. but question everything or believe anything
I'm not against the possibility of some creator (of course of a deist type), but I cant see any religion that has any potential for truth in it.
I would say I'm an agnostic atheist..... Never want to be closed to an idea. but question everything or believe anything
Necroticism
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that is exactly how i believe, which reminds me of a good quote..
"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Irish Cannon
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Omen, you are really into this whole slave thing, aren't you?
I'm guessing you don't believe that there are any moral absolutes. If that is so, to you there is no right and wrong. There is only what you do and don't do. Yet to you, slavery, in this case Christianity, is wrong. You're already contradicting yourself.
To me, you're saying I do something because I'm told to do it, and if I don't, I will be punished; however, I believe that what the Bible says is in fact truth, and in terms of a guide, the correct and right and noble way of going about something. Again, I tell you, I do it because to me, it is right, and I am in no way forced to do so. Even if I didn't believe in the afterlife; even if I didn't believe in Hell or eternal damnation, I couldn't deny that the Bible has very strong moral ground, and when it came to most moral issues, I have no doubt in my mind that I would side with it.
That's my final say. I'm unsubscribing from this thread. I won't be reading anything further. I have no reason to argue. Your stance is your stance. I honestly understand where many of you are coming from. I have had some of the same frustrations and questions.
I'm guessing you don't believe that there are any moral absolutes. If that is so, to you there is no right and wrong. There is only what you do and don't do. Yet to you, slavery, in this case Christianity, is wrong. You're already contradicting yourself.
To me, you're saying I do something because I'm told to do it, and if I don't, I will be punished; however, I believe that what the Bible says is in fact truth, and in terms of a guide, the correct and right and noble way of going about something. Again, I tell you, I do it because to me, it is right, and I am in no way forced to do so. Even if I didn't believe in the afterlife; even if I didn't believe in Hell or eternal damnation, I couldn't deny that the Bible has very strong moral ground, and when it came to most moral issues, I have no doubt in my mind that I would side with it.
That's my final say. I'm unsubscribing from this thread. I won't be reading anything further. I have no reason to argue. Your stance is your stance. I honestly understand where many of you are coming from. I have had some of the same frustrations and questions.
Omen
Banned
The good ole Christian BS, "You have no religion, you have no god, therefor, you cannot be a moral person".
For one, unlike you, I do not belong to a cult or any cult, that has in the past, under the name of good deeds, for god, murdered people who refuse to participate in your delusional cult, started wars based on an imaginary creature and killed millions of innocent people to prove that your good is loving and merciful, that is the first thing.
The second thing is, I do have morals, it's asinine to say that if I don't belong to your cult, then I have no morals, you are in no position to speak when you are a member of a criminal cult.
So since we covered that, again, I still hold position that slavery is wrong and you, are just another slave.
You say you're a slave because of your own "free will" that's an oxymoron, I view forced slaves as more rational without even meeting one, because a slave who willingly chooses to remain a slave, is void of any rationality and is beyond any means of help.
Tyler1
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Parts of that post are fricken disgusting.
I used to be a slave to sin, I found a way out, through the blood Jesus offered on the cross. I've never been this free in my life.
I'm a disciple, if that means slave to you, so be it.
I don't get bent out of shape of over the Old Testament, the new covanent destroyed the old.
I don't view Christianity as a set of rules, it's just following what I've found as the steps to inner strength and some serious peace.
Any person that commits an act against another person that is violent is not what Christianity is...not to say I wouldn'[t to defend myself and family, but I know that nothing good is going to come from it. If anybody hurt another person or people in the name of God isn't following the same God I know.
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dsade
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Someone hasn't read the Old Testament.
Necroticism
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Tyler1
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There is a big defference between old and new. I haven't read the old in a long time, just parts of it. And I don't follow the teachings found in the Old Testament.
The link section on the New Testament: Jesus did warn of not follwing his Word. He didn't say to kill your kids if they didn't obey their parents,LOL at that one. How about #495, whoooa that is terrible.
How many true Christians that you know would harm somebody in the name of God?
somewhatgifted
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buddy your a soldier arent you ? If not my bad.
whiskers
Banned
Not to rain on the parade, but you are not an official spokesperson for Christianity. You my only take the peaceful passages as you dish up, but there are violent ones.
I'd say when something as big as the crusades takes hold, it is the Official christian stance, at least for the time. I think if the Catholic Church still had power, the way it did, we'd still be in a mess.
"There was a time when everyone believed in God and the Church ruled... it was called the Dark Ages.
dsade
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WHoa...so you are saying that the bible is not the true word of god?
Remember, this is an infallible perfect being we are talking about - doing everything perfectly the very first time (no such thing as, say, repenting for flooding the world, etc.)
If the old testament is to be disgarded, how do you put any stake in any of it?
Necroticism
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the old testament still applies. it says so in the old and new testament..sooo...
Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Exodus 12:14, 17, 24
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Leviticus 23:14,21,31
It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.
Deuteronomy 4:8-9
What nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? ... teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God.
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Psalm 119:151-2
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Exodus 12:14, 17, 24
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Leviticus 23:14,21,31
It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.
Deuteronomy 4:8-9
What nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? ... teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God.
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Psalm 119:151-2
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
dsade
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But....that ruins my touchy-feely delusion.