help!!!!
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Distilled Water
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This is going to be the best info of all. This stack WILL get you huge guaranteed I use it every time. It's search, read, research, search, read, search and read!!!!! You can do it all up in the top right corner under the search tab.
Distilled Water
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ok you def need to do some searching. Look in the bulking section. There are a few FAQ type thread that will def help you out. Good luck
liamrowe
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i have been looking and i talk to guys in the gym about what they take i am just looking to you guys for advice on what actually is worth the money and or if there is something better that i dont know about, i have taken no-explode before and found it worked quite well then a guy at the gym said about hyperdrol and mass fx so i tryed it but i dont know if i amdoing it right. i normally run it like this:
Training day
7am 1x hyperdrol and mass fx
10am 1x hyperdrol and mass fx
then
2x mass fx pre workout
2x hyperdrol before bed
Off Day
1X hyperdrol and mass fx
3x evenly throughout the day..
Training day
7am 1x hyperdrol and mass fx
10am 1x hyperdrol and mass fx
then
2x mass fx pre workout
2x hyperdrol before bed
Off Day
1X hyperdrol and mass fx
3x evenly throughout the day..
Distilled Water
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Distilled Water
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Yea thats the only part I haven't done yet, I'll get on it 2day.
For a basic bulk for a person like myself. I would make these staples
Creatine Monohydrate
Fish Oil
Multi
Glutamine
Anabolic Pump or NeoVar 2.0
digestive enzymes
Helpful but not necessity.
Beta-Alanine
Taurine
Coleus Forskohlii
Test boosters
-Formadrol/pSARM combo
-Diesel Test Hardcore
-Cissus-Drol
-Stoked
-RPM/Drive combo
*Im sure there are test boosters I'm missing but I have either used one of the above with good results and or heard good things.
Plates1971
New member
Just a little input.... If you are 22yrs old I would not take a test. booster..... your natural test does not peak until 25...it stays that way until 30 years old then begins to decline at 1% a year..... by taking a test booster you would be defeating your body's natural peak production....use it, when it declines then begin a test booster to make up for the deficit. I feel there is no good substitue for a solid diet, a good protein....behind that BCAA's, Creatine, Glutamine, Omega 3's, a good Multi Vit....... I myself do like Beta Alanine as a staple.. I am older thou, and my recovery takes longer.....Peace!
liamrowe
New member
Cheers have probably saved me alot of money lol!!! am takin a protein and BCAA's along with no explode, what are ur views on no explode is there something better out there as i find it works for a while then has little effect after a while????
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
i dont think he is ready for that. still tweaking out the stuff. at 22 he would be massive to max out his natural ability. most likely time for a routine change due to muscle tolerance
liamrowe
New member
yer i think probably a bit early for a prohormone, i am in the process of a routine change am just looking to see what supps people would recomend. i am not some moron who thinks that there is an easy way to get huge lol i do work hard am just seeing if i could be doing/takin anything that will give me some extra help. cheers for the advice guys and please keep it coming
b unit
Well-known member
good advice bro, but you forgot to add KFC into your list:stick:
welcome to the board bro
delsolrob
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no discussing PH/PS's in the supplement section!
TexasLifter89
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i see i see. i would recommend checking out any product from AN or controlled labs.
Zero V
Well-known member
Test boosters arent needed, though I have taken ZMA because it just gives me what I need to more effectivly increase my own output of test.... I know My test aint low, too much drive for that :thumbsup:
I would say like the:goodpost: said about AN products. they change a man......lol, they just work really good.
I would say like the:goodpost: said about AN products. they change a man......lol, they just work really good.
