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Bulking Cycle, A-50, d-bol, Test-E, Clen, Anavar

Stunt1014

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This will be my second cycle and is all out bulking. Food is at 6-7k a day with over 300g of whey and casein protein

Week 1-3.5 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed
Week 3.5-5.5 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-5.5 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed

Week 1 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 2-19 500mg testosterone enanthate (split friday/monday) ew

Week 18-19 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed

week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

week 22-30 20mg anavar ed
week 22-30 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed




Im still debating wether or not i should do the anavar at the end because it would be so long but i need to keep strength and most of weight and this will definately help plus it will only affect HPTA slightly at 22% with that dose.

Im splitting up the anadrol and dbol because i dont think anadrol for 5 weeks would be good for my liver. What do you guys think?

If you guys have any thaughts id appreciate it...
 
Stunt1014 said:
This will be my second cycle and is all out bulking. Food is at 6-7k a day with over 300g of whey and casein protein

Week 1-3.5 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed
Week 3.5-5.5 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-5.5 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed

Week 1 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 2-19 500mg testosterone enanthate (split friday/monday) ew

Week 18-19 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed

week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

week 22-30 20mg anavar ed
week 22-30 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed




Im still debating wether or not i should do the anavar at the end because it would be so long but i need to keep strength and most of weight and this will definately help plus it will only affect HPTA slightly at 22% with that dose.

Im splitting up the anadrol and dbol because i dont think anadrol for 5 weeks would be good for my liver. What do you guys think?

If you guys have any thaughts id appreciate it...
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1. Drop the var. You dont want anything suppressive in PCT. Thats the first rule you should know this.

2. This is quite a heavy second cycle IMO. I would run dbol or drol week 1-4 not both.

3. This is a very long cycle, I dont think you should go above 10-12 weeks. Its not good for HPTA to be suppressed for that long.

4. I think you could add the anavar in, just differently.

5. I personally would drop the clen

6. Pin Monday and thursday as oppose to monday/friday

7. Consider hCG


Here is another layout possibility:

Cycle

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg
Week 1-4: Dbol (30mg) or Drol (50mg)
Week 11-14: Var (50mg) or Winny (50mg)

PCT

Week 15-19: Nolva 40/20/20/20/10
Week 15-18: Clomid 100/50/50/50

JMO though :)
 
i was thinking that the pct would bring my test levels up again and the anavar would only supress it 22% so id still be at 88% and the rest would come naturally after im done with the anavar but at least il already be at 88% instead of 0%

but if my thinking is flawed here, would id be ok to do the anavar directly after the end of my 19 week cycle for another 8 weeks and then pct? id be "on" for 27 weeks total but the last 8 would only be very mildly "on" so my natty test could recoup slightly and then pct would bring it back up..yes or no?
 
tnick7 said:
1. Drop the var. You dont want anything suppressive in PCT. Thats the first rule you should know this.

2. This is quite a heavy second cycle IMO. I would run dbol or drol week 1-4 not both.

3. This is a very long cycle, I dont think you should go above 10-12 weeks. Its not good for HPTA to be suppressed for that long.

4. I think you could add the anavar in, just differently.

5. I personally would drop the clen

6. Pin Monday and thursday as oppose to monday/friday

7. Consider hCG


Here is another layout possibility:

Cycle

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg
Week 1-4: Dbol (30mg) or Drol (50mg)
Week 11-14: Var (50mg) or Winny (50mg)

PCT

Week 15-19: Nolva 40/20/20/20/10
Week 15-18: Clomid 100/50/50/50

JMO though :)
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no matter which way i pin il have 3 days between and 2 days between so monday and friday will be more conveniant for my shedule.

splitting up drol/dbol should be almost as affective as drol only but the dbol for the last 2 weeks will be easier on the liver

interested to know why you would drop the clen?

i like that you thaught of an alternative for the var but the thing is i dont want to do 50mg for 4 weeks, i want to do 20mg for a longer time as maintanance u know? plus i will be wrestling so i need to maintain my new strenght gains
 
Stunt1014 said:
no matter which way i pin il have 3 days between and 2 days between so monday and friday will be more conveniant for my shedule.

splitting up drol/dbol should be almost as affective as drol only but the dbol for the last 2 weeks will be easier on the liver

interested to know why you would drop the clen?

i like that you thaught of an alternative for the var but the thing is i dont want to do 50mg for 4 weeks, i want to do 20mg for a longer time as maintanance u know? plus i will be wrestling so i need to maintain my new strenght gains
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You want to pin so your levels are as constant as possible. This will help to avoid some side effects. By doing it monday and thursday you are spreading it as much as you can.

Personally I would pick one dbol or drol.

