Deca by itself...
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04svtspray
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Dude I would not run deca without test, you are in for a deca **** if you do.. Throw some test in there and you will be fine, but make sure its higher than ur deca dosage.
holyintellect
Well-known member
Yes, you will make gains on deca alone...that certainly is going to be offset by the fact that your libido is literally going to plummett. It is generally not a good idea to run deca solo...
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nosnmiveins
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nope, no OTC steroids along with Deca and/or Winny. u need test e,c,or p
...since u dont have access to Test, why not just run a designer steroid (only)?
nosnmiveins
Well-known member
havoc and hdrol are good to start with, i would prefer test over any designer....but u dont have access to any
nunes
Well-known member
I would never run deca, deca is a very long ester and very suppressive, there are guys who lost their libido for more than 2 months after a long deca cycle, even if test is used in a stack deca metabolites can stay in the body for a long time after the cycle is over and the recovery will be hard.
If you want to use nandrolone, use a fast acting ester like NPP, if you have sides at least you`ll recover a lot faster when you stop the cycle.
If you want to use nandrolone, use a fast acting ester like NPP, if you have sides at least you`ll recover a lot faster when you stop the cycle.
Usf97j4x4
CEL Rep (Z's lacky)
Can you get M1T?
UnrealMachine
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run some Test first, and then for your next cycle Test/Deca. Never run Deca alone.
citystreets
Banned
What about EQ by itself? I know its always a bad idea to run a cycle without test but is loss of libido the only concern regarding this?
nunes
Well-known member
with eq I saw different opinions from users,some say it ruined their libido some say it was not affected, one thing is consensual, the recovery is faster than deca but you need a longer cycle to see results, remember that using test with deca will solve the libido problem while on but when you drop your test well that depends on how good your body eliminate the nandrolone metabolites from your system.
I personally don't like the concept of long esters, they need more time to give results and sometimes an unclear time for recovery, IMO shorter cycles with shorter esters is the safest way to go for recreational bodybuilders, some guys love long cycles with long esters, but they are a lot more harsh on the system and need a lot more time to recover.
holyintellect
Well-known member
I am a huge fan of eq alone....I have done it many, many times...I have never had suppression at 600mgs....obviously the gains are going to be minimal compared to running some other chemicals, but I always responded great to it...
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nunes
Well-known member
how long are your eq cycles?
how do you know you are not suppressed?
nunes
Well-known member
yes you can but remember with all steroids you can have sides and those 2 are methylated compounds(beware with your liver among other things) , so they need some cautions when you cycle them, do some research on them first if you want to be safe.
citystreets
Banned
I find that very interesting, I ran EQ only a while ago and felt shutdown just hours after a 450mg injection. I couldnt even get it up and it stayed that way for a long time, I did notice a massive increase in appetite and an incredible pump in the gym, my cycle was cut short and i was left with slightly puffy nips.. Judging by all this would it be safe to assume my EQ was actualy deca?
Kingdude
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Great, I just read this. Ok, im def second guessing running deca by itself....
The moral of this story? Always use Testosterone with your Deca! I suggest 200mgs, minimum, to avoid impotence and sexual dysfunction. For an anabolic effect from that Testosterone, I recommend at least double that, with an equal amount of deca (minimum). I´d also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with deca (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices.
Crap!
What if I ran winnie by itself guys? I know the bad thing is multiple inj every other day
The moral of this story? Always use Testosterone with your Deca! I suggest 200mgs, minimum, to avoid impotence and sexual dysfunction. For an anabolic effect from that Testosterone, I recommend at least double that, with an equal amount of deca (minimum). I´d also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with deca (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices.
Crap!
What if I ran winnie by itself guys? I know the bad thing is multiple inj every other day
nunes
Well-known member
I`m sorry to tell you this and don't get me wrong but you need to do a lot of research on steroids and steroid cycles , throwing cycles one after the other before knowing the compounds will not help you, first do your homework and then ask, again don't get me wrong but this is the best advice I can give you at this time.Great, I just read this. Ok, im def second guessing running deca by itself....
The moral of this story? Always use Testosterone with your Deca! I suggest 200mgs, minimum, to avoid impotence and sexual dysfunction. For an anabolic effect from that Testosterone, I recommend at least double that, with an equal amount of deca (minimum). I´d also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with deca (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices.
Crap!
What if I ran winnie by itself guys? I know the bad thing is multiple inj every other day
steroids are dangerous if you don't know how to use them correctly
holyintellect
Well-known member
I would run eq up to 16 weeks.....I did not have blood work done, I literally based that on my 15 years experience with steroids.....I dont mean that sarcastically, I just know what it feels like to be shut down...Obviously it could have happened and been minimal, but even if that was the case, I would still make that trade anyday.
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holyintellect
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There is no steroid on this planet that will shut you down hours after you take an injection, especially an oil based steroid that literally hasnt even hit your bloodstream yet...If it was a UG, then yeah, it is possible it might have been deca, but even so it wouldnt have caused immediate suppresion....
I literally copied and pasted the below from the very first profile of EQ I found online...
Athletes almost never report estrogenic side effects with Equipoise, even when the dose is up to a gram per week. Side effects caused by estrogen include oily skin, acne, and gynocomastia, and as I said, those are usually not found from Equipoise. Virilization (development of male sexual characteristics in women) is almost never seen with this compound, when reasonable doses are used by female athletes. This is one of the few injectable compounds which could be successfully be used by female athletes and bodybuilders, and isn´t often faked.
Kingdude
New member
Its why I was asking, I dont plan on running anything unless its ok. Since these are my 2 options... Deca or winnie and if they shouldnt be run together or seperate then i wont take any. I will look into this Hdrol and continue researching winnie running solo. Im reading it isnt bad but again, if it is, I wont take it solo, I'll wait to run into test. Thanks again guys!
nunes
Well-known member
I understand what you mean, I was just trying to understand your cycles and results, regarding the shutdown let me tell you that suppression is sometimes misleading , in my last d-bol cycle my test levels drop from 31,33 ng/ml to 7 ng/ml so not 100% suppression but a major drop and I never felt suppressed also, so without blood work is hard to tell cause some roids make us fell good and without any sides but sometimes they are there.