Distilled Water
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Liam, I have updated my FAQ take a look back there again 
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
honestl any of those two companies products. every single one works. if you are bulking i would def say neovar and rpm from AN and glycergrow and green mag from controlled labs
Plates1971
New member
I am not a big NOS person......never have had great results from it...... probably because I take stim. thermos and that counteracts the effects of NOS...... as for prohormones no way just as counter productive as test boosters at that age..... you do not need exogenous or endogenous help at this point.......PH's nowadays are risky buisiness anyhow due to the addition of the methylated ester to make the half life longer.......too toxic to the liver. Even thou I have taken them in the past I would not suggest them after going down that road.....you only have 1 liver bro, take care of it... it has to last a lifetime! :thumbsup:
Plates1971
New member
Good advice.... I love controlled labs products...Oh and MST also!:thumbsup:...... I take purple wraath and love the stuff!!!!!! Both are solid companies...... I also take Ragnarok pre workout by MST and probably the best pre wrokout formula I have taken. Warrior Melon Flavor is the shiznit...... Of coarse not quite as effective as my Kentucky Fried Chicken but it is close!!!!!:lol:
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
haha
liamrowe
New member
well i will order some stuff then am going to look at glycergrow and green mag from controlled labs, am gonna do some reading up on them first have read reviews on green mag and they all seem good + its quite cheap!!! thanks for the help everyone, please keep the advice comin cos would like your help and input. again thanks alot!!!
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
im running green mag and glycergrow for 40 days in my hulk log in my sig. feel free to follow to watch the results! what products did you order
liamrowe
New member
well am gonna go for the glycergrow and green mag but am away for a month from the 21st so am gonna use the no-explode till i go, have looked at ur log mate its friggin rediculous lol! cant wait to get my hands on some!!! am suffering a bit with my back at the mo so am thinkin i may have to invest in a belt or something!!! have been training almost every day (different bodyparts).
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
well when you start it you should log it. and pm me with your results. good luck! an good choices!
liamrowe
New member
hey tex, was wondering i get back from bahrain on the 21st aug i will hopefully have a shed load of money and wanna take ur advice on the controlled labs products, what would you suggest??? am interested in trying your 'becoming the hulk' stack out, but is there anything else you would recomend????
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
hm I really like the green mag glycergrow combo. Add igf2 and that stack would kick butt. keep water at 1.5 to 2 gallons/day
TexasLifter89
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here is the write up:
Applied Nutriceuticals Research is proud to introduce the newest and most effective anabolic product on the market, IGF-2™. IGF-2™ is a powerful blend of the strongest legally available herbal compounds, perfectly standardized to provide the highest quality and effectiveness. IGF-2™ incorporates Safed Musli, Mucuna Pruriens, Dodder Seed, and Rhodiola Rosea combined into a specific, synergistic formula that produces amazing results faster than would ever be expected from an over-the-counter preparation.
Safed Musli is an Ayurvedic herb used for centuries to improve physical strength and male fertility. We now know that this due to the high concentrations of spirosta-steroidal saponins found in this compound, which have been shown to significantly increase testosterone levels (1,2,3,6). Mucuna Pruriens, another Ayurvedic herb, contains high concentrations of L-Dopa, a compound responsible for increasing endogenous GH and testosterone secretion (15). Dodder Seed (Cuscuta Chineses) is an herb used by the Chinese for centuries to treat male impotence and infertility, which has been shown to increase cAMP production (cyclic AMP – a precursor to ATP, the primary cellular energy molecule), as well as testosterone levels (26). Rhodiola Rosea is an adaptogenic herb that has been shown in animal studies to boost ATP, glycogen, and Creatine Phosphate levels, and has been shown in humans to decrease physiological stress while increasing memory, alertness, and energy (23,24,25).
Product Overview: IGF-2 and Hormonal Systems
The compounds contained in IGF-2™ stimulate a variety of complex reactions and messenger systems in the body, most notably through direct gene activation and the second messenger system. Safed Musli, Mucuna Pruriens, and Dodder Seed all have been shown to increase testosterone production in the body via a number of different mechanisms (1,2,26,27).