I wouldnt run clen just because this is an all out bulking cycle, possibly run it in PCT. Plus I just wouldnt personally touch clen. All that AAS and added body weight cant be the best thing for your heart and with the studies on clen causing cardiac necrosis I just dont see it being worth it, you know.. Ask yourself is the juice worth the squeeze :D

Run the var however you want, but 20mg seems low. However you run it is your choice, maybe from Week 8-14 at a lower dose instead, just do not run it in PCT.
 
This cycle is too much, way too heavy for 2nd cycle

And unless you're 7 feet tall, eating 7K calories of food a day is going to make you fat

I don't know how this thread can even get this long without you posting your stats. Age, height, weight, #years lifting, what was the previous cycle, and what do you want out of the next

Whatever it is you want out of the next, there's no logical reason to get greedy and run your second cycle this heavy. Too much suppression for someone with 1 cycle under their belt -- and yes HCG should be used for something this long but it's not in your outline, and your have Var in PCT, it's messed up bro.
 
Running it like this would be far safer:

Week 1-3.5 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed
Week 3.5-5.5 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 2-12 500mg testosterone enanthate
Week 8-14 50mg Anavar

PCT Wk 14-18

Take 3 months off after PCT!!!
 
dkkon1 said:
Running it like this would be far safer:

Week 1-3.5 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed
Week 3.5-5.5 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 2-12 500mg testosterone enanthate
Week 8-14 50mg Anavar

PCT Wk 14-18

Take 3 months off after PCT!!!
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:goodpost::thumbsup: recharging :D
 
20 mgs of anavar is not nearly enough, plus where do u get the 22 percent suppressed idea? Ive never heard that could someone explain. Use tnick or dkkons protocal. If you want to maintain strength u need hcg + good pct not more roids in my opinion.
 
Motox said:
20 mgs of anavar is not nearly enough, plus where do u get the 22 percent suppressed idea? Ive never heard that could someone explain. Use tnick or dkkons protocal. If you want to maintain strength u need hcg + good pct not more roids in my opinion.
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Good advise man, Stunt you've got to remember that this game is about being consistent and smart not wreckless. This is the type of cycle that comes close to crossing the line between steroid use and steroid abuse. It seems that you're not taking your health seriously. This is the type of thing that could leave you with low test levels forever (not likely but it could certainly happen). So just take your time, you don't have to gain all your weight in one cycle man. Just run this one 10-12 wks run pct, take 3 months off then do another one.
 
UnrealMachine said:
This cycle is too much, way too heavy for 2nd cycle

And unless you're 7 feet tall, eating 7K calories of food a day is going to make you fat

I don't know how this thread can even get this long without you posting your stats. Age, height, weight, #years lifting, what was the previous cycle, and what do you want out of the next

Whatever it is you want out of the next, there's no logical reason to get greedy and run your second cycle this heavy. Too much suppression for someone with 1 cycle under their belt -- and yes HCG should be used for something this long but it's not in your outline, and your have Var in PCT, it's messed up bro.
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no i eat 5-6k calls when off and 6-7k calls when on and i have an extremely low body fat %. I never gain fat. My metabolism is extremely high. I'm gonna enjoy it while i have it ;)

since you asked, age 25, height 6 foot 2, weight 220, years lifting 9, years lifting serious 8, and previous cycle was test e for 15 weeks. started 8 weeks 250 then bumped it to 750 (i know it was stupid not going to 500 first please no flame) had great gains with absolutely no negative sides besides more facial hair which ive wanted since i was in high school..

i havent yest thaught about the next cycle, i am more concerned about this one.
 
so i have changed the cycle to this:

Week 1-3.5 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed
Week 3.5-5.5 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-5.5 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed

Week 1 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 2-19 500mg testosterone enanthate (split friday/monday) ew

week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10
week 22-23 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed

then taking at least 5 months off!!


removed the anavar all together, too expensive and wont be worth it. i just wanted it to maintain strenght/weight after cycle but ur right it would be stupid doing it during pct. so i moved the clen to pct since its anti catabolic and will help in not loosing muscle.

what do you guys think?
 
Better than the original but still too long in my opinion. 21 weeks (until pct) is alot longer than i'd risk my own natural production. Do what you want, but if you play with fire long enough you're going to get burned.
 
Stunt1014 said:
so i have changed the cycle to this:

Week 1-3.5 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed
Week 3.5-5.5 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-5.5 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed

Week 1 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 2-19 500mg testosterone enanthate (split friday/monday) ew

week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10
week 22-23 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed

then taking at least 5 months off!!

what do you guys think?
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no need to frontload. if u want to stay on for so long then get some HCG, other than that it looks fine
 
i appreciate all the feedback so far, I have three choices left please respond with comments on which would be best or any other thaughts...

