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LR/DCP/Recreate/ALCAR Cutting Stack

MattDaddy

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I just bought Leviathan Reloaded, DCP, ALCAR, and ReCreate. I want to do a 6 to 8 week cut with them utilizing each to compliment the other. I am on my third cycle of lipo 6x (one month on/one month off/etc) and it has worked well (along with ZigZag dieting) until now. I have hit a plateau with the Lipo 6X so I'm ditching it. I was thinking of mixing LR & ReCreate (1/1) at each recommended dosing time plus the ALCAR & DCP (1/1) mixed in as recommended by the label. This would give me an 8 week cut with the benefits of all four supps without overkill on the stims but heavy on the appetite suppression with a little mood enhancement thrown in.

Basic stats:
Height 6'
Weight 215# (down from 250 in january this year)
BF% 21 (down from 32% in january)

My plan is:
cardio 3x a week for 1 hour (treadmill, elyptical, and stair to mix things up)
weight training 5x a week for 30 min on cardio days and 1 hour on non cardio days
ZigZag diet
ON whey
mega man sport multi
weekends off

Any thoughts? :think:
 
You don't have to. You've purchased all very solid products, but don't take too much free-form ALCAR- I remember hearing that "a very high dose" was something like 7-8g. I might save Recreate for use after this stack or at a low dose with the stack, because you already have a stim and a forskolin-based product with Levi, but it looks like you've done your research and you already know that. I'm not familiar with the ZigZag diet, so I'm not going to critique the program you've set, but everything looks pretty good from here.

Good luck with the cut.
 
Here's a link for the ZigZag:

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I'm actually doing a less regimented version of this but the principle is the same.

My typical routine would be something like this Mon-Fri:

430am - 1 LR / 1 ReCreate / 1 dcp / 1 alcar (500mg) 20oz water
5am - protein shake (120 cal) / wholegrain toast (130 cal)/ hb egg (80 cal) / 2megaman multi
8am - low cal meal (usually no more that 350 cal)/ 20oz water
10am - 1 LR / 1R eCreate / 1 dcp / 1 alcar (500 mg) /20 oz water
11am - 30 min wieght lifting session / 32 oz poweraide zero
1130am - protein shake (120 cal) / pkg nuts (almonds/cashew/peanuts 330 cal) / finish off poweraide
230pm - 1 LR / 1 ReCreate / 1 dcp / 1 alcar (500 mg) /20 oz water
330pm - protein bar (300 cal +/-) / 20 oz water
630pm - low cal meal (usually no more than 500 cal)/ diet soda / low cal desert (100 cal or less)
9pm - 1 hour cardio (3x week) / 20 oz water
10pm - protein shake (120 cal) / 1 dcp / 1 alcar (500 mg)
1030 - bed

total calories = 2150 (resulting in a 500 cal daily deficit/ maintenance is 2750 cal)
water = 140oz = 17.5 cups = 1.09375 gallons
supp's = 3 x LR / 3 x ReCreate / 4 x dcp / 4 x alcar@500mg = 2g alcar
protein = roughly 1g per lb of bodyweight

weekends are freebies where the supps will stay the same but calories wil be betwen 2500 and 3000 to throw my metabolism out of whack and reset the zigzag cycle (again my maintenance caloric intake is around 2750), i know this modified zigzag works because it is what i have been using successfully since january. Also I wont be sedentary on the weekends but no gym time is planned, i have typical houshold chores to handle as well as two kids to and two dogs to play with.

now that I have had a chance to post more detail, any suggestions?
 
You're a trooper. Working out at 4:30 in the morning?- Goddamn.

I'd say the biggest priority for you would be dropping down the dosage of either LR/Recreate; I'll leave that up to you. Secondly, if I were you, I'd incorporate an egg protein shake (usually 3/4 scoop) in order to get a little more protein in your diet. Amazing amino profile, ~20-25g protein for 90% of the brands, and no fat and VERY few carbs (I'm talking maybe 2 grams.)
 
Wish I could say that was the case, but 4:30 is when I roll outta bed. I have to be at work by 6. I'm not even able to work out until 11am during my break.

Although I didn't break it down above, in addition to the protein shakes the 350 cal meals each have around 17g of protein per serving and the nuts have around 15g per serving. I tought 1g proteing per bodyweight was ideal?

Or are you suggesting I use the egg protein because of it's makeup - meaining it's be more effective for me on my cut?
 
Lean Xtreme and DCP would certainly be in any cutting stack I used, recreate looks promising and ALCAR is cheap and effective.

I would go keto with plenty of animal fats for a cut, but if that diet is working for you then stick with it.
 
I haven't done any research on lean extreme, the LR in my stack is Leviathan Reloaded (I just realized I didn't make that clear in the title of this thread!). All of the supps in my stack I have read (almost) nothing but good things about. My goal is to use about 1/2 the suggested service of each, with the exception of the Alcar (again I didn’t make it clear that it was Acetyl-L-Carnitine) at the suggested times so that I could stretch the stack for roughly 8 weeks and get the benefits of each. At the dosings I laid out I won’t exceed the daily recommended amount. The main thing I am concerned about is having too LOW of each, despite being stacked, at each serving to be enough to be effective.