Testosterone Production
Safed Musli, in particular, contains large amounts of Spirosta-steroidal saponins: desoxydiosgenin, tigogenin, neotigogenin, which are intermediates to various hormonal pathways in the body (1,2). When ingested, desoxydiosgenin from Safed Musli is enzymatically converted to 11-oxa-5 alpha-androstane-3,17-dione, some of which is converted to testosterone through the testes. The increased testosterone produced by this process binds to the androgen receptor (AR), signaling the muscles via mRNA to increase protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, leading to greater strength, mass, and recovery (1,2,27).
Testosterone, which is lipid soluble, diffuses through the cell wall, binding to the intracellular androgen receptor (AR). The binding causes an activation of the hormone receptor, and the activated receptor complex continues on to the nucleus of the cell, where the hormone binds to a DNA receptor protein. This signals the transcription of DNA to produce mRNA(3). The mRNA is then transplanted to the ribosomes of the cell, signaling the body to increase protein synthesis in a variety of target tissues (skeletal muscle) (3).
L-Dopa and its effects on Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone
Another important chemical mechanism of IGF-2™ is L-Dopa-induced growth hormone (GH) release, and increased testosterone secretion through prolactin inhibition. Prolactin is a hormone that regulates testosterone production, and too much of it can suppress the secretion of gonadotropins, which hinders testosterone production. By inhibiting prolactin, IGF-2 increases endogenous testosterone levels dramatically. The variety of Mucuna Pruriens used in IGF-2™ is standardized to 25% L-Dopa, delivering large amounts of this active ingredient per capsule (27). L-Dopa is a precursor to Dopamine, a powerful biogenic amine, and L-Dopa is the only method of transport of Dopamine through the blood-barrier(3,15,16). Dopamine is a potent GH and testosterone agonist, meaning that dopamine inhibits prolactin release and hypothalamic somatostatin secretion, which allows for a greater stimulatory effect of growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH) and secretion of testosterone by the testes. GHRH signals the pituitary to release GH, a polypeptide hormone produced by the somatotropic cells of the anterior pituitary (3,11,12,14,15,16). GH stimulates skeletal muscle cells to grow and, in some cases, divide. Acting directly, GH mobilizes fats from fat depots and decreases the rate of glucose intake and metabolism. In mammals, GH exerts most of its anabolic effects through being mediated by IGF; IGF is also known as somatomedin, which stimulates the uptake of amino acids from the blood and into skeletal muscle, providing for a variety of anabolic effects in the human body. This is important, as IGF-2™ provides the biochemical stimulus for the aforementioned muscle-building processes.
Dodder Seed, Rhodiola Rosea
Dodder Seed is another important component of IGF-2™ as it also activates the second messenger system, and subsequently causes adenylate cyclase to generate cAMP from ATP (3,26). cAMP generation has a variety of effects on tissue and glandular activity, but the most notable is the stimulation of the thyroid to produce thyroxin (promoting elevated fat burning). Increased cAMP levels to also activate the protein kinase enzyme, which in turn activates hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL) in targeted tissues(10,11,13) and signals for the production of luteinizing hormone, which elevates testosterone levels in males. Elevations in these two hormones can cause a marked increase in fat as body fuel, as well as a strong correlation to decreased body fat and increased muscle mass, density and strength.
Rhodiola Rosea also displays some individualistic qualities of greater ATP enhancement and creatine phosphate storage in animal studies. At the Tomsk State University and Medical Institute in Russia, mice were administered Rhodiola supplementation and made to swim to exhaustion twice a day for six days. At the end of the testing period, muscle biopsies were performed, with the Rhodiola-treated mice having 17% greater ATP levels 45% greater creatine phosphate stores, and 53% greater muscle glycogen levels, while having lower intramuscular concentrations of lactic acid and ammonia (23,24,25). The rosavin and salidroside content of Rhodiola Rosea has also been shown to have significant effects on stress reduction in human studies by reducing cortisol release, while optimizing levels of key brain chemicals such as serotonin and dopamine that function together to maintain a healthy response to stress (20-25). Blocking cortisol is a very important effect, as cortisol breaks down muscle tissue and increases body fat, slowing the metabolism and lowering immune function. Rhodiola has been shown to also have adaptogenic qualities, allowing the human body to work harder during stress, while at the same time maintaining higher energy reserves (20-25). This is important to hard-training athletes because intense stress and strain can cause significant increases in stress hormone levels like cortisol (20-25), thus diminishing results.
