Anabolic Pump/Recreate cutting cycle/log

[GMG760]

Man... this crap makes me waaaaaay too nervous. I'd need someone to hold my hand and feed me everything.

I would look terrible with manboobs... or acne.

LOL. That's why you do you're research first. I've been sitting here for about 5-6 months just reading up on the sauce, I've read about ever log/thread about the compounds that I am gonna take.

Superdrol and Pheraplex still intimidate me, not so much for the man-cans, but I would hate to start shedding... I don't think I am genetically pre-disposed to hair loss, i have a pretty thick mop of hair, and my dad is 66 and has all his hair, both my grandpas had hair when they died, so... we'll just have to find out and see.

"Gotta pay the cost to be the boss".

I just don't know if I could inject myself... ugh, that sounds like a rough first go around.

Test prop sounds pretty tempting... don't know how I feel about buying the **** though, I was pretty sketched on going outside the law for the nolva... but Next time I order the SERM I am gonna stock up... I am pretty sure I have enough for 2 runs already, but I am gonna make sure I have both Nolva and Clomid, and enough for the rest of my cycles. No f*ckin around with my health. I am def. gonna be in and out of the doctors office when I'm on cycle to check my liver/lipids/test levels... if something gets wacky, I'll definitely stop.

 

[ThisGuy2]

Man... this crap makes me waaaaaay too nervous. I'd need someone to hold my hand and feed me everything.

I would look terrible with manboobs... or acne.

EDIT: Forget what I had said here. I just realized what you meant here. Garrett, your reply below is right on. Proper and thorough nformation is essential.

 

[ThisGuy2]

LOL. That's why you do you're research first. I've been sitting here for about 5-6 months just reading up on the sauce, I've read about ever log/thread about the compounds that I am gonna take.

Superdrol and Pheraplex still intimidate me, not so much for the man-cans, but I would hate to start shedding... I don't think I am genetically pre-disposed to hair loss, i have a pretty thick mop of hair, and my dad is 66 and has all his hair, both my grandpas had hair when they died, so... we'll just have to find out and see.

"Gotta pay the cost to be the boss".

I just don't know if I could inject myself... ugh, that sounds like a rough first go around.

Test prop sounds pretty tempting... don't know how I feel about buying the **** though, I was pretty sketched on going outside the law for the nolva... but Next time I order the SERM I am gonna stock up... I am pretty sure I have enough for 2 runs already, but I am gonna make sure I have both Nolva and Clomid, and enough for the rest of my cycles. No f*ckin around with my health. I am def. gonna be in and out of the doctors office when I'm on cycle to check my liver/lipids/test levels... if something gets wacky, I'll definitely stop.

I've never run sd or phera, personally. The gains on both are supposed to be sick, but I prefer to stick to compounds w/ lower sides. On SD the shedding is the least of your worries.

The only dirty one I did was TRN (the old Generic Labz stuff). I ran that a pair of cycles and, while the strength and cutting were great, I just felt weird the whole time. And that's that I was too spooked to even attempt going over the "safe" dose (4mg).

 

[GMG760]

I've never run sd or phera, personally. The gains on both are supposed to be sick, but I prefer to stick to compounds w/ lower sides. On SD the shedding is the least of your worries.

The only dirty one I did was TRN (the old Generic Labz stuff). I ran that a pair of cycles and, while the strength and cutting were great, I just felt weird the whole time. And that's that I was too spooked to even attempt going over the "safe" dose (4mg).

Yea, I have heard it can really mess with your lipid profile... I dunno, it's way off in the future... lets see how epistane treats me.

 

[TimberLakers]

Yea, I have heard it can really mess with your lipid profile... I dunno, it's way off in the future... lets see how epistane treats me.

I've wanted to try Winstrol for awhile... but have no idea where to get the s***, or if I would need a PCT. Guess it would require a lot of research.

 

[GMG760]

I've wanted to try Winstrol for awhile... but have no idea where to get the s***, or if I would need a PCT. Guess it would require a lot of research.

:toofunny:

Yea bro, you probably (and when I say probably I mean most definitely ) want to do your research. You should try a solo run of Test before you try any other injectibles. Winstrol is tough on the liver from what I understand.

You most certainly need PCT.

I would suggest speaking to someone who has ran the stuff more than once, probably a MMA athelete you know (I bet you know one who has ran it, it's the popular steroid amongst jocks/fighters)

You aren't allowed to post where to get stuff on AM. You'll get banned.

PM me for my email.

 

[ThisGuy2]

I've wanted to try Winstrol for awhile... but have no idea where to get the s***, or if I would need a PCT. Guess it would require a lot of research.

You can actually run winny oraly. The very same one you'd inject, you can just drink. If you're in the 25mg - 50mg, it shouldn't be too drastic on the liver. Definitely research it HEAVILY before you do anything. Another option is the designer, Winztrol. It has really mild sides, if any at all, and is not bad on the liver, as long as you've got your ancillaries in place. You definitely will need a pct, but the shutdown isn't too bad on it either. A very similar option is furazadrol. Many people have success with it in the 200mg range (though, personally, I like 300).

I'm not advocating it, but if you decide to go that route, here's some info to start you off. Do some research on it, and you'll find lots of info. It's been very popular in the past.

 

[GMG760]

You can actually run winny oraly. The very same one you'd inject, you can just drink. If you're in the 25mg - 50mg, it shouldn't be too drastic on the liver. Definitely research it HEAVILY before you do anything. Another option is the designer, Winztrol. It has really mild sides, if any at all, and is not bad on the liver, as long as you've got your ancillaries in place. You definitely will need a pct, but the shutdown isn't too bad on it either. A very similar option is furazadrol. Many people have success with it in the 200mg range (though, personally, I like 300).

I'm not advocating it, but if you decide to go that route, here's some info to start you off. Do some research on it, and you'll find lots of info. It's been very popular in the past.

Yea, I imagine that one might as well inject though, probably get more out of it with less sides.

Most people stack Furzadrol with something else... it's relatively mild to my understanding.

BTW, Winztrol has been discontinued to my knowledge.

 

[GMG760]

I've never run sd or phera, personally. The gains on both are supposed to be sick, but I prefer to stick to compounds w/ lower sides. On SD the shedding is the least of your worries.

The only dirty one I did was TRN (the old Generic Labz stuff). I ran that a pair of cycles and, while the strength and cutting were great, I just felt weird the whole time. And that's that I was too spooked to even attempt going over the "safe" dose (4mg).

Tren is a progestin, and I dunno about that stuff...

 

[ThisGuy2]

Yea, I imagine that one might as well inject though, probably get more out of it with less sides.

Most people stack Furzadrol with something else... it's relatively mild to my understanding.

BTW, Winztrol has been discontinued to my knowledge.

