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low sd cycle

ozarkaBRAND said:
What are your thoughts on a 2 weeker of SD at a low dose. Shouldn't trash the lipids as badly right?
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i got blood work today, and i will let you know when it comes back how it is, i have 9 day left on cycle if i do 30mg SD a day, which i will be doing.
30mg SD starts tomorrow
so ill keep yall updated!!!
 
Kristofer68SS said:
awesome
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and for the record 10/10/10 3 week superdrol cycle, i really dont know how much shut down will occur your body will be regulating itself for about 16-18 hours after your first dose, and every day for 3 weeks, you could probably do PCS at night, and recover very easily, with a 6oxo 6 bromo combo after the cycle,

but i havent seen to many people do blood work at all with a 10/10/10 cycle, and i havent seen much about dosing times, obviously taking the dose in the morning would be best for easier recovery, it employs similar but not exact views of pulsing.
 
crazyfool405 said:
and for the record 10/10/10 3 week superdrol cycle, i really dont know how much shut down will occur your body will be regulating itself for about 16-18 hours after your first dose, and every day for 3 weeks, you could probably do PCS at night, and recover very easily, with a 6oxo 6 bromo combo after the cycle,

but i havent seen to many people do blood work at all with a 10/10/10 cycle, and i havent seen much about dosing times, obviously taking the dose in the morning would be best for easier recovery, it employs similar but not exact views of pulsing.
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waiting.
 
crazyfool405 said:
i got blood work today, and i will let you know when it comes back how it is, i have 9 day left on cycle if i do 30mg SD a day, which i will be doing.
30mg SD starts tomorrow
so ill keep yall updated!!!
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Suweet... So this will be blood work for a 2 week cycle, or 2 weeks into a longer cycle?

edit: ah I see
 
definitely get a SERM...toremifene is one of the better products on the market. it is especially good at preventing gyno, and it is 10x more potent than nolva while at the same time being far less toxic
 
crazyfool405 said:
and for the record 10/10/10 3 week superdrol cycle, i really dont know how much shut down will occur your body will be regulating itself for about 16-18 hours after your first dose, and every day for 3 weeks, you could probably do PCS at night, and recover very easily, with a 6oxo 6 bromo combo after the cycle,

but i havent seen to many people do blood work at all with a 10/10/10 cycle, and i havent seen much about dosing times, obviously taking the dose in the morning would be best for easier recovery, it employs similar but not exact views of pulsing.
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Superdrol will shut anyone down significantly, regardless of the dose or when it's taken. Old school BB'ers many years ago tried running compounds mornings only to try and avoid shutdown, but they found out soon enough with bloodwork any harsh compound will shut down the HPTA to some extent where recovery on its own isn't sufficient.
 
crazyfool405 said:
on? lol
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The greek god Z to comment on your statement.

"and for the record 10/10/10 3 week superdrol cycle, i really dont know how much shut down will occur your body will be regulating itself for about 16-18 hours after your first dose, and every day for 3 weeks, you could probably do PCS at night, and recover very easily, with a 6oxo 6 bromo combo after the cycle,

but i havent seen to many people do blood work at all with a 10/10/10 cycle, and i havent seen much about dosing times, obviously taking the dose in the morning would be best for easier recovery, it employs similar but not exact views of pulsing."
 
See?

I izuh colege stewdent.

If the forum software only broke down post times in seconds.........

He edged me out, by less than a minute....... Im onto you Z............lol

or maybe its the other way around...........oh shite!!!!!............lol
 
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but the old school BBer didnt use something at night to aid recovery its like the pulsing princible with a few tweeaks i havent seen anyone do it,

ill have blood work soon so we will see how it goes
 
btw i cant find any journal article related to methasteron / methasterone as far as hpta damage. im still looking id love to see something clinical on it.
 
crazyfool405 said:
but the old school BBer didnt use something at night to aid recovery its like the pulsing princible with a few tweeaks i havent seen anyone do it,

ill have blood work soon so we will see how it goes
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Yeah because they were dumb and poor. Use what at night? C'mon man.
 
crazyfool405 said:
btw i cant find any journal article related to methasteron / methasterone as far as hpta damage. im still looking id love to see something clinical on it.
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Clinical studies on a hormone that's not approved for human consumption? At times I wonder where your posts come from...
 