Synergy
The ingredients in IGF-2™, precisely blended to optimal ratios together produce a powerful synergistic combination. Synergism of hormones occurs in situations where more than one hormone produces the same effects at the target cell, and their combined effects are amplified. Safed Musli contains large amounts of the spirosta-steroidal saponins and Mucuna Pruriens, as mentioned before, converts to L-Dopa. L-Dopa converts to dopamine, which increases testosterone (via prolactin inhibition) and growth hormone through an increase in GHRH release (1,10,11,12,16,17,18,27). GH converts to IGF-1, and exerts anabolic effects in skeletal muscle. Also, and even more importantly, hormonal compounds (like desoxydiosgenin) can increase IGF-1 in muscle tissue as well, and maybe even aid in the ability of the skeletal muscles to use GH and IGF. Increased testosterone also tells the body to continue producing GH endogenously, stopping the negative feedback loop (10-12). In conclusion, IGF-2™ employs powerful inter-compound synergism, leading to more rapid muscular growth, along with increased recovery and noticeable strength increases.
Applied Nutriceuticals Research is proud to introduce the newest and most effective anabolic product on the market, IGF-2™. IGF-2™ is a powerful blend of the strongest legally available herbal compounds, perfectly standardized to provide the highest quality and effectiveness. IGF-2™ incorporates Safed Musli, Mucuna Pruriens, Dodder Seed, and Rhodiola Rosea combined into a specific, synergistic formula that produces amazing results faster than would ever be expected from an over-the-counter preparation.
Safed Musli is an Ayurvedic herb used for centuries to improve physical strength and male fertility. We now know that this due to the high concentrations of spirosta-steroidal saponins found in this compound, which have been shown to significantly increase testosterone levels (1,2,3,6). Mucuna Pruriens, another Ayurvedic herb, contains high concentrations of L-Dopa, a compound responsible for increasing endogenous GH and testosterone secretion (15). Dodder Seed (Cuscuta Chineses) is an herb used by the Chinese for centuries to treat male impotence and infertility, which has been shown to increase cAMP production (cyclic AMP – a precursor to ATP, the primary cellular energy molecule), as well as testosterone levels (26). Rhodiola Rosea is an adaptogenic herb that has been shown in animal studies to boost ATP, glycogen, and Creatine Phosphate levels, and has been shown in humans to decrease physiological stress while increasing memory, alertness, and energy (23,24,25).
Product Overview: IGF-2 and Hormonal Systems
The compounds contained in IGF-2™ stimulate a variety of complex reactions and messenger systems in the body, most notably through direct gene activation and the second messenger system. Safed Musli, Mucuna Pruriens, and Dodder Seed all have been shown to increase testosterone production in the body via a number of different mechanisms (1,2,26,27).
Testosterone Production
Safed Musli, in particular, contains large amounts of Spirosta-steroidal saponins: desoxydiosgenin, tigogenin, neotigogenin, which are intermediates to various hormonal pathways in the body (1,2). When ingested, desoxydiosgenin from Safed Musli is enzymatically converted to 11-oxa-5 alpha-androstane-3,17-dione, some of which is converted to testosterone through the testes. The increased testosterone produced by this process binds to the androgen receptor (AR), signaling the muscles via mRNA to increase protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, leading to greater strength, mass, and recovery (1,2,27).