The properties are actually a little different. There's more nitrogen retention taken orally, so I think you get a little more LBM out of it. Furaz is definitely stacked most frequently, but then again, so is winny. But you could run either for a straight cut.

And Winz has been discontinued for a little while now...but you can still get it if you know where to look

 

[ThisGuy2]

Tren is a progestin, and I dunno about that stuff...

Some progestins are great, but they can be tricky. Methyl Mastervol V2 has gotten rave reviews when taken on workout days, pre-w.o. I'm actually trying it in my upcoming stack, so I'l let you know.

In regards to trn...yeah, it's pretty dirty.

 

[TimberLakers]

I did about 18 hours of reading last night...

Sounds like Win only cycles are about as recommended as shopping for muscletech products at GNC... So now I feel totally newbish... but at least I didn't start blabbing about it on a board where I'd get flamed.

Was doing some reading and research on Anavar.. Looks like what I'm after. You guys agree? Thoughts?

 

[GMG760]

The properties are actually a little different. There's more nitrogen retention taken orally, so I think you get a little more LBM out of it. Furaz is definitely stacked most frequently, but then again, so is winny. But you could run either for a straight cut.

And Winz has been discontinued for a little while now...but you can still get it if you know where to look

Yea, I found it for sale, it just said discontinued. I really don't get how people can't find stuff on the net... seek and ye shall find.

I have no real desire to run Winztrol or the real winny. I have plenty of Hdrol and I am pretty sure that's gonna do the trick, and if I did the real stuff I would run a cycle of Test Prop, then my second would be Test and Dbol for the first 4 weeks.

We'll see how everything goes with the Epi.

 

[GMG760]

So my sister graduates college tomarrow... I am going out of town as soon as I write this post... had good workouts yesterday and today... here is the lowdown.

Thursday

Back Bicepts HIIT (I added a day of HIIT)

Back
Pull ups - bodyweight - 15, 15, 12, 10
Tbar rows - 135x20, 180x15, 225x15
Close grip barbell row - 135x15, 180x15, 225x15
Low lat pull downs - 40x15, 50x15, 60x15

Biceps -
Barbell curls - 45x20, 65x15, 75x15, 85x12
Hammer curls - 30x15, 35x15, 40x15
Cable curls (single arm) - 30lbsx20x3 sets

HIIT - Bike 20 minutes

FRIDAY
Shoulders Traps forearms HIIT

Shoulders
Military Press - 95x15, 105x15, 115x15, 125x12
Upright rows -95x15, 105x15, 115x15
side raises superset with bent over side raises - 25lbsx15, 30x15, 35x15

Traps - Machine shrugs - 225x20, 315x15, 405x15 :twisted:
dumbell shrugs - 110x15x2sets

Forearms
Cleans - 95x15, 105x15, 115x15
wrist curls - 95x30x2
reverse curls - 45x15, 55x15, 55x15

Feeling good... I gotta run though, be back sunday night... later guys!

 

[ThisGuy2]

I did about 18 hours of reading last night...

Sounds like Win only cycles are about as recommended as shopping for muscletech products at GNC... So now I feel totally newbish... but at least I didn't start blabbing about it on a board where I'd get flamed.

Was doing some reading and research on Anavar.. Looks like what I'm after. You guys agree? Thoughts?

18 hours of reading is an excellent start! Keep it up. The best thing you can do for your body if you intend to try one of these compounds is gather all the information you can find first.

Thing about Winny is that to be really effective, people take it at 100mg, which is very hepatoxic. 50mg is a safer, but you're lookin at diminished gains. Often times, it's the same case, you're dealing with a trade off. I generally seek compounds first in terms of lowest sides, then move on to weed out the most effective of these.

Anavar should to be an excellent choice for your particular goals. I've never used it myself, but I've been wanting to for a while. Sides are supposed to be very low, with good cutting and hardening effects, and depending on where you're looking, it can be had for a good price. You're probably going to see little if any size from it, but from the sounds of it, that's not really what you're after anyway.

Another one with a great profile is primo, which can be obtained both injectable and tabs. The tabs are excellent for cutting and users report little to no sides at all...but it's expensive as all hell, upwards of $200 for the lowest possible effective dosage, and as high as $400-500 for the dosage that most people prefer.

Keep reading up on Anavar, and if you decide to run it, please let me know. I'm VERY curious about it myself.

 

[GMG760]

Some progestins are great, but they can be tricky. Methyl Mastervol V2 has gotten rave reviews when taken on workout days, pre-w.o. I'm actually trying it in my upcoming stack, so I'l let you know.

In regards to trn...yeah, it's pretty dirty.

I've ran MMV2 and M1D... didn't know it's a progestin. LOL. whoops.

It's the sh*t bro. Gave me a lot of strength/aggression. You'll like it, lots of vascularity, hard muscles and strength.

 

[GMG760]

Thing about Winny is that to be really effective, people take it at 100mg, which is very hepatoxic. 50mg is a safer, but you're lookin at diminished gains. Often times, it's the same case, you're dealing with a trade off. I generally seek compounds first in terms of lowest sides, then move on to weed out the most effective of these.

Anavar should to be an excellent choice for your particular goals. I've never used it myself, but I've been wanting to for a while. Sides are supposed to be very low, with good cutting and hardening effects, and depending on where you're looking, it can be had for a good price. You're probably going to see little if any size from it, but from the sounds of it, that's not really what you're after anyway.

Another one with a great profile is primo, which can be obtained both injectable and tabs. The tabs are excellent for cutting and users report little to no sides at all...but it's expensive as all hell, upwards of $200 for the lowest possible effective dosage, and as high as $400-500 for the dosage that most people prefer.

Keep reading up on Anavar, and if you decide to run it, please let me know. I'm VERY curious about it myself.

Anavar is much more common than Primo these days. Hope you're bankrolled if you want to run Primo. In my opinion you shouldn't run a doseage that you aren't gonna get the maximum positive effects out of. IE you might as well run a safer compound at a higher dosage than a dangerous one at a lower dosage... get my drift? You'll get more out of it.

I would recommend Anavar or Winni for MMA. I know a lot of the MMA guys in jail (long story, did a week, case was dismissed... was there long enough to talk to some bad ass mofos though) that I talked to were all about the Winstrol Deca stack. I dunno about Deca though, I tend to enjoy my d*ck to working right.

 

[GMG760]

I did about 18 hours of reading last night...

Sounds like Win only cycles are about as recommended as shopping for muscletech products at GNC... So now I feel totally newbish... but at least I didn't start blabbing about it on a board where I'd get flamed.

Was doing some reading and research on Anavar.. Looks like what I'm after. You guys agree? Thoughts?