Ziquor said:
Clinical studies on a hormone that's not approved for human consumption? At times I wonder where your posts come from...
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they have them on methyl trienolone (as far as liver toxicity and binding affinity), thought they may have studies on methasteron. or anything related to hpta damage.
 
Ziquor said:
Yeah because they were dumb and poor. Use what at night? C'mon man.
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pulsing incorperates some sore of test booster/ recovery aid at night something like PCS

thats why i said,
low dose early morning PCS at night for a 3 week cycle only 10mg per day of SD,

probably wouldnt need much more then a 6oxo with some 6 bromo PCT.

im never very thorough with a lot of things i say, my mind goes to fast and i just want to have it down and be done with it, ADD also doesnt help :fool2:
 
crazyfool405 said:
pulsing incorperates some sore of test booster/ recovery aid at night something like PCS

thats why i said,
low dose early morning PCS at night for a 3 week cycle only 10mg per day of SD,

probably wouldnt need much more then a 6oxo with some 6 bromo PCT.

im never very thorough with a lot of things i say, my mind goes to fast and i just want to have it down and be done with it, ADD also doesnt help :fool2:
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Pulsing was also largely created by a supplement company specialist who recommended running bottles of his other supplements on off days. There's no clinical science behind it - great marketing scheme though.
 
Ziquor said:
Pulsing was also largely created by a supplement company specialist who recommended running bottles of his other supplements on off days. There's no clinical science behind it - great marketing scheme though.
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yet people seem to enjoy it and get minimal shutdown, due to its workings.

but for sure when my blood work comes back, youll be the first to know how shut down i am if its that much at all

doesnt feel like i am.... then again, i never feel like im on, or any kind of rush really (maybe begininng placebo) so i am not 100 percent sure, but i wake up still fine , get spontanious erections, theres not a long refractory period inbetween orgasms. and i always want to have sex. so i dont know how good of an indicator that is.
 
ok i deided not to do the cycle. but i was thinking because of the ban coming up i might get some ph's and vacum seal them till im comfortable with to use them. havoc being one of them. should i do it or no?
 
Ziquor etc... yeah, i have a SERM, i have Nolva on hand, appart of reversitol.

Nolva + Reversitol + Animal Stack? Good choice?

I also have hawtorn berry, coq10, omega3 pills, zma, Lean Xtreme....taurine...etc
 
RealG said:
Ziquor etc... yeah, i have a SERM, i have Nolva on hand, appart of reversitol.

Nolva + Reversitol + Animal Stack? Good choice?

I also have hawtorn berry, coq10, omega3 pills, zma, Lean Xtreme....taurine...etc
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With Iforce Reversitol out now, it's confusing at times whether people are discussing that or Resveratrol. Sure, I'd dose the Nolva at 20/20/10/10 and run the Reversitol 1/1/2/2/2/1/1 - JMO
 
crazyfool405 said:
reversitol would be better 3/2/2/1

and can be ran with nolva and a test booster :)
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Maybe for I-force :o

That dose isn't necessary with the SERM IMO, plus the ramping up then back down would be much better to help avoid estrogen rebound. Fool - do you know what the individual doses are of the 6-Bromo and ATD? Label just says 124mg per capsule and this includes the 6-Bromo, ATD, and I3C combined.
 
Ziquor said:
Maybe for I-force :o

That dose isn't necessary with the SERM IMO, plus the ramping up then back down would be much better to help avoid estrogen rebound. Fool - do you know what the individual doses are of the 6-Bromo and ATD? Label just says 124mg per capsule and this includes the 6-Bromo, ATD, and I3C combined.
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i cant tell for sure :) only bc its proprietary, and you know how that goes, but youll be right to guess that its about

85mg I3C (close to 100mg)
30mg Bromo
10mg ATD

per cap just about.

just enough not to cause libido problems

but estradiol is what ****s the hypothalamus and the bromo will take care of that! and the ATD will give a great recovery.
 
crazyfool405 said:
i cant tell for sure :) only bc its proprietary, and you know how that goes, but youll be right to guess that its about