Testosterone, which is lipid soluble, diffuses through the cell wall, binding to the intracellular androgen receptor (AR). The binding causes an activation of the hormone receptor, and the activated receptor complex continues on to the nucleus of the cell, where the hormone binds to a DNA receptor protein. This signals the transcription of DNA to produce mRNA(3). The mRNA is then transplanted to the ribosomes of the cell, signaling the body to increase protein synthesis in a variety of target tissues (skeletal muscle) (3).
L-Dopa and its effects on Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone
Another important chemical mechanism of IGF-2™ is L-Dopa-induced growth hormone (GH) release, and increased testosterone secretion through prolactin inhibition. Prolactin is a hormone that regulates testosterone production, and too much of it can suppress the secretion of gonadotropins, which hinders testosterone production. By inhibiting prolactin, IGF-2 increases endogenous testosterone levels dramatically. The variety of Mucuna Pruriens used in IGF-2™ is standardized to 25% L-Dopa, delivering large amounts of this active ingredient per capsule (27). L-Dopa is a precursor to Dopamine, a powerful biogenic amine, and L-Dopa is the only method of transport of Dopamine through the blood-barrier(3,15,16). Dopamine is a potent GH and testosterone agonist, meaning that dopamine inhibits prolactin release and hypothalamic somatostatin secretion, which allows for a greater stimulatory effect of growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH) and secretion of testosterone by the testes. GHRH signals the pituitary to release GH, a polypeptide hormone produced by the somatotropic cells of the anterior pituitary (3,11,12,14,15,16). GH stimulates skeletal muscle cells to grow and, in some cases, divide. Acting directly, GH mobilizes fats from fat depots and decreases the rate of glucose intake and metabolism. In mammals, GH exerts most of its anabolic effects through being mediated by IGF; IGF is also known as somatomedin, which stimulates the uptake of amino acids from the blood and into skeletal muscle, providing for a variety of anabolic effects in the human body. This is important, as IGF-2™ provides the biochemical stimulus for the aforementioned muscle-building processes.
Dodder Seed, Rhodiola Rosea
Dodder Seed is another important component of IGF-2™ as it also activates the second messenger system, and subsequently causes adenylate cyclase to generate cAMP from ATP (3,26). cAMP generation has a variety of effects on tissue and glandular activity, but the most notable is the stimulation of the thyroid to produce thyroxin (promoting elevated fat burning). Increased cAMP levels to also activate the protein kinase enzyme, which in turn activates hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL) in targeted tissues(10,11,13) and signals for the production of luteinizing hormone, which elevates testosterone levels in males. Elevations in these two hormones can cause a marked increase in fat as body fuel, as well as a strong correlation to decreased body fat and increased muscle mass, density and strength.
Rhodiola Rosea also displays some individualistic qualities of greater ATP enhancement and creatine phosphate storage in animal studies. At the Tomsk State University and Medical Institute in Russia, mice were administered Rhodiola supplementation and made to swim to exhaustion twice a day for six days. At the end of the testing period, muscle biopsies were performed, with the Rhodiola-treated mice having 17% greater ATP levels 45% greater creatine phosphate stores, and 53% greater muscle glycogen levels, while having lower intramuscular concentrations of lactic acid and ammonia (23,24,25). The rosavin and salidroside content of Rhodiola Rosea has also been shown to have significant effects on stress reduction in human studies by reducing cortisol release, while optimizing levels of key brain chemicals such as serotonin and dopamine that function together to maintain a healthy response to stress (20-25). Blocking cortisol is a very important effect, as cortisol breaks down muscle tissue and increases body fat, slowing the metabolism and lowering immune function. Rhodiola has been shown to also have adaptogenic qualities, allowing the human body to work harder during stress, while at the same time maintaining higher energy reserves (20-25). This is important to hard-training athletes because intense stress and strain can cause significant increases in stress hormone levels like cortisol (20-25), thus diminishing results.
