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Zero V said:
there is what you see....and what you don't see. Free masons bring curses upon themselves, and generational curses upon their families with the "vows" they take with each acquired level.

There is the basic free masons of which you meet who are simply the gentlemens club. Some of which may even be christian, catholic, muslim, so on. Then there is the core group of which only those willing to serve a darker nature are accepted into. They are indeed on the list of cults. Half their symbols resemble that of witchs.

Any time a goat head is used it represents Satan, its used in free masonry.

Or do you consider it all fun and fancy to consider goats blood kosher? Most freemasons dont know what they are into, and most never will save for those exceptionally skilled and useful and willing to serve a darker purpose.

The outer group is lied to about what the symbols mean, its just a cool code....to the inner group, the truth and knowledge from centuries of works is given into view. The fabled "Illuminati" are a branch of masonry if you will....

SO many of these things were warned against two thousand years ago, some even hundreds of years ago, and for most, if you have common sense you know a "secret society" only harbors darkness.... only evil needs to keep secrets, for is not the good for everyone?

"Anything not of the light, is darkness. Only darkness hides, for the light is visible by any who look into, and darnkess conceals what is inside."

Why does a murderer stay in the shadows? a thief in the closet? a rapist in the sewers? You wont find anything good in the shadows or sewers. The secret places of our landscape, what makes you think if you ever even had a chance to be accepted into the deeper clik of freemasonry that it would be something good? Shadows beget shadows, no light comes from a shadow, only darkness.

We just had a big lesson on cults & the "occult". Isn't it funny that a gentleman's club has monuments all over the world...their symbols on money... and every one you know it it says its a simple, light club for people. No power, nothing going on..... knights Templar if you do research have the same symbols as the free masons....and they were a dark group indeed, does not history show their evil deeds?

To each their own.....but in a world where my very country resembles Sodom & Gomorrah, if not worse, and I know anything that is not for the good of others, is against it. The truth shines like a negative beam of light through a white room....

When you know who shows up the world will be happy to give their trust into his hands and fall into the trap predicted oh so long ago... But as the prediction goes, most wont listen....
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again - i am just lost for words.

god bless young man. . .
 
Zero V said:
there is what you see....and what you don't see. Free masons bring curses upon themselves, and generational curses upon their families with the "vows" they take with each acquired level.

There is the basic free masons of which you meet who are simply the gentlemens club. Some of which may even be christian, catholic, muslim, so on. Then there is the core group of which only those willing to serve a darker nature are accepted into. They are indeed on the list of cults. Half their symbols resemble that of witchs.

Any time a goat head is used it represents Satan, its used in free masonry.

Or do you consider it all fun and fancy to consider goats blood kosher? Most freemasons dont know what they are into, and most never will save for those exceptionally skilled and useful and willing to serve a darker purpose.

The outer group is lied to about what the symbols mean, its just a cool code....to the inner group, the truth and knowledge from centuries of works is given into view. The fabled "Illuminati" are a branch of masonry if you will....

SO many of these things were warned against two thousand years ago, some even hundreds of years ago, and for most, if you have common sense you know a "secret society" only harbors darkness.... only evil needs to keep secrets, for is not the good for everyone?

"Anything not of the light, is darkness. Only darkness hides, for the light is visible by any who look into, and darnkess conceals what is inside."

Why does a murderer stay in the shadows? a thief in the closet? a rapist in the sewers? You wont find anything good in the shadows or sewers. The secret places of our landscape, what makes you think if you ever even had a chance to be accepted into the deeper clik of freemasonry that it would be something good? Shadows beget shadows, no light comes from a shadow, only darkness.

We just had a big lesson on cults & the "occult". Isn't it funny that a gentleman's club has monuments all over the world...their symbols on money... and every one you know it it says its a simple, light club for people. No power, nothing going on..... knights Templar if you do research have the same symbols as the free masons....and they were a dark group indeed, does not history show their evil deeds?

To each their own.....but in a world where my very country resembles Sodom & Gomorrah, if not worse, and I know anything that is not for the good of others, is against it. The truth shines like a negative beam of light through a white room....

When you know who shows up the world will be happy to give their trust into his hands and fall into the trap predicted oh so long ago... But as the prediction goes, most wont listen....
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And where did you learn all this?

What are these curses Freemasons bring on their families?

What is the darker nature they "vow" to? How can you confirm this?

Two main symbols of freemasonry include the all-knowing-eye and the compass & square -- are those considered witch symbols? Are you suggesting Freemasons are witches?

Which symbols are witch symbols and how are those used in a negative (witchlike) fashion? How do you know this?

At what point in Freemason tradition is a goat's head used? What is the purpose of using it? How do you know this?

The Illuminati (or one historical instance of a group called the Illuminati) were a very specific, geographically focused group who were involved in freemasonry. I have never seen any evidence to suggest the rest of the lodges were involved. Have you? i.e. -- Are all Muslims to be treated like Extremist Al-Queda or similar because one "branch" is found to be involved?