Up until now I have been uisng plain L-Carnitine but read about Alcar on these forums and thought I'd try it since some of the other ingredients in my stack have properties like L-Carnitine.

I'd be fine doing an LeviathanReloaded/dcp stack then a ReCreate/Alcar star back to back, or ReCreate/dcp then LeviathanReloaded/Alcar, or vise versa of either combination. But for now I'm going to go with my original plan and see how it plays out, unless someone that has tried this before could tell me about their results.
 
MattDaddy said:
I haven't done any research on lean extreme, the LR in my stack is Leviathan Reloaded (I just realized I didn't make that clear in the title of this thread!). All of the supps in my stack I have read (almost) nothing but good things about. My goal is to use about 1/2 the suggested service of each, with the exception of the Alcar (again I didn’t make it clear that it was Acetyl-L-Carnitine) at the suggested times so that I could stretch the stack for roughly 8 weeks and get the benefits of each. At the dosings I laid out I won’t exceed the daily recommended amount. The main thing I am concerned about is having too LOW of each, despite being stacked, at each serving to be enough to be effective.

Up until now I have been uisng plain L-Carnitine but read about Alcar on these forums and thought I'd try it since some of the other ingredients in my stack have properties like L-Carnitine.

I'd be fine doing an LeviathanReloaded/dcp stack then a ReCreate/Alcar star back to back, or ReCreate/dcp then LeviathanReloaded/Alcar, or vise versa of either combination. But for now I'm going to go with my original plan and see how it plays out, unless someone that has tried this before could tell me about their results.
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O i c, I wasnt sure what LR stood for. I didnt like the original leviathan as it made me too jittery from the yohimbine, but I simply respond terribly to Y, so you'll likely have a better go with it. Regardless, lean xtreme would also be a good supp to look into. And if I recall correctly Recreate has stims in it, so dosing both Levi Reloaded and recreate daily may be a bit much for you to handle, depending on your tolerance to stimulants.
 
LatSpread said:
And if I recall correctly Recreate has stims in it, so dosing both Levi Reloaded and recreate daily may be a bit much for you to handle, depending on your tolerance to stimulants.
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they both do have stims in them which is why i'm going to split the difference between the two. 1 LR and 1 ReCreate together instead of 2 LR or 2 ReCreate per serving (taking 2 of both at the same time would ust be too much, that I agree). i've read on the forums that one has stronger stim effects but is weaker in the appetite suppresion while the other has a weaker stim effect but had really strong appetite suppression. The DCP seems to act like a super L-Carnitine type supp and since I'm mixing in the Alcar it should give me that mental "focus" for lack of a better description. I'm pretty good with handling stims. I've been taking Lipo 6x until just recently at full dose (2x2 a day) plus no-xplod at workouts without geting jittery or anxious. But the lipo just isn't doing it anymore.
 
MattDaddy said:
they both do have stims in them which is why i'm going to split the difference between the two. 1 LR and 1 ReCreate together instead of 2 LR or 2 ReCreate per serving (taking 2 of both at the same time would ust be too much, that I agree). i've read on the forums that one has stronger stim effects but is weaker in the appetite suppresion while the other has a weaker stim effect but had really strong appetite suppression. The DCP seems to act like a super L-Carnitine type supp and since I'm mixing in the Alcar it should give me that mental "focus" for lack of a better description. I'm pretty good with handling stims. I've been taking Lipo 6x until just recently at full dose (2x2 a day) plus no-xplod at workouts without geting jittery or anxious. But the lipo just isn't doing it anymore.
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well if you can handle lipo 6 and no xplode then you have a much higher stim tolerance then me, and likely will have no problems with your upcoming stack. With that said, it looks good, let us know how it works for you because it's clearly a well planned out stack.
 
MattDaddy said:
I just bought LR, DCP, ALCAR, and ReCreate.
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I think you'll enjoy the LR, DCP, and ALCAR stack, I've never done ReCreate.

I've resently stacked LR, DCP, and ALCAR(ALCAR has been a staple of mine for years) and had good results. I'm not sure how pronounced the effects of ALCAR is, but I had a small but noticeable increase in strength when I added the LR & DCP. My increased energy levels were really good. I've been off daily LR for a couple weeks and I still have the same energy and strength levels. Also, I've noticed a lot fewer (almost none at all) muscle cramps. I took the recommend doses for the LR and DCP.

My only compaint about LR is that I need to take the last dose around noon or I won't be able to get to sleep, but that's an issue with me regarding any stim. Also, I only lost about 3 lbs, but the increased energy and strength levels made up for it.

Right now, I'm taking LR on an "as needed" basis, like when I've had a poor nites sleep.

Good luck , let us know how things go.
 