Cycle option 1

Week 1-4 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed (50mg first week)
Week 1-4 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-19 500mg testosterone enanthate ew with 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 22-23 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

Cycle option 2

Week 1-4 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-4 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-19 500mg testosterone enanthate ew with 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 16-19 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 22-23 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

Cycle option 3

Week 1-4 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-4 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-14 500mg testosterone enanthate ew with 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 13-16 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 17-18 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 17-20 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

basicall the same except 1 im finishing with test e, 2 im finishing with test e and dbol, and 3 im finishing with dbol
 
you wanted to use var in pct? You shoudn't be running AAS if you want to add an AAS in post cycle therapy. Only 22% supressive? I'd like to see where you got those numbers from? All you planned on doing in PCT is nolva after a 20 week Test E cycle?

After looking at your first cycle mistakes also. Bro STUDY STUDY and STUDY some more. You dont seem to have a grasp on these things. I'm only saying this in your healths best interest.
 
Stunt1014 said:
i appreciate all the feedback so far, I have three choices left please respond with comments on which would be best or any other thaughts...

Cycle option 1

Week 1-4 100mg anapolon 50 (anadrol) ed (50mg first week)
Week 1-4 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-19 500mg testosterone enanthate ew with 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 22-23 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

Cycle option 2

Week 1-4 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-4 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-19 500mg testosterone enanthate ew with 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 16-19 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 22-23 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 22-25 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

Cycle option 3

Week 1-4 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-4 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-14 500mg testosterone enanthate ew with 1000mg testosterone enanthate frontload
Week 13-16 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 17-18 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 17-20 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

basicall the same except 1 im finishing with test e, 2 im finishing with test e and dbol, and 3 im finishing with dbol
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Is there a none of the above option? Let me reiterate what the others have said:

a) Front-loading is not necessary. Go here:

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You'll see using this tool, that front-loading is completely useless, and does nothing but produce hormone fluctuations which subsequently produce unwanted side effects. The key to safe cycling, including low side-effect profiles and maintainable gains, is mimicking the body's own production as closely as possible - that means not producing massive increases and decreases

b) Clenbuterol is unnecessary. You've state you are not naturally predisposed to fat gain, so a beta-2 agonist does not make sense, and is added stress on your body.

c) 20 weeks is far too long.

d) You NEED hCG.

I think you may need to literally scrap everything you have up there, and rebuild from phase one: Choose one Testosterone ester, for 12-14 weeks, at a constant dosage; from that point, 'kickstart' the cycle with on oral - or preferably a short estered Testosterone - at the same dosage for 4-5 weeks. You are overcomplicating matters for a second cycle - simplify.
 
Thank you for all the input so far it has helped alot. You guys are right, with the extreme success of my first cycle, I was jumping the gun on the second cycle. Here is what I will do:

Week 1-6 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-6 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-15 500mg testosterone enanthate ew
Week 18-19 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 18-22 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

I removed frontloading
Went from 20 weeks of test e to 15 which is what my previous cycle was and that was the perfect time for me actually.
Goin with dbol instead of adrol. Wana see how I respond to dbol before taking adrol.
Im keeping the clen, I want to be even more ripped than I am naturally especially for wrestling and will continue at a low dose of 40mcg for the anti-catabolic effects and not the fat loss effects after the first 2 weeks.
 
Stunt1014 said:
Thank you for all the input so far it has helped alot. You guys are right, with the extreme success of my first cycle, I was jumping the gun on the second cycle. Here is what I will do:

Week 1-6 30mg danabol (dianabol) ed
Week 1-6 Liv-52 liver protectant and milk thisle ed
Week 1-15 500mg testosterone enanthate ew
Week 18-19 140mcg clenbuterol ed starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg ed
week 18-22 PCT with nolva at 40/40/20/20/10

I removed frontloading
Went from 20 weeks of test e to 15 which is what my previous cycle was and that was the perfect time for me actually.
Goin with dbol instead of adrol. Wana see how I respond to dbol before taking adrol.
Im keeping the clen, I want to be even more ripped than I am naturally especially for wrestling and will continue at a low dose of 40mcg for the anti-catabolic effects and not the fat loss effects after the first 2 weeks.
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Looks much more sensible. I would still purchase some hCG personally, 15 weeks is still a fairly long cycle. If you drop it to 12 I'm sure you wont need it
 
tnick7 said:
Looks much more sensible. I would still purchase some hCG personally, 15 weeks is still a fairly long cycle. If you drop it to 12 I'm sure you wont need it
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i agree with tnick7 here, your going to need HCG if u run anything 14+ weeks (user dependent)
 
OK i will add in the hcg as well than.

Last question I promise... would is be ok to mix in a little bit more dbol at the end of the cycle as well like the last 4 weeks or would that be overdoing it?

I have read several discussions on how it is not only good for kickstarting but also as a kick at the end of the cycle.. and comments on this?
 
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