85mg I3C (close to 100mg)
30mg Bromo
10mg ATD

per cap just about.

just enough not to cause libido problems

but estradiol is what ****s the hypothalamus and the bromo will take care of that! and the ATD will give a great recovery.
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Nolva + Reversitol + Animal Stack good choice? :dance:
 
Z, why does it seem like all the non-methyl compounds are progestins?
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Z, why does it seem like all the non-methyl compounds are progestins?
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Not necessarily. The Max LMG clone is possibly the most popular progestin. Many progestins seem to have good oral bio-availability. The Dienolone (Tren X) compounds aren't necessarily progestins. The older, banned methylated version (Methyldienolone) is a progestin and had very strong binding affinity for the progesterone receptor. A form of Methyldienolone is actually used as birth control. But the un-methyl dienolone compound has very low binding affinity for the progesterone receptor and would be more likely considered an androgen.
 
Ziquor said:
Not necessarily. The Max LMG clone is possibly the most popular progestin. Many progestins seem to have good oral bio-availability. The Dienolone (Tren X) compounds aren't necessarily progestins. The older, banned methylated version (Methyldienolone) is a progestin and had very strong binding affinity for the progesterone receptor. A form of Methyldienolone is actually used as birth control. But the un-methyl dienolone compound has very low binding affinity for the progesterone receptor and would be more likely considered an androgen.
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i coulda sworn PA said that the 19nors WERE progestins?
 
That seemed to be all I have read about the tren and 13 ethyls
 
Pro-Dienolone (X-Tren) PH's are marketed as progestins and Tren precursor which is incorrect. PA agreed that this one (X-Tren) isn't a progestin but may posses some progestin sides like any 19-nor.
 
Ziquor said:
Pro-Dienolone (X-Tren) PH's are marketed as progestins and Tren precursor which is incorrect. PA agreed that this one (X-Tren) isn't a progestin but may posses some progestin sides like any 19-nor.
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gotcha, but adding the methyl group makes methyl dienolone a progestin?
 
crazyfool405 said:
gotcha, but adding the methyl group makes methyl dienolone a progestin?
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According to Bruce Kneller (and info he got from Vida) - Methyldienolone has a relative binding affinity (RBA) of 71 for the progesterone receptor and 64 for the androgen receptor compared to standards (100 for progesterone and testosterone respectively). The nonmethylated version (dienolone) has RBA's of 17 and 134 for the PR and AR respectively.

Obviously the methyl group changes everything - as with Boldenone and Methyl Boldenone (Dbol). Also PA feels that Epithio's are purely AAS as opposed to their non-methyl version which is an AI. Seems to be on par considering all the gents who got Epi related gyno.
 
So the non-methyl dienelone is low progestin and high androgenic. What does high andogenic receptor affinity produce as far as results and possible sides?
 
AZMIDLYF said:
So the non-methyl dienelone is low progestin and high androgenic. What does high andogenic receptor affinity produce as far as results and possible sides?
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It really depends on a combination of the binding affinity along with how much activity the compound has at the receptor as well. For example Masteron has an anabolic to androgenic ratio of about 62:25 but it has a very strong RBA to the androgen receptor, so its androgenic effects are a bit more potent than it's ratio would appear on paper.

With Dienolone (noted from Vida) the X-Tren(dione) compounds have an A:A of 100:10 - so even though it has strong binding to the receptor, it's actual activity there is minimal. Typically when something has very high binding affinty for a receptor site, it can block the action (or not allow, so to speak) of other compounds that have less of a RBA.

The 19-Nor diene dione PH's seem to have minor androgenic side effects, say maybe slightly more than H-Drol but nowhere near that of P-Plex.
 
havent heard alot about methyl xt. how toxic is it and i heard that its just good for strength, which is what im looking for.
 
musclekid17 said:
havent heard alot about methyl xt. how toxic is it and i heard that its just good for strength, which is what im looking for.
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Methyl XT is 17a methylated 1-AD. So it's a pro-steroid to M1T - toxicity would be right up there with the worst of them. It seems to give strength gains beyond any OTC hormone ever though from what I've seen. I've heard some people who had to intentionally back-off and lift lighter weight as their lifts went up so much they were afraid of an injury.
 
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