I had a realization today that at the dosage I was planning to run, i would run out in a month since i'd be taking leviathan reloaded and recreate 3x a day at half dose. the bottles only have 90 pills, dunno why i thought i'd get 60 days :think:. Since the manufactureres of both recommend taking the supps in the am and then 6-8 hours later I'll have to rethink my dosing times. instead of each 3x a day I'll have to go with 2x a day and make it a 6 week cut instead of 8 weeks. but this only for the leviathan reloaded and recreate. the dcp has 180 caps and the alcar has 120 caps. so it looks like i'll have to do something more along the lines of :

430 am - 1 leviathan reloaded/ 1 recreate/ 1 dcp / 1 alcar
1030 am - 1 leviathan reloaded/ 1 recreate/ 1 dcp / 1 alcar
430 pm - 1 dcp / 1 alcar

everything else (diet/exercise) will remain the same.

looking forward to the results :bb3:

I start tomorrow:head:
 
MattDaddy said:
I had a realization today that at the dosage I was planning to run, i would run out in a month since i'd be taking leviathan reloaded and recreate 3x a day at half dose. the bottles only have 90 pills, dunno why i thought i'd get 60 days :think:. Since the manufactureres of both recommend taking the supps in the am and then 6-8 hours later I'll have to rethink my dosing times. instead of each 3x a day I'll have to go with 2x a day and make it a 6 week cut instead of 8 weeks. but this only for the leviathan reloaded and recreate. the dcp has 180 caps and the alcar has 120 caps. so it looks like i'll have to do something more along the lines of :

430 am - 1 leviathan reloaded/ 1 recreate/ 1 dcp / 1 alcar
1030 am - 1 leviathan reloaded/ 1 recreate/ 1 dcp / 1 alcar
430 pm - 1 dcp / 1 alcar

everything else (diet/exercise) will remain the same.

looking forward to the results :bb3:

I start tomorrow:head:
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according to that you would only be taking 3 dcp/day. most people have had best results at 9/day, but at least 6.
 
Well crap, if i do 6 a day (of dcp) then that leaves me with no choice but to do only a 4 week run. Unless i break down and buy more. well that was my whole purpose for starting this thread was to get advice. i was concerned about taking too little of one by splitting the dose with another. but since dcp has 180 caps per bottle i'll increase the amount. so I suppose l could increase the dcp to 6 per day. (that also means I can add in another dose of leviathan reloaded and reacreate maybe?). i guess i'm overcomplicating things by trying to balance the quantity and the quality.
 
MattDaddy said:
Well crap, if i do 6 a day (of dcp) then that leaves me with no choice but to do only a 4 week run. Unless i break down and buy more. well that was my whole purpose for starting this thread was to get advice. i was concerned about taking too little of one by splitting the dose with another. but since dcp has 180 caps per bottle i'll increase the amount. so I suppose l could increase the dcp to 6 per day. (that also means I can add in another dose of leviathan reloaded and reacreate maybe?). i guess i'm overcomplicating things by trying to balance the quantity and the quality.
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I'd recommend doing what LatSpread suggested and stick with what works for most people including taking 4-6 caps of Leviathin. Nutraplanet has a pretty good deal for a DCP/Leviathan stack going on right now.
 
Final decision on the dosing :

430am - 1 leviathan reloaded \ 1 recreate \ 2 dcp \ 1 alcar
1030am - 1 leviathan reloaded \ 1 recreate \2 dcp \ 1 alcar
430pm - 2 dcp \ 2 alcar\ 1 multivitamin/multimineral


This gives me a 30 day run while maintianing the concept I had behind the stack in the first place.

I tried it today (but with a late start in the day due to sleeping in) and it seems to be about what i expected.

Stim effects : in the am on an empty stomach they creeped up on me to a pre-jitters sensation. I felt a little "crampy" in the gut but once i drank a protein shake around 30 minutes after the first dose the stomach thing quickly went away. I had plent of energy and was actually concerned that i was going to be taking the second dose too soon (6 hours after the first) but i didn't feel that pre-jitters sensation again.

Appetite supression : i didn't feel any hunger until time was nearing for the second dose of the stack. I held off eating until 30 minutes after taking the second dose of the day. The appetite sppression from the second dose lasted until dinner time so again the timing seemed perfect.

Thermogenic effcts : wow, like a sleeping giant. I didn't feel anything much in this department initially. But I went to the local target and just walking aournd the store unleashed a flood of heat (and it was air conditioned in there) putting me into an allover sweat. since it is a holiday i didn't have access to my regular weight set at work, so i had to skip my 11 am workout but i'll make that up tonight. after the target trip I stayed hot all day and any activity more than sitting on my ass I broke out into a sweat. even this evening after the third dose (without lr & recreate) I am sitting here feeling amply heated. I'm sure once i start tossing the dumbells tonight i'll be pouring like mad!

Mental effects : hard to say here because alot of this could be "power of suggestion" type results. I felt good all day and could swear that i was feeling a bit ??"tingly"?? all over.

all in all i think this stack is balanced and after day one I am feeling confident I am getting sufficient results at the doseage I have set out. I'll run this for the thirty days and if I lke the results i may buy more to extend it to 60 days.

I am considering starting a log, anybody interested? if not i may do it anyway just for self edification.
 
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