If you say the outer groups are lied to and can't figure it out what these symbols mean after multiple ceremonies, then how does someone such as yourself possess such knowledge?

I agree that evil keeps secrets, but you have to acknowledge that every organized religion, sect, cult, government, and for-profit (something to gain) organization has secrets. What are some of the Freemasons' secrets? How do you know this?

The Knights Templar, despite original intentions, got carried away with power just like the Hospitallers (and every other growing powerful religious group from the dawn of time). Freemasonry is not a religion -- Christianity is (Knights of St. John & Soldiers of Christ/Solomon).

In reference to the above, almost every legitimate symbol used by the Templars incorporates a Horse (their official seal) and/or a Cross (all other symbols I've ever seen in addition to their standard attire). What are the symbols used in Freemasonry that are also used by the Templar Knights?

White I don't agree with your ideology, I support your choice to faith. But, being a grandson of a 33rd Degree, I am very curious as to the credibility of the negative things you're saying about Freemasonry -- not that it could compare to the documented, indisputable atrocities committed by organized religions; Christianity being no exception with the number of Crusades and Inquisitions directly linked to the religion throughout history.
 
Zero V said:
Guess it should be my last too, and sorry myself.

So you prefer unorganized religion then? I don't believe in religion. But I do believe in gather together to support on another in your beliefs. You can blast science into pieces just as much as you can religion. Such as theories about how old the earth is, they are always called "facts". Manipulation of biblical texts are avoided by making sure they appear multiple times in the bible(so that nothing can contradict) and that it lines up with the will of God as well as using the scripture before and after said verse to make sure its being used properly. People who try that when I talk about the bible often quite down after they get a real explanation. Historical facts support the bible anyhow. But let us leave this be because talk about beliefs always go the same route. I am not more knowledgeable, but I study under people who are. Seen a preacher explain to a non believer how God can be everywhere at once, the guy shut up. And it was simple too. Problem with people is they think too much, when you think to much you question faith, when you question faith it dies when it dies you give up believing.



Psychics can sometimes tick off a spirit man. So I would be careful. I would recommend you avoid people who advertise themselves as psychics. I mean, they are technically claiming to be able to know and invade all things with ESP, really want someone who doesn't even know what kind of powers they are using trying to deal with a bewildered spirit? That's like asking a wiji board where your keys are....
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i think they quiet down because they realize they are dealing with a lunatic.
 
Red Dog said:
And where did you learn all this?

What are these curses Freemasons bring on their families?

What is the darker nature they "vow" to? How can you confirm this?

Two main symbols of freemasonry include the all-knowing-eye and the compass & square -- are those considered witch symbols? Are you suggesting Freemasons are witches?

Which symbols are witch symbols and how are those used in a negative (witchlike) fashion? How do you know this?

At what point in Freemason tradition is a goat's head used? What is the purpose of using it? How do you know this?

The Illuminati (or one historical instance of a group called the Illuminati) were a very specific, geographically focused group who were involved in freemasonry. I have never seen any evidence to suggest the rest of the lodges were involved. Have you? i.e. -- Are all Muslims to be treated like Extremist Al-Queda or similar because one "branch" is found to be involved?

If you say the outer groups are lied to and can't figure it out what these symbols mean after multiple ceremonies, then how does someone such as yourself possess such knowledge?

I agree that evil keeps secrets, but you have to acknowledge that every organized religion, sect, cult, government, and for-profit (something to gain) organization has secrets. What are some of the Freemasons' secrets? How do you know this?

The Knights Templar, despite original intentions, got carried away with power just like the Hospitallers (and every other growing powerful religious group from the dawn of time). Freemasonry is not a religion -- Christianity is (Knights of St. John & Soldiers of Christ/Solomon).

In reference to the above, almost every legitimate symbol used by the Templars incorporates a Horse (their official seal) and/or a Cross (all other symbols I've ever seen in addition to their standard attire). What are the symbols used in Freemasonry that are also used by the Templar Knights?

White I don't agree with your ideology, I support your choice to faith. But, being a grandson of a 33rd Degree, I am very curious as to the credibility of the negative things you're saying about Freemasonry -- not that it could compare to the documented, indisputable atrocities committed by organized religions; Christianity being no exception with the number of Crusades and Inquisitions directly linked to the religion throughout history.
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my grandpa was a 27th degree.... the degree dont matter, you can be a 33rd and still not be let into the inside circle if your not going to submit.

jeeze, actually do some research on freemasons and see what you find. There was a man, I will have to ask for his name again, who joined the internal freemasons. He eventually got out because he saw what it was. He wrote about it, and what it really was. I have to ask for his name, I can get it tommorow tho-

Look up Freemason symbols, there is alot more than the basics. The G in their main symbol is even religious, look up what it stands for. I will gather an organized collection to post. Just look around freemasonry a bit. Many of their symbols involve sexual incarnations and satanic embeddings.