LOL. Don't feel bad. I have put in MANY MANY MANY of those nights of reading and I still am not anywhere near as informed as I want to be... I really want to take a chemistry class and learn about it from a biochemistry standpoint... I just think a teacher at the colleges around here would kick me out when all I would talk about is AAS and didn't give a **** about the rest of the class. lol.

Just keep reading, there is no rush to start juicing at our age. I would suggest MMV2 actually for you to try first.

It's non methylated, and I had NO side effects from it. Just made me angry as f*ck at the weights and my lifts all went up 10-20 lbs in a matter of 2 weeks. We are talking 5 reps on the dumbbell bench with 90's to 6 reps with the 110's. I kept most of the strength too... diminished a bit, but I think that might have just been the aggression.

 

[GMG760]

I ran MMV2 and M1D for 6 weeks btw, max dosage. No sides what-so-ever.

 

[ThisGuy2]

I've ran MMV2 and M1D... didn't know it's a progestin. LOL. whoops.

It's the sh*t bro. Gave me a lot of strength/aggression. You'll like it, lots of vascularity, hard muscles and strength.

you see, it doesn't seem like it'd be a progestin to me either, but appreantly it is, from what I'm told! for that matter, I've been trying to get clarification from somebody on whether or not it's actually methylated or not. the name says it, but the nomenclature (3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one) does not seem to have a methyl bond anywhere I can see. Furthermore, progestins are supposedly NEVER methylated. so you're saying it definitely isn't, right?

In either case, I already ordered my bottle..I'm friggin' psyched to try it out. Going to use it on workout days pre-workout only, along a stack of 11-oxo at 600mg daily, and furazadrol at 300mg. Should be a niiiiice cut, with scarce sides.

 

[GMG760]

you see, it doesn't seem like it'd be a progestin to me either, but appreantly it is, from what I'm told! for that matter, I've been trying to get clarification from somebody on whether or not it's actually methylated or not. the name says it, but the nomenclature (3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one) does not seem to have a methyl bond anywhere I can see. Furthermore, progestins are supposedly NEVER methylated.

In either case, I already ordered my bottle..I'm friggin' psyched to try it out. Going to use it on workout days pre-workout only, along a stack of 11-oxo at 600mg daily, and furazadrol at 300mg. Should be a niiiiice cut, with scarce sides.

You won't have sides. It is non methylated. The only reason it is called methyl masterdrol is because the old version was a methylated version of masterdrol... now it's a new compound with the old name... just version 2. Kinda like Superdrol NG... that **** isn't methylated or even superdrol for that matter, but they still use the name for selling purposes.

You will LOVE that stack I bet. Gonna be mild on ya and good to ya!

Order 2 bottles BTW, you will want to run it for 6 weeks once you get on it. Gains and strength kept comming.

 

[TimberLakers]

LOL. Don't feel bad. I have put in MANY MANY MANY of those nights of reading and I still am not anywhere near as informed as I want to be... I really want to take a chemistry class and learn about it from a biochemistry standpoint... I just think a teacher at the colleges around here would kick me out when all I would talk about is AAS and didn't give a **** about the rest of the class. lol.

Just keep reading, there is no rush to start juicing at our age. I would suggest MMV2 actually for you to try first.

It's non methylated, and I had NO side effects from it. Just made me angry as f*ck at the weights and my lifts all went up 10-20 lbs in a matter of 2 weeks. We are talking 5 reps on the dumbbell bench with 90's to 6 reps with the 110's. I kept most of the strength too... diminished a bit, but I think that might have just been the aggression.

Yeah, I have no idea what MMV2 is... I'd have to read up on it.

I believe Anavar requires a PCT, which would be my next point to tackle. I would definitely run a log.

As far as bankrolls go - yeah, I'm fine. I'd gladly sacrifice some extra cheddar for the safest and most worthwhile compounds.

 

[ThisGuy2]

Yeah, I have no idea what MMV2 is... I'd have to read up on it.

I believe Anavar requires a PCT, which would be my next point to tackle. I would definitely run a log.

As far as bankrolls go - yeah, I'm fine. I'd gladly sacrifice some extra cheddar for the safest and most worthwhile compounds.

MMV2 is Methyl Mastervol V2, by LG Labs (or is it LG Sciences?). Anyway, check it out. You WILL need PCT for Anavar, so definitely research it. Particularly a SERM.

My pct is this one:

Nolva 40/40/20/20 or 40/30/20/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50
6-oxo 100/200/300/400
Diesel Test Hardcore 4-5 caps daily (starting at 3, as the label suggests)

 

[ThisGuy2]

You won't have sides. It is non methylated. The only reason it is called methyl masterdrol is because the old version was a methylated version of masterdrol... now it's a new compound with the old name... just version 2. Kinda like Superdrol NG... that **** isn't methylated or even superdrol for that matter, but they still use the name for selling purposes.

You will LOVE that stack I bet. Gonna be mild on ya and good to ya!

Order 2 bottles BTW, you will want to run it for 6 weeks once you get on it. Gains and strength kept comming.

I know it's going to be tempting, but I'm sticking to a strict 3 week cycle. I'll keep you posted and let you know when I start. There'll be a log.

 

[GMG760]

I know it's going to be tempting, but I'm sticking to a strict 3 week cycle. I'll keep you posted and let you know when I start. There'll be a log.

Why only three weeks? because of the other supps? Or do you only want to run the MMV2 for three.

 

[ThisGuy2]

Why only three weeks? because of the other supps? Or do you only want to run the MMV2 for three.

I actually got the idea from Thundergod, who's logging another 3 weeker (he's actually finishin pct now). He's been raving about this approach, so I wanted to give it a try, especially since my last one went 6 weeks and shut me down pretty bad. The thinking, essentially, is that you run higher doses and stack 3 or 4 compounds (which normally you wouldn't do), and run a short cycle, only 3 weeks. It should be easier to rebound during pct, and you should experience more dramatic results over a shorter time span. Here, check it out: Invalid Link Removed

The only thing I've started to worry about is how fast-acting the furazadrol and 11-oxo are. He's been working with M-drol (SD) and dbol, which work really fast. These may be slower coming on, in which case a shorter cycle would yield less results, not more. I'm trying to gather feedback on that. I know prostanny/winz took like a week or so before you started to notice anything and furaz has some similar properties, but that's not to say they're the same across the board.

If the consensus is that these two are quick, I'll stick to this plan. If not, I may lower dosages accordingly (probably to 200mg furaz/ 450mg 11-oxo) and simply extend it by 1 week to 4 weeks, but using the same 2 bottles of each I already bought (can't spend any more on this cycle). I'd still be megadosing them, so no problems there, and the MMV2 was already going to leave me with plenty of leftovers for the next one, so I'll be good if I choose to extend.

 

[GMG760]

What's up fellas.

