Whats new from Avant?

Nothing at all, my good man. Nothing at all.

It'll help with fat loss, but it'll be more of a balls-to-the-wall, jack-you-through-the-roof stim.
 
hopefully the avant stim does not contain any caffeine

Bring back H.E.A.T. I know I know u guys are waiting for the real deal on alpha-Y

seriously nowadays caffeine is found in almost every stimulant, pre-workout drink. Supp companies have gone crazy

Can't stack products because the total amount of caffeine is ass load

why don't companies leave out the caffeine, and let the consumer mix it if desired. Caffeine tabs are pretty cheap
 
raptor2003 said:
Can't stack products because the total amount of caffeine is ass load

why don't companies leave out the caffeine, and let the consumer mix it if desired. Caffeine tabs are pretty cheap
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What products would you want to stack and why?

Caffeine is put in not just because of its effects, but also as a sort of "protective measure" to help keep people from taking too much of the other ingredients.
 
Sir Savage said:
What products would you want to stack and why?

Caffeine is put in not just because of its effects, but also as a sort of "protective measure" to help keep people from taking too much of the other ingredients.
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most pre-workout drinks contain approx 200mg of caffeine per serving

If I take a serving of a stimulant, it contains on average 200mg

that totals 400mg, sucks!

I prefer not to homebrew the pre-workout drink
 
BodyWizard said:
Heck, bring back Phenogen, Leptigen Rebirth - hey, I bet a reformulated Ab-Solved would go over big...
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Unfortunately, the first two never sold all that well. The more complicated the science, the less well it sells.

The Ab-Solved thing we've thought about and are still considering.
 
Unfortunately, I take your point - I suppose I may be the only one outside Avant who actually READ *all* the write-ups on those products (heck, I've got them printed out & filed...). That was Par & Dsade, right?

I think pringing Phenogen and Sesathin out at the same time confused things (and people) as they both contained sesamin; I think a lot o folks said to themselves, 'well, if Sesathin is so good they're putting it in everything now, I'll just get the Sesathin 'cause it's tha shizz'. Then when people started sourcing Salvia m....

Of the 2 (or is it 3?) Leptigen is the one I miss the most. Really loved that stuff
 
Sir Savage said:
Unfortunately, the first two never sold all that well. The more complicated the science, the less well it sells.

The Ab-Solved thing we've thought about and are still considering.
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You can't just tell dolts to take x amount at x time? I loved the beta synthesize, but loathe the taste. I am sure the new version is much better. It is probably one of a the few products that I have used that I have seen great results with, yet so simple. Glucosamine + SS = win.
 
Well you can, but you also have to explain at least a little something about the product.

And when you start talking about activating the hexosamine pathway or some sh*t, you lose people. Big time.

But if you say "Hey brosauce, take this and get swolez!! It's 3000% more effective than creatine alone!!!" then you sell. We're not that way, though.

So what we're trying to do is strike a balance. :)
 
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