Freemasonry is the best practiced sect of deception known to man. I mean, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist...this is in the same boat.

You really think a simple gentleman's club spans centuries and the entire world.....pretend your Sherlock for a second....does that make sense?

Free masons arent witches though.


and as for Agony......was not Christ considered a blaspheming madman? Was not most prophets martyred because they were not welcomed and were considered a threat? This is why its easy to simply ignore peoples comments. I mean "Gods people" crucified Jesus and hunted his followers. Its going to happen that those who take a stand against the enveloping darkness that is working its way perfectly into control will be talked down to, ignored, and called....a lunatic? By other Christians, its guaranteed. How much does anyone here even know about spiritual warfare(in a non insulting way, most Christians don't even understand it)? Who even believes that should a viper bite them, they shall not die because God promised.....or do you think, oh God, I need anti venom?

Does not the Bible say anything not of God, is against God? And didn't Christ say not to take oaths? Simple as that. Freemasonry is not of God, so..... and there is oath taking involved.... which look up what some of the oaths are.....

It is also said those lukewarm will be spat out, you are to be either cold, or hot, in a sense. As in you are for, or against.

did not our greatest inventions, developments come from those we scorned from the onset and ignored?

Like every one says, history repeats itself.

Just as in life there are players, and spectators, it applies to christianity.
You are either the peeps who walk into church a couple times a week, maybe even help one of the members with a bill and help build their float. And there are people who are going to go all out, and take on the enemy and join Gods army in full battle rattle with their rifle in hand. As in Gods armor and the Bible. I Know a dead child can be brought back to life, even a day later. I know a mans broken leg can heal in an instant, without surgery. You can call me a looney, but the mother of that child calls me friend, and the man who walks fine again calls me brother. And thats all that matters....( i havent done something that cool, yet, but I have seen close enough.). Christians have authority, but maybe 10% use it...

I mean, God promised....dont you think he would keep his promise?
 
motive said:
so my ghosts are free masons????
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lol no, I would say they are a manifestation though, that you have the God given authority to tell them to leave in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazarene.

You can say it nicely, then you can put force behind it. Ask a couple christian friends to anoint your house and rebuke it in the name of Christ. They would be glad to, but also make they know about spiritual warfare....

btw dont do this alone, and only do it if you believe upon him.

Depends if you wanna listen to the crazy guy :thumbsup:
 
motive said:
tried that.... had two preachers and my wife and i there... they still are around.
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Do they at least clean the place or pitch in otherwise? I had a girlfriend back in college, she claimed her parents had a house upstate with a ghost that would tidy up the place. Kind of an odd but nice convenience I thought, you know?
 
motive said:
tried that.... had two preachers and my wife and i there... they still are around.
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hmmm christian or catholic? what denomination? anointed with oil? was you the one placing the oil and saying the commands, preacher as backup?

Its your property, you have the right to command.

Ghosts....

Some people have spirit guides, there are guardian angels, but neither of them would perform the actions you so speak of....

Sounds almost like a poltergeist type of "ghost". It could be attached to something in your house. It could come from a posession.

When you annointed it did you open all the draws, close all the windows, open only 1 door leading out, and all doors in the house and close them behind you sealing it with an anointing as you went? They will literally run from the preacher, but doesnt mean they cant just go back where they were if they arent blocked. The buddy who did it with me had to do all the work, because I was being chocked by something that wasnt there.... we found it in the basment in the back room where it was dark and stuff. My friend almost passed out trying to chase it out of the house, it tried to move around and went up stairs we had to chase it. He almost fell down a few times. It was a sick presence..... you could feel it. I had to do the anointing and pray the blood of Jesus to protect myself, he was speaking in tongues. Finally we chased it out the door and then annointed the door behind us....

you felt a presencce lift, and the house felt so different. there was a peace. And it affected everyone, even my bro and parents, who dont attend church or worship....

Its not a preacher walks in walks around praying, splashes a lil oil and its done. Its more of an experience usually :) Find an Evangelist or Pentecostal preacher who is on fire for God. or maybe you have tried that. In which case the only way I could help would be to be in your house, and sense whats going on.

BTW has it always been at one house? or does it follow? If it follows you it could be from a curse you have to be delivered from, and that you must do yourself.

A memory can even harbor it. But also I would say you are "hypersensitive" which means you can feel and see the spiritual realm ,I was that way growing up. I could move magnets with my hands, street lights turn on and off around me, and radios never worked right. As well as random things would happen all the time. Since being saved I know where it all came from, and I am wary now.

background info?:bb3:
 
I am wondering how in the world you seem ready with those things, lol I can only imagine what ur desktop looks like...
 
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