So I am tired as heck. I just brought my 7 week old boxer puppy, Baxter, home, and he is quite the handful. I love the guy, but man, he didn't let me sleep last night for more than an hour at a pop... we'll see how legs go today lol.

Funny thing, he took like 5 dumps this morning, for a second I thought he had gotten into my Recreate. :toofunny:

My roommate has the day off, so he is watching him for a few hours while I update my log and go get a workout in... Thanks Scott (my roommate). We'll see how running my home based business goes with the little sh*t machine running around.

So I got chest yesterday, I switched up from using free weights to using the iso lateral hammerstrength machines. I actually took some advice from an (in shape) older woman in the gym who LOVES to inform everyone of how good of a trainer she is and give out advice to people who don't ask for it. Regardless, I had been contemplating using the hammerstrength machines for a while, as I have been VERY plateued on my barbell bench, and am looking for ANYTHING to improve it. I realize I am on a cut, and am not going to be breaking any personal bests as far as strength goes, but I have been stuck for a while... not on dumbbells, but only barbell. So I gave the hammerstrength a shot, and got a GREAT pump out of it. I think I am going to use the hammerstrength for chest during the next four weeks, and change up most of my routines for the next four weeks from barbells to dumbbells.

Regardless, the woman I was speaking of hadn't pissed me off, (I am kinda used to her talking out her ass to everyone... we just ignore it rather than putting her in her place out of respect for our elders...) but then she went and really made me angry. Angry to the point that I caused a scene lol.

She was talking about how I never hit the inside of my chest because my form was wrong... fair enough, my inner chest is not developed like I would like, so I listened, but then she went on to say, very loudly, in front of the entire gym that she had been watching me go to the gym for years now and I should be much bigger than I am had I the knowledge to lift correctly, and that I was going nowhere without the help of a trainer like her.

Well, I know I didn't eat or train right for the first year or so, hell I skipped out on my legs forever, but in the past two years I have gained about 22 lbs of LBM. And I let her know this. Very loudly.

"I gained 22 lbs of LBM in the last two years. Don't you f*cking insult me or anyone else in the gym with your know it all bullsh*t. If you don't think that is progress you can go f*ck yourself you washed up b*tch."

And then the entire gym got quiet. She walked away and looked like she was gonna cry.

F*ck her anyways if her skin isn't as thick as her bite is sharp.

I mean, I don't mind taking criticism and advice, but don't insult me you f*cking c*nt. I can't stand people who give advice and then put people down, it is completely unmotivating and the only reason people do it is to jack off their own ego. I mean, come on, what kind of trainer tells everyone in the gym how wrong they work out? I'll tell you who, a person who isn't a trainer who is trying to impress a bunch of people who don't give a sh*t. Sorry b*tch, but I work harder than 98% of the members at my gym, and I guarandamntee that I am growing faster than anyone there who isn't on the sauce. AND I AM ON A F*CKING CUT! WTF?! I told her upfront I was on a cut and wasn't lifting for size at the moment. It went in one ear and out the other. "If you were doing it right you could grow on a cut".

Yea, and if you had a life you wouldn't have to bother me during my workout. I know I shouldn't let it get to me, but I just hate when people put negative thoughts into ANYONE'S head who is working out. It is completely counterproductive. I am 100% positive to whoever I help out around the gym. It's always "C'mon, LETS GET IT!" or "KEEP IT UP, YOU'RE KILLING IT!" or "Try this, it will really help your goals out". Not her insulting bullsh*t. If she had been a dude, I probably would have swung I was so pissed, mostly because she does this to EVERYONE at the gym. She was so surprised when I gave her a piece of my mind. She can bother people somewhere else.

Anyway, I just had to vent. Call me an assh*le if you want, but I felt a lot better afterwards. Hopefully she'll shut the f*ck up from now on.

Anway I got chest tri's and HIIT yesterday.

CHEST
Bench - 135x15, 185x9, 225x4, 135x15 (I had to go heavy... it was eating at me)

Incline Iso press - 185x15, 225x15, 225x15
Flat Iso Press - 135x15 x3 sets
Flat bench Flys - 35x15, 40x15, 45x15

Tris-
Skull Crusher superset w/ close grip bench - 65x15, 75x15, 85x12
cable french press - 80x15, 90x15, 100x15
Cable tricep pressdownds superset with reverse grip - 80x15, 100x15, 140x12. Reverse 80x15x3.

HIIT
Stationary bike 20min.

I didn't have that great a workout after I got pissed... it was the wrong kinda anger for the gym, it really got into my head, couldn't transpher it to the weights.... I'll do my best to be positive today!

Let's hit the weights!

 

[TimberLakers]

What's up fellas.

So I am tired as heck. I just brought my 7 week old boxer puppy, Baxter, home, and he is quite the handful. I love the guy, but man, he didn't let me sleep last night for more than an hour at a pop... we'll see how legs go today lol.

Funny thing, he took like 5 dumps this morning, for a second I thought he had gotten into my Recreate. :toofunny:

My roommate has the day off, so he is watching him for a few hours while I update my log and go get a workout in... Thanks Scott (my roommate). We'll see how running my home based business goes with the little sh*t machine running around.

So I got chest yesterday, I switched up from using free weights to using the iso lateral hammerstrength machines. I actually took some advice from an (in shape) older woman in the gym who LOVES to inform everyone of how good of a trainer she is and give out advice to people who don't ask for it. Regardless, I had been contemplating using the hammerstrength machines for a while, as I have been VERY plateued on my barbell bench, and am looking for ANYTHING to improve it. I realize I am on a cut, and am not going to be breaking any personal bests as far as strength goes, but I have been stuck for a while... not on dumbbells, but only barbell. So I gave the hammerstrength a shot, and got a GREAT pump out of it. I think I am going to use the hammerstrength for chest during the next four weeks, and change up most of my routines for the next four weeks from barbells to dumbbells.

Regardless, the woman I was speaking of hadn't pissed me off, (I am kinda used to her talking out her ass to everyone... we just ignore it rather than putting her in her place out of respect for our elders...) but then she went and really made me angry. Angry to the point that I caused a scene lol.

She was talking about how I never hit the inside of my chest because my form was wrong... fair enough, my inner chest is not developed like I would like, so I listened, but then she went on to say, very loudly, in front of the entire gym that she had been watching me go to the gym for years now and I should be much bigger than I am had I the knowledge to lift correctly, and that I was going nowhere without the help of a trainer like her.

Well, I know I didn't eat or train right for the first year or so, hell I skipped out on my legs forever, but in the past two years I have gained about 22 lbs of LBM. And I let her know this. Very loudly.

"I gained 22 lbs of LBM in the last two years. Don't you f*cking insult me or anyone else in the gym with your know it all bullsh*t. If you don't think that is progress you can go f*ck yourself you washed up b*tch."