Synergy
The ingredients in IGF-2™, precisely blended to optimal ratios together produce a powerful synergistic combination. Synergism of hormones occurs in situations where more than one hormone produces the same effects at the target cell, and their combined effects are amplified. Safed Musli contains large amounts of the spirosta-steroidal saponins and Mucuna Pruriens, as mentioned before, converts to L-Dopa. L-Dopa converts to dopamine, which increases testosterone (via prolactin inhibition) and growth hormone through an increase in GHRH release (1,10,11,12,16,17,18,27). GH converts to IGF-1, and exerts anabolic effects in skeletal muscle. Also, and even more importantly, hormonal compounds (like desoxydiosgenin) can increase IGF-1 in muscle tissue as well, and maybe even aid in the ability of the skeletal muscles to use GH and IGF. Increased testosterone also tells the body to continue producing GH endogenously, stopping the negative feedback loop (10-12). In conclusion, IGF-2™ employs powerful inter-compound synergism, leading to more rapid muscular growth, along with increased recovery and noticeable strength increases.
liamrowe
New member
so am i right in thinkin its a test booster?? i have been told and have read that at my age (22) i should not really bother with them untill i finish my natural test peak, around 25-26? i still have ax's mass fx and hyperdrol on my shelf are these products the not the same/similar as igf-2? i mean the write up sound amazin but have to say noone will say there product is ****, have you tryed it before if so how did you get on with it?!sorry for the 20 questions guys lol!! have to say thanks again have learnt more about this stuff than i did at uni lol!!
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
i personally have it in my arsenal at home. if you want search for the logs. you wont find any disappointed. Its more of a GH type booster. igf-2 has lots or purposes, but its main is to boost GH and test. It is used to produce lean muscle, promote fertility, increase strength and endurance, and it also helps accelerate recovery
Zero V
Well-known member
I will account for IGF-2 being awesome to be on. It will make you a bit lethargic in the first week or two though. But man it was great. Also, you walk around with a stiffy a good amount of time.... Maybe i had too much test in my system....
liamrowe
New member
well might end up getting some funny looks if i the walk round the gym with a stiffy lol!!! will look some more into it then, so what you think i should do with my mass fx and hyperdrol????:think:
musclemilk40
Banned
no testbooster
First off, your too young for any ph's , i don't think hypertest wil hurt you though, its a mild test booster that actually make the body produce more test, so no shutdown or anything like that....i think the missing link from all beginner to moderate trainerInvalid Link Removeds is the nutrition side...everyone want's to take a cool supplement and have enormous pumps in the gym, but all thats for not if you don't feed the machine.
First off, your too young for any ph's , i don't think hypertest wil hurt you though, its a mild test booster that actually make the body produce more test, so no shutdown or anything like that....i think the missing link from all beginner to moderate trainerInvalid Link Removeds is the nutrition side...everyone want's to take a cool supplement and have enormous pumps in the gym, but all thats for not if you don't feed the machine.
liamrowe
New member
i know i had used them before for like a week or two before i was told this, my diet is good tho. i eat healthly and i do put away alot! just wanna know what i can add supp wise to make me:bb3:. i am a personal trainer but unfortunatly they dont teach you about all this stuff lol.
CTDeuce
MST Reppin Hard!
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
good luck
liamrowe
New member
right have sent my order of gg and green mag, the green mag was quit hard to get hold of in the uk!!! Should be receiving it within a couple of days!!!!
have been training lately with some free samples i got from Applied Nutriceuticals. cant really make too many comments on the stuff as i only recieved a days worth of drive, rpm and neovar but my workouts were pretty good! my strength is getting back to normal(ish), one month of not training didnt do me any good in keepin what physique i had lol!!!
hopefully will get some pictures up so u pros can give me some feedback! :think:
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have been training lately with some free samples i got from Applied Nutriceuticals. cant really make too many comments on the stuff as i only recieved a days worth of drive, rpm and neovar but my workouts were pretty good! my strength is getting back to normal(ish), one month of not training didnt do me any good in keepin what physique i had lol!!!
hopefully will get some pictures up so u pros can give me some feedback! :think:
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