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Why do people not reasearch their products?

lol... its basically just a means of marketing.. in my opinion at least.. my brother didnt want to take zmk, because it said anabolic on the label
 
DreamOfWeight said:
lol... its basically just a means of marketing.. in my opinion at least.. my brother didnt want to take zmk, because it said anabolic on the label
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Haha yeah, what is the deal with that. I take nothing even remotely dangerous or illegal, but I've learned not to talk about anything other than "protein" anywhere other than home or the gym. People are ignorant and quick to ask "You use steroids?!?!?!" as soon as they hear something they aren't familiar with. Idiots...

Even some guys in the gym are retarded about this. I rarely talk to anyone in the gym during my workout, but this one huge guy I talk to occaisionally was intrigued by the strong smell of my intra-workout drink. I told him hurriedly (man, excuse me i'm supersettin' here!) and out-of-breath that it was "creatine, amino acids, and a bit of beta-alanine. I just mix SizeOn and PurplE WrAAth in there to drink during my workouts". He looked at me like I was nuts, and I had to explain what creatine and amino acids are before his eyes got any bigger... He told me he heard me talking about Anabolic Pump to one of the trainers and thought I was juicing due to the rapid progress I'm making lol. The only reason I went into that detail was because at his size I could have sworn he was supplementing even just a little bit. Lesson learned omfg.

Well, our gym recently had a steroids scandal as one of the trainers was caught selling to officers in the parking lot.
 
One of my friends is super ignorant when it comes to working out. He actually took cell tech in high school and expected to grow without even working out...once!! (I know cell tech's benefits are countless and it IS a miracle supplement, but that's a stretch even for muscletech!!!) Now he won't do any free weight training and refuses to beleive it's more beneficial than machines and bowflexin' it. He's afraid if he uses free weight he'll "get too big". God I wish I had THAT problem lmao
 
Lets be honest... even people who have been lifting for a decades make poor supplement choices... i happen to do scientific athletic testing on many of GNC products and you would not believe how many experiments we run where no beneficial results are seen.


My advice to anyone who is been lifting for some time or who is a novice is to forget the supplements. Supplements should be used to supplement the diet, not become the diets main component. Eatting a balanced diet should keep your supplement count down and your money in your wallet.


The only supplements scientifically proven to work:
Protein: for convenice purposes (if meal cannot be readily
consumed)
Creatine: proven with no side affects
Caffine: stimulates nueromuscular communication
 
shortstop1616 said:
The only supplements scientifically proven to work:
Protein: for convenice purposes (if meal cannot be readily
consumed)
Creatine: proven with no side affects
Caffine: stimulates nueromuscular communication
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all due respect but creatine does have sides.

creatine can cause stomach bloat and gastrointestinal disturbances (excessive farting and liquid sh*t)
 
Well creatine is a protein and GI discomfort is common with many people who consume high protein diets not just associated with creatine. Farting and liquid poos can be considered side affect of high protein diets, therefore if it doesnt cause extreme intestinal pain I do not consider it a side affect.
 
b unit said:
all due respect but creatine does have sides.

creatine can cause stomach bloat and gastrointestinal disturbances (excessive farting and liquid sh*t)
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As well as causing water retention and in some this water retention can cause an elevation in BP.
 
This thread looked like a good place for me to post this.

I am new to this forum and must say so far it seems great. I have been to other bodybuilding/supp sites and was not impressed, as of now I think I’ll stick around.

Yet this place has confused the absolute hell out of me, I never knew about half of the supps listed here, and everyone on here seems real knowledgeable about what they put into their bodies. I am rather new to the sport, but everything is in check. I am looking into more advanced supplements, stuff beyond the whey, multivitamins etc.

However I do not want to just take something because the ad says it works, I want to know what I am putting into my body, and this includes the individual ingredients involved.

On that note, how do you guys seem to memorize and retain what does what, what side effects it has, etc.

Is there a website that consolidates supplement ingredients with a search function that allows me to put in the ingredient and it tells me all I need to know? (other then Google, but an actual site dedicated to just ingredient profiles)
 
atrain11b said:
This thread looked like a good place for me to post this.

I am new to this forum and must say so far it seems great. I have been to other bodybuilding/supp sites and was not impressed, as of now I think I’ll stick around.
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Glad you decided to stick around!:thumbsup:
Unfortunately, I'm not sure about a specific site that actually lists the ingredients that way, but I know that using google has worked well for me (although you mentioned that you wanted something different), or just search these forums, and some good information will come up; if it doesn't, then just ask! :head:
I'll try to take a look, for one of these sites later today or tomorrow, but I have to go buy suit cases now. :yawn:
 
atrain11b said:
On that note, how do you guys seem to memorize and retain what does what, what side effects it has, etc.
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Keep reading - you'll be surprised at just how much info you retain. There are millions (just a guess) of threads you could read for hours. There is no other site that is as powerful a resource as AM...Plain and simple!
 
While any reasonable person would agree that the smart consumer researches ingredients before buying products that contain them, I think people often go too far with the "serves'em right" rants. Sure, caveat emptor and all that, but faulting the customer for believing that products sold on reputable websites do what they say they will just fosters an environment in which the companies themselves get a free pass for their dishonest marketing. Why shouldn't we expect companies to cite valid research, or even to conduct their own? Consumers need to be smart because there are a lot of wolves out there, but, at the same time, supplement websites should do their part in denying products packaged with outrageous claims a place in their inventory.
 