And then the entire gym got quiet. She walked away and looked like she was gonna cry.

F*ck her anyways if her skin isn't as thick as her bite is sharp.

I mean, I don't mind taking criticism and advice, but don't insult me you f*cking c*nt. I can't stand people who give advice and then put people down, it is completely unmotivating and the only reason people do it is to jack off their own ego. I mean, come on, what kind of trainer tells everyone in the gym how wrong they work out? I'll tell you who, a person who isn't a trainer who is trying to impress a bunch of people who don't give a sh*t. Sorry b*tch, but I work harder than 98% of the members at my gym, and I guarandamntee that I am growing faster than anyone there who isn't on the sauce. AND I AM ON A F*CKING CUT! WTF?! I told her upfront I was on a cut and wasn't lifting for size at the moment. It went in one ear and out the other. "If you were doing it right you could grow on a cut".

Yea, and if you had a life you wouldn't have to bother me during my workout. I know I shouldn't let it get to me, but I just hate when people put negative thoughts into ANYONE'S head who is working out. It is completely counterproductive. I am 100% positive to whoever I help out around the gym. It's always "C'mon, LETS GET IT!" or "KEEP IT UP, YOU'RE KILLING IT!" or "Try this, it will really help your goals out". Not her insulting bullsh*t. If she had been a dude, I probably would have swung I was so pissed, mostly because she does this to EVERYONE at the gym. She was so surprised when I gave her a piece of my mind. She can bother people somewhere else.

Anyway, I just had to vent. Call me an assh*le if you want, but I felt a lot better afterwards. Hopefully she'll shut the f*ck up from now on.

Anway I got chest tri's and HIIT yesterday.

CHEST
Bench - 135x15, 185x9, 225x4, 135x15 (I had to go heavy... it was eating at me)

Incline Iso press - 185x15, 225x15, 225x15
Flat Iso Press - 135x15 x3 sets
Flat bench Flys - 35x15, 40x15, 45x15

Tris-
Skull Crusher superset w/ close grip bench - 65x15, 75x15, 85x12
cable french press - 80x15, 90x15, 100x15
Cable tricep pressdownds superset with reverse grip - 80x15, 100x15, 140x12. Reverse 80x15x3.

HIIT
Stationary bike 20min.

I didn't have that great a workout after I got pissed... it was the wrong kinda anger for the gym, it really got into my head, couldn't transpher it to the weights.... I'll do my best to be positive today!

Let's hit the weights!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Bro, you're a *ucking psycho. I love it. I would have handled it a little differently - i.e. a left hook to the grill.

I've had trainers when I first started offer some me advice. They were usually bad, and the advice is usually unneeded. I think they've seen me blow up so fast lately, that most of them don't f with me... and I'm friends with most of them. One of the guys regularly asks me how many CCs I'm on.

Anyway, she shouldn't have messed with you. That's not what she's there for. I mean, she's trying to make a buck, but going after gym rats is not the way to go. Especially when they are monsters at the gym.

Regardless, on a sad note... I really messed up my left ankle and right wrist. The left ankle is fine - HURTS LIKE A MOTHER - but... I'll just stay off intense cardio for a week. The wrist is just going to have to piss off. I'm going to tape that little f*er so it can hardly move, and keep on keepin on.

 

[GMG760]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Bro, you're a *ucking psycho. I love it. I would have handled it a little differently - i.e. a left hook to the grill.

I've had trainers when I first started offer some me advice. They were usually bad, and the advice is usually unneeded. I think they've seen me blow up so fast lately, that most of them don't f with me... and I'm friends with most of them. One of the guys regularly asks me how many CCs I'm on.

Anyway, she shouldn't have messed with you. That's not what she's there for. I mean, she's trying to make a buck, but going after gym rats is not the way to go. Especially when they are monsters at the gym.

Regardless, on a sad note... I really messed up my left ankle and right wrist. The left ankle is fine - HURTS LIKE A MOTHER - but... I'll just stay off intense cardio for a week. The wrist is just going to have to piss off. I'm going to tape that little f*er so it can hardly move, and keep on keepin on.

Well here is the thing man, and I guess I didn't state this clearly enough in the story. She doesn't work for the gym. She is just some lady who is in pretty good shape and tells everyone she is a "private" personal trainer and a judge for most of the San Diego bodybuilding competitions. Well, everyone knows that's a load of bullsh*t, and most of us just let her talk, but I had enough yesterday. Talk out your ass all you want, but don't insult me in front of my bros and bunch of girls. Them's fighting words.

I think a few people have asked her why she isn't working with her clientele if she is a personal trainer, I haven't ever heard a good answer from her. The sad thing is, is she is like twice my age. It's not like me to put someone on blast like that, but enough was enough.

Yea, I can be a psycho in the gym sometimes, but it's the only real weight room around here and I could give a sh*t what other people think of me. I sometimes have to let out a yell to get up 400+ lbs deads or that 15th rep when I am squatting, but screw it, let them come over and lift with me if it's so damn easy to pick that sh*t up. I kinda just feel like if someone doesn't like it, they can go train at jazzercise with my mom. I ain't going nowhere and I ain't getting any smaller. Just wait for me to get on the Epistane. I bet I have some funny stories coming up! :twisted:

 

[TimberLakers]

Well here is the thing man, and I guess I didn't state this clearly enough in the story. She doesn't work for the gym. She is just some lady who is in pretty good shape and tells everyone she is a "private" personal trainer and a judge for most of the San Diego bodybuilding competitions. Well, everyone knows that's a load of bullsh*t, and most of us just let her talk, but I had enough yesterday. Talk out your ass all you want, but don't insult me in front of my bros and bunch of girls. Them's fighting words.

I think a few people have asked her why she isn't working with her clientele if she is a personal trainer, I haven't ever heard a good answer from her. The sad thing is, is she is like twice my age. It's not like me to put someone on blast like that, but enough was enough.

Yea, I can be a psycho in the gym sometimes, but it's the only real weight room around here and I could give a sh*t what other people think of me. I sometimes have to let out a yell to get up 400+ lbs deads or that 15th rep when I am squatting, but screw it, let them come over and lift with me if it's so damn easy to pick that sh*t up. I kinda just feel like if someone doesn't like it, they can go train at jazzercise with my mom. I ain't going nowhere and I ain't getting any smaller. Just wait for me to get on the Epistane. I bet I have some funny stories coming up! :twisted:

Wow dude, then that's even more retarted... I probably would have had my ipod on too loud to hear her talking to me anyway.

I was going to say you should have squirted some XTend in her eye... but man... what a waste of BCAAs.

Going to blow up the back tonight... Pretty bummed about the ankle.

 

[ThisGuy2]

Well here is the thing man, and I guess I didn't state this clearly enough in the story. She doesn't work for the gym. She is just some lady who is in pretty good shape and tells everyone she is a "private" personal trainer and a judge for most of the San Diego bodybuilding competitions. Well, everyone knows that's a load of bullsh*t, and most of us just let her talk, but I had enough yesterday. Talk out your ass all you want, but don't insult me in front of my bros and bunch of girls. Them's fighting words.

I think a few people have asked her why she isn't working with her clientele if she is a personal trainer, I haven't ever heard a good answer from her. The sad thing is, is she is like twice my age. It's not like me to put someone on blast like that, but enough was enough.

Yea, I can be a psycho in the gym sometimes, but it's the only real weight room around here and I could give a sh*t what other people think of me. I sometimes have to let out a yell to get up 400+ lbs deads or that 15th rep when I am squatting, but screw it, let them come over and lift with me if it's so damn easy to pick that sh*t up. I kinda just feel like if someone doesn't like it, they can go train at jazzercise with my mom. I ain't going nowhere and I ain't getting any smaller. Just wait for me to get on the Epistane. I bet I have some funny stories coming up! :twisted:

Watch out, bro. I may just have a short fuse regularly, but on epi I have the tendency to get VERY short with people.

 

[ThisGuy2]

Wow dude, then that's even more retarted... I probably would have had my ipod on too loud to hear her talking to me anyway.

I was going to say you should have squirted some XTend in her eye... but man... what a waste of BCAAs.

Going to blow up the back tonight... Pretty bummed about the ankle.

Dude, after the whole discussion over Xtend earlier in the thread, now you want him to start squirting people in the eye??? :toofunny:

 

[TimberLakers]

Dude, after the whole discussion over Xtend earlier in the thread, now you want him to start squirting people in the eye??? :toofunny:

Nothing wrong with a little eye squirting.

Canned the gym tonight... Ankle is pretty bad...

Go Lakers.

 

[GMG760]

Watch out, bro. I may just have a short fuse regularly, but on epi I have the tendency to get VERY short with people.

I noticed a difference on MMV2. I got particularly snappy once, but I realized what was up and had better control once I realized why I was so pissed.

I'm kinda looking forward to the aggression on it. :aargh:

Still, good advice, and I'll be sure to keep in mind what I am putting into my body.

Things like Monday don't happen much to me, but we'll see what happens when I am on the sauce.

 

[GMG760]

Nothing wrong with a little eye squirting.

Canned the gym tonight... Ankle is pretty bad...

Go Lakers.

:rofl:

I'll just have to make sure to buy some Paravol before I see her next...

eww. :toofunny:

Hope your ankle feels better bro.

 

[TimberLakers]

:rofl:

I'll just have to make sure to buy some Paravol before I see her next...

eww. :toofunny:

Hope your ankle feels better bro.

Thanks man. Feels a little better today, but still a lot of pain. I'll tape it tonight before I go to lift.

I've been reading every night for the past couple days. I think I've decided on a 30 H-bol cycle w/ 6 weeks of PCT. I will create a thread outlining my plan, and will obviously run a log on that thread. I would expect to see you there. :hammer:

I read too many complaints and questionable results from LG, and it looks like H-bol will help me add the last bit of mass that I'm looking for quite safely. To be honest, I don't want to run a cutting cycle, because I'm just finishing this AP / RC cycle and I'm pretty cut up already... 176!!!

Thoughts?

 

[GMG760]

Thanks man. Feels a little better today, but still a lot of pain. I'll tape it tonight before I go to lift.

I've been reading every night for the past couple days. I think I've decided on a 30 H-bol cycle w/ 6 weeks of PCT. I will create a thread outlining my plan, and will obviously run a log on that thread. I would expect to see you there. :hammer:

I read too many complaints and questionable results from LG, and it looks like H-bol will help me add the last bit of mass that I'm looking for quite safely. To be honest, I don't want to run a cutting cycle, because I'm just finishing this AP / RC cycle and I'm pretty cut up already... 176!!!

Thoughts?

What company makes H-bol? I recommend using H-drol by Competitive Edge Labs. It's a good deal and is what most people recommend around these parts. It is what I will be running when I run a halodrol compound... (I already have 4 bottles :twisted: )

Just realize that you are probably going to want to run a higher dose of the Halodrol compound than is recommended, most users report good gains around the 75mg to 100mg dosage. Also that it is a compound that kicks in around weeks 3-4, so you will probably want to run it 5-6 weeks, instead of just 3-4. Good choice btw. Make sure you get your SERM before the cycle even begins. You also are going to want some cycle support. Hit me up on AIM and I'll help you out with that.

I still think you should run the superflex by Black China Labs... lol. Superdrol and Pheraplex at the same time anyone? lol... that has to be a fun PCT.

I can't wait to see how it goes. Of course I will be there with ya. I'll let you know how the epistane goes.

 

[TimberLakers]

What company makes H-bol? I recommend using H-drol by Competitive Edge Labs. It's a good deal and is what most people recommend around these parts. It is what I will be running when I run a halodrol compound... (I already have 4 bottles :twisted: )

Just realize that you are probably going to want to run a higher dose of the Halodrol compound than is recommended, most users report good gains around the 75mg to 100mg dosage. Also that it is a compound that kicks in around weeks 3-4, so you will probably want to run it 5-6 weeks, instead of just 3-4. Good choice btw. Make sure you get your SERM before the cycle even begins. You also are going to want some cycle support. Hit me up on AIM and I'll help you out with that.

I still think you should run the superflex by Black China Labs... lol. Superdrol and Pheraplex at the same time anyone? lol... that has to be a fun PCT.

I can't wait to see how it goes. Of course I will be there with ya. I'll let you know how the epistane goes.

Sorry dude, thats what I meant. CEL H-drol. Going to run 75 daily for 30 days (2 bottles). 2 weeks of cycle support beforehand... ZMA and post cycle support for 1st 2 weeks of PCT, then 3 weeks of 6-oxo at 300/200/100... Along with my usual supps during cycle.

 

[TimberLakers]

What company makes H-bol? I recommend using H-drol by Competitive Edge Labs. It's a good deal and is what most people recommend around these parts. It is what I will be running when I run a halodrol compound... (I already have 4 bottles :twisted: )

Just realize that you are probably going to want to run a higher dose of the Halodrol compound than is recommended, most users report good gains around the 75mg to 100mg dosage. Also that it is a compound that kicks in around weeks 3-4, so you will probably want to run it 5-6 weeks, instead of just 3-4. Good choice btw. Make sure you get your SERM before the cycle even begins. You also are going to want some cycle support. Hit me up on AIM and I'll help you out with that.

I still think you should run the superflex by Black China Labs... lol. Superdrol and Pheraplex at the same time anyone? lol... that has to be a fun PCT.