DreamOfWeight said:
to be honest i dont think it has anything to do with being lazy or wanting a shortcut.... mabey a lack of self worth... when most ppl start off here they are kinda overwelmed with info. they dont think they can be as smart, or possibly take in as much knowledge as ppl with high reps here, who have years of experiance.... they think "there is no way i can learn the ins and outs of this sport... ill just ask someone to help me!... the same concept applys to customers who walk into gnc... they dont know what the hell is in the formula label, they think it is beyond their comprehension, so they ask the helpfull "know it all" employee for guidance...i will admite though sometimes a good kick in the as* is the best advice someone can give.. when i started on this website i will admit, i got my as* kicked... but that sparked a thirst for knowledge i have never felt before... I now have an urge for all types of knowledge, including the desire to go back to school! being a complete as*hole to someone who is asking a question is not the way to go.. but a gentle :gotsearch never hurt anyone..
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:toilet:
 
Nobody wants to work bro, they think that all these magic pills burn 13 lbs of fat in 2 weeks. and yes they ARE MAGIC, just ask muscletech. They have fairies sprinkling pixie dust all over their Gakic. Guess thats what makes it "Hardcore".

But Gakic does nothing without Leukic. Not enough pixie dust in Gakic alone.


I just lol'd at the stupidity of my comment right there, probably has to be the most idiotic thing i EVER wrote haha.
but honestly, no one wants to do their part of the work. All these stuff you see are supplements, they supplement what ever you are doing.

If you have a great diet for cutting down, supplements that are marketed as "fat burners" will help with the process of leaning out.
 
NeoNewfie said:
While any reasonable person would agree that the smart consumer researches ingredients before buying products that contain them, I think people often go too far with the "serves'em right" rants. Sure, caveat emptor and all that, but faulting the customer for believing that products sold on reputable websites do what they say they will just fosters an environment in which the companies themselves get a free pass for their dishonest marketing. Why shouldn't we expect companies to cite valid research, or even to conduct their own? Consumers need to be smart because there are a lot of wolves out there, but, at the same time, supplement websites should do their part in denying products packaged with outrageous claims a place in their inventory.
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in my opinion it takes dedication to actually learn about what supplements to take and what supp. are crap...

the average person is not interested enough to research different supps.... where as the average bodybuilder takes it to extreme and has a definate thirst for knowledge. therefore he/she studys in order to achive the desired boost.

and money is money, ppl got to make a living... id work for muscletech if they asked me! :)
 
Sure, money is money, capitalism is capitalism, and it's nice to believe that the free market polices itself. To some extent, this is true: simply by contributing to and reading discussions on forums such as this one, which invites people to post published or unpublished research and exchange anecdotes about different ingredients, we are proving that the market does in fact police itself. Interested in liquid creatine? A quick search will tell you why you shouldn't be. Interested in ecdysterones? This site will tell you it's only worth it if you can afford ten bottles a month. On the other hand, the market can certainly police itself even more without everybody growing great big Victorian beards and giving each other Marxist salutes. I'd like to see these websites, already powerful sources of information to help the young and uninformed consumer, simply not stock products from companies that misinform the public by linking their claims to studies that recommend three times the actives the product provides or whose results have been superseded by numerous, more recent studies. Then again, I dream big.
 
NeoNewfie said:
Sure, money is money, capitalism is capitalism, and it's nice to believe that the free market polices itself. To some extent, this is true: simply by contributing to and reading discussions on forums such as this one, which invites people to post published or unpublished research and exchange anecdotes about different ingredients, we are proving that the market does in fact police itself. Interested in liquid creatine? A quick search will tell you why you shouldn't be. Interested in ecdysterones? This site will tell you it's only worth it if you can afford ten bottles a month. On the other hand, the market can certainly police itself even more without everybody growing great big Victorian beards and giving each other Marxist salutes. I'd like to see these websites, already powerful sources of information to help the young and uninformed consumer, simply not stock products from companies that misinform the public by linking their claims to studies that recommend three times the actives the product provides or whose results have been superseded by numerous, more recent studies. Then again, I dream big.
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lol... ya i agree, in an ideal world that would be awsome. i have no argument :thumbsup:
 
Universal Rep said:
While there is that old adage, the more you learn, the less you know... Learning is only as good as the knowledge that's out there.
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i understand what u are saying 110%, but there is a difference between researching and actually doing research. a lab student compared to a scientist.....

that is such a hard quote to respond to :lol:
 
DreamOfWeight said:
i understand what u are saying 110%, but there is a difference between researching and actually doing research. a lab student compared to a scientist.....

that is such a hard quote to respond to :lol:
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It's why I threw it out there, to dazzle you with my footwork, hahaha...

I hear ya and don't get me wrong, I agree. Educating yourself and reading and learning are critical tools for any bodybuilder--for anyone, period. Still, it ain't easy... People often confuse the tools of knowledge with knowledge itself. And also, that education only gets you so far. In the end, you gotta put into practice what you've learned--your individual theories based on your knowledge base. Many are content simply to discuss the ideas without actually doin' the necessary work. Dig?
 
DreamOfWeight said:
therefore never becoming "scientists" lol....i feel ya.

soo when someone does acually put in the necessary work, do you considered that to be increasing knowledge?
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I was talkin' about lifters...

Anyways, depends... That popular line, Knowledge is Power. It has many important and very different meanings IMHO.
 
Looking into the products you intend to take is absolutely essential, otherwise you're wasting your time and money, as well as possibly hurting yourself
 
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