I can't wait to see how it goes. Of course I will be there with ya. I'll let you know how the epistane goes.

Would love some advice on the SERM... If needed in addition to PCT.

 

[ThisGuy2]

Would love some advice on the SERM... If needed in addition to PCT.

I agree with Garrett on this. I ran CEL's Hdrol and the effects started to hit between week 3 and 4. 6 is the magic number.

Since it's your first cycle, you can even get away with starting a little lower...maybe at 50mg the first week or two, and work your way up. You can expect lean, dry gains and some strength increase. Make sure whichever support your running has sufficient milk thistle, because halo is hepatoxic, particular in higher doses.

For PCT I suggest doing things differently. First, the SERM is absolutely essential. If you don't subscribe to the clomid camp, just make sure you have nolvadex on hand. PM me if you have any questions.

You should be running it like this over a span of 4 (not 6) weeks:
40/40/20/20 or 40/30/20/10
Research PCT's a little and see which you prefer. I personally use the first, and always have with success. As for the AI, there is a lot of contradictory info on the proper way to run it, but most have come to at least 1 consensus...namely that you want to ramp up as you ramp down the SERM. Otherwise you could have too much free test, which could result in libido issues. Likewise, you don't want to stop at a high dose, because you haven't given your body a chance to adjust the levels. Thundergod recently suggested this to me, and I'l be employing it in my next PCT: 100/200/300/200/100, starting week 3. Then, I like Diesel Test Hardcore starting 3 days out from the end of the cycle and following the directions. This stuff REALLY helps you get your test levels back, and I won't even go into what it does to your libido. Suffice it to say that you'll be squirting Xtend into ladies eyes almost at random.

So all in all, here's the PCT I run:

Nolva 40/40/20/20
*(optional) Clomid 100/100/50/50
6-oxo -/-/100/200/300/200/100
Diesel Test (max 4 caps daily)

And always make sure to continue milk thistle throughout PCT as nolva works on the liver. Oh, and don't forget Hawthorn berry for BP while on cycle.

 

[TimberLakers]

I agree with Garrett on this. I ran CEL's Hdrol and the effects started to hit between week 3 and 4. 6 is the magic number.

Since it's your first cycle, you can even get away with starting a little lower...maybe at 50mg the first week or two, and work your way up. You can expect lean, dry gains and some strength increase. Make sure whichever support your running has sufficient milk thistle, because halo is hepatoxic, particular in higher doses.

For PCT I suggest doing things differently. First, the SERM is absolutely essential. If you don't subscribe to the clomid camp, just make sure you have nolvadex on hand. PM me if you have any questions.

You should be running it like this over a span of 4 (not 6) weeks:
40/40/20/20 or 40/30/20/10
Research PCT's a little and see which you prefer. I personally use the first, and always have with success. As for the AI, there is a lot of contradictory info on the proper way to run it, but most have come to at least 1 consensus...namely that you want to ramp up as you ramp down the SERM. Otherwise you could have too much free test, which could result in libido issues. Likewise, you don't want to stop at a high dose, because you haven't given your body a chance to adjust the levels. Thundergod recently suggested this to me, and I'l be employing it in my next PCT: 100/200/300/200/100, starting week 3. Then, I like Diesel Test Hardcore starting 3 days out from the end of the cycle and following the directions. This stuff REALLY helps you get your test levels back, and I won't even go into what it does to your libido. Suffice it to say that you'll be squirting Xtend into ladies eyes almost at random.

So all in all, here's the PCT I run:

Nolva 40/40/20/20
*(optional) Clomid 100/100/50/50
6-oxo -/-/100/200/300/200/100
Diesel Test (max 4 caps daily)

And always make sure to continue milk thistle throughout PCT as nolva works on the liver. Oh, and don't forget Hawthorn berry for BP while on cycle.

Wow, I still have some work to do...

Looks like the SERMs are controlled substances - i.e. I'm kind of on my own to figure out where to get Nolva or clomid?

Would you suggest running the cycle support throughout the cycle? Its supposed to have all the necessary ingredients? Or is this something I should just run for 2 weeks before the cycle starts? Could I save a couple bucks just by buying milk thistle and hawthorn berry and running both throughout cycle and PCT?

Would there be any increased risk in running H-drol for 6 weeks at something like 50/50/75/75/75/100? 50/75/75/75/100/100? The most expensive part of the cycle seems to be the PCT anyway, whats one more bottle of H...

6-oxo is the AI?

And last question (for now) - Diesel Test you run on the 3rd day of the PCT for 6 weeks?

Sorry Garrett for blowing up your thread.. Just want to make sure I get informed and everything situated before I take the plunge.

 

[ThisGuy2]

Wow, I still have some work to do...

Looks like the SERMs are controlled substances - i.e. I'm kind of on my own to figure out where to get Nolva or clomid?

Would you suggest running the cycle support throughout the cycle? Its supposed to have all the necessary ingredients? Or is this something I should just run for 2 weeks before the cycle starts? Could I save a couple bucks just by buying milk thistle and hawthorn berry and running both throughout cycle and PCT?

Would there be any increased risk in running H-drol for 6 weeks at something like 50/50/75/75/75/100? 50/75/75/75/100/100? The most expensive part of the cycle seems to be the PCT anyway, whats one more bottle of H...

6-oxo is the AI?

And last question (for now) - Diesel Test you run on the 3rd day of the PCT for 6 weeks?

Sorry Garrett for blowing up your thread.. Just want to make sure I get informed and everything situated before I take the plunge.

Not to worry, dude. I'm still asking questions and learning even as recently as this morning. That's the whole point, to educate yourself before committing your body to something without the proper preperation in place.

My understanding is that cycle support has everything you need in the right quantities, but I've always been able to find ancillaries cheaper, so I've never used it. You should be starting both (hawthorn and milk, or CS, whichever way you go) at 2 weeks prior, then run throughout the cycle. You can stop the hawthorn berry when you begin pct, but continue the milk thistle throughout to protect you from the nolva and/or clomid.

I think the first dosing scenario you listed probably would be best. You may not even need to go up to 100mg, as it's your first run. Play it by ear, listen to what your body is saying, and watch how your gains are coming. You'll know if you really need more or not.

6-oxo is the AI. There have been lots of people who have killed their libido during pct by not dosing it properly (myself included). I suggest you include an AI, but recommend either the dosing scheme I listed, or that you research and find a suitable one that appears similar in terms of ramping. Some people recommend dosing the AI at 300/300/600/600...I DO NOT recommend you do this, because you're finishing on too high a dose for your HPTA to rebound propberly.

The best way to include the DTH, per Chuck Diesel's recommendation, is to begin taking 3 caps per day on the last three days of your cycle (before getting to PCT), then just follow the instructions on through to the end of pct. I think you'll be able to stay at 4 caps, which will help your test production, and allow you to stretch the bottle to the end of the pct.

 

[TimberLakers]

Not to worry, dude. I'm still asking questions and learning even as recently as this morning. That's the whole point, to educate yourself before committing your body to something without the proper preperation in place.

My understanding is that cycle support has everything you need in the right quantities, but I've always been able to find ancillaries cheaper, so I've never used it. You should be starting both (hawthorn and milk, or CS, whichever way you go) at 2 weeks prior, then run throughout the cycle. You can stop the hawthorn berry when you begin pct, but continue the milk thistle throughout to protect you from the nolva and/or clomid.

I think the first dosing scenario you listed probably would be best. You may not even need to go up to 100mg, as it's your first run. Play it by ear, listen to what your body is saying, and watch how your gains are coming. You'll know if you really need more or not.

6-oxo is the AI. There have been lots of people who have killed their libido during pct by not dosing it properly (myself included). I suggest you include an AI, but recommend either the dosing scheme I listed, or that you research and find a suitable one that appears similar in terms of ramping. Some people recommend dosing the AI at 300/300/600/600...I DO NOT recommend you do this, because you're finishing on too high a dose for your HPTA to rebound propberly.

The best way to include the DTH, per Chuck Diesel's recommendation, is to begin taking 3 caps per day on the last three days of your cycle (before getting to PCT), then just follow the instructions on through to the end of pct. I think you'll be able to stay at 4 caps, which will help your test production, and allow you to stretch the bottle to the end of the pct.

Awesome information man... Appreciate very much.

I saw your PM. I'll email you from home. Don't want to drag my work email into this "situation".

 

[ThisGuy2]

Awesome information man... Appreciate very much.

I saw your PM. I'll email you from home. Don't want to drag my work email into this "situation".

No problem!

 

[TimberLakers]

By the way dudes...

1. Why don't people worry about estrogen build up DURING the cycle? Probably a rookie question, but hey... Guilty.

2. I can't wait to finish this casein so I never have to drink it again. I will immediately log into NP and buy 4 jugs of muscle milk.

3. Bought an ACE ankle brace, and lubed my ankle up with Ultra Strength Tiger Balm... walked over to Subway for a 6 inch double turkey on wheat and an AP... Feeling a lot better. Felt like an ass at the gym tonight with an ankle brace on, but f*** it - got in a sick back / bi workout.

Garrett, what's crackin? Back on the burgers and ice cream? Holla back.

 

[GMG760]

By the way dudes...

1. Why don't people worry about estrogen build up DURING the cycle? Probably a rookie question, but hey... Guilty.

2. I can't wait to finish this casein so I never have to drink it again. I will immediately log into NP and buy 4 jugs of muscle milk.

3. Bought an ACE ankle brace, and lubed my ankle up with Ultra Strength Tiger Balm... walked over to Subway for a 6 inch double turkey on wheat and an AP... Feeling a lot better. Felt like an ass at the gym tonight with an ankle brace on, but f*** it - got in a sick back / bi workout.

Garrett, what's crackin? Back on the burgers and ice cream? Holla back.

Burgers and Ice cream... damn dude, I am one update behind. I did abs and cardio today. lol. I'll catch everything up tomarrow.

BTW timber, you need Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) for your PCT. A SERM is manditory for Hdrol. No ***** tits for us, remember?

Estrogen buildup can lead to increased gains, but it also bloats you. It just depends what you are going for. I mean, Epistane is a Steroidial AI of the Epthio group, it doesn't cause a raise in Estrogen. Mainly the "Wet" steroids do this.

I shot a 13 hour clothing catelogue photoshoot today... give me a break on the posting. My puppy is a handfull as well. And I am 3 hours behind you guys on the east coast. I post after you go to bed sometimes.

You are a P*ssy about the casein. A P*ssy with a capitol P.

But the PCT that was set up for you was a great one, I would follow that as far as PCT goes, 40/40/20/20, and then the 6-0X0. Dude, just get cycle support... it has a bunch of ingredients that you need in one simple supp.

 

[GMG760]

By the way dudes...

1. Why don't people worry about estrogen build up DURING the cycle? Probably a rookie question, but hey... Guilty.

2. I can't wait to finish this casein so I never have to drink it again. I will immediately log into NP and buy 4 jugs of muscle milk.

3. Bought an ACE ankle brace, and lubed my ankle up with Ultra Strength Tiger Balm... walked over to Subway for a 6 inch double turkey on wheat and an AP... Feeling a lot better. Felt like an ass at the gym tonight with an ankle brace on, but f*** it - got in a sick back / bi workout.

Garrett, what's crackin? Back on the burgers and ice cream? Holla back.

Check your email dood.

 

[GMG760]

Wow, I still have some work to do...

Looks like the SERMs are controlled substances - i.e. I'm kind of on my own to figure out where to get Nolva or clomid?

Would you suggest running the cycle support throughout the cycle? Its supposed to have all the necessary ingredients? Or is this something I should just run for 2 weeks before the cycle starts? Could I save a couple bucks just by buying milk thistle and hawthorn berry and running both throughout cycle and PCT?

Would there be any increased risk in running H-drol for 6 weeks at something like 50/50/75/75/75/100? 50/75/75/75/100/100? The most expensive part of the cycle seems to be the PCT anyway, whats one more bottle of H...

6-oxo is the AI?

And last question (for now) - Diesel Test you run on the 3rd day of the PCT for 6 weeks?

Sorry Garrett for blowing up your thread.. Just want to make sure I get informed and everything situated before I take the plunge.

the first cycle, the 50/50/75/75/75/100 looks good. Bet you see some real results.

 

[TimberLakers]

Check your email dood.

Ooooh, email. Score. Unfornuntately I'm at work, but I'll check when I get home.

Is cycle support taken through the entire cycle? If so, its about 40x as expensive as the thistle and berry from vitamins.com... but I'll do it if it's a better idea.

 

[GMG760]

Ooooh, email. Score. Unfornuntately I'm at work, but I'll check when I get home.

Is cycle support taken through the entire cycle? If so, its about 40x as expensive as the thistle and berry from vitamins.com... but I'll do it if it's a better idea.

Cycle support has a lot more in it than Hawthorne berry and milk thistle. if you can get all the supplements in the right doses for cheaper, than go for it. I personally hate eating 30something pills a day and would much rather just drink a single shake, but whatever's clever dude. You might want to check on the Cycle support with and without the red yeast rice in it... I know the red yeast rice is good for you, but it's also hard on the liver... not sure which is the lesser of the 2 evils.

Yes, you take cycle support throughout the cycle. I would suggest pre-loading some of the ingredients, if not all of them, esp. the berry and thistle 2 weeks prior to your cycle, just so everything is already running smooth.