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Misery loves company.

Sorry could not resist.

I am afraid to disappoint some of you guys that have already made reservations in "Hades hotel". There is the very good possibility that over the rest of your lives you may see things differently then you do today.

The greatest author of scripture in the New Testament is Paul.

"Paul was a bigoted rabbi, violently opposed to the early Christians and to any suggestion that a condemned criminal could possibly be the promised Messiah. What was it that transformed him into one of the greatest Christian missionaries and writers of all time? Luke, one of his closest friends, tells us in Paul's own words that it was because he had met the risen Christ (Acts 26:12-18). And we have Paul's own written testimony. In his first letter to the church in Corinth, after listing some of the people known to him to whom Christ had appeared after his resurrection, he adds, "last of all he appeared to me also" (1 Corinthians 15:8)."
 
Misery loves company.

Sorry could not resist.

I am afraid to disappoint some of you guys that have already made reservations in "Hades hotel". There is the very good possibility that over the rest of your lives you may see things differently then you do today.

The greatest author of scripture in the New Testament is Paul.

cheers b

i wouldn't say just yet that i have confirmed reservations but i've been informed that my booking is pending.

until then, i just keep being the best darn human being that i possibly can be and treat others the way i want to be treated.

"Do unto others as you would have them do to you". Luke 6:31

or

I’m just trying to be a better person. My Name is Earl - my name is earl s01e01

:thumbsup:
 
Well in todays world of a more relaxed society, you are right about some christians acting completly stupid and sinning and thinking they are ok because they said sorry. It is my belief they are not safe. When I screw up, I will it takes me at least a week before I feel right before God again. There is no, I'm sorry its all better. Those who believe that I believe are in great danger. And they give christians a bad name.

Now let me say, there are days that come by where I may make a mistake and hang my head in shame. Temptation usually comes to christians lot harder than a does a secular person becase we tend to view it as spiritual warefare. In a sense a certain temptation, lets say sex (i have done without this one for a long long long time... I need to get married LOL) Since I have done that back in my past, I always have that desire. Well to me it is bad and sinful, thus it is forbidden.

Human nature wants what it cant have so much more than what it can have. Forbidden fruit is the best, no?

So to a secular person it is life, sex that is, and not in turn a temptation as much as a normal act for them.

For christians, and I will use the argument of our belief that the devil is our enemy, we face him. He brings the temptaion and whispers in our mind, and builds up that desire, and we have to cast it out. It is more of a struggle than some people can imagine. My friends at work always give me compliments because they cant go 3 days without it...and I am working on 2 years thus far, and Wont be making that mistake at all. Just looking for my future wife...

You are right about some of them thinking they can act however they want and be safe. And there ar every many stuck up christians... truth is though pride is a sin also, and a christian should never point his nose up at someone.

I do understand though new christians have to break old chains and habits, and I give them a little bit more credit.

I will even poit out some parts of the bible where mankind makes stupid mistakes...

But even the greatest men of God, even in the bible found ways to completly screw things up. "for all fall short of the glory of God". David slept with Bathsheba and murdered her husband, Moses needed anger management and murdered and egyptian earlier in his life, Jonah ignored God until he was stuck in a whales stomach for transport lol... Even his people after being freed from egypt started to complain and grumble, which is why that generation never saw the promised land savve for two I believe(been awhile...) Peter denied Jesus 3 times... a christian should undersand that sin is a bad thing, and that it can oftentimes carry a heavy price. The wages of sin are death. Maybe not physically, but that leaves open spiritual, emotional, financial, relationship....

No one is perfect. My old sunday school teacher had a saying
"They crucified the only perfect man"

I will always make a mistake everyonce in awhile. Sometimes I think God lets it happen to remind me of my humility. Without humility a christian becomes overtaken with pride, and when that happens...well neither christians or secular folk alike are happy with that person usually...

****This post is based of Zero's personal believes.Hi I am Zero and I aprove this message. Not in part of any organization or doctrin.****:toofunny:

I tried not to come across too bad on this post, I hope I did a better job than usual lol :hammer:

Wouldn't temptation come to you harder because there are more things you can't do? How would the way you view it make it harder to deny?
 
Could he not fuel and give the knowledge to religious people to come up with their ideas and findings? I'm not saying that I believe that, but why do you so sure that what you believe is from God, and if something opposite of your believes than it comes from devil or something? What if there are third way or forth way, that has nothing to do with science or religion? So how can you prove 100% that you have not been tricked?


Jesus was asked the same question!!!

And the best point was made. It would be like bombing our own troops in Iraq instead of the enemy....

IF satan cast out satan, then he would fall. For an empire undivided crumbles!!

Juast as if america blew up america, we lose...
 
Misery loves company.

Sorry could not resist.

I am afraid to disappoint some of you guys that have already made reservations in "Hades hotel". There is the very good possibility that over the rest of your lives you may see things differently then you do today.

The greatest author of scripture in the New Testament is Paul.

Christians love company.Thats why they go on missionaries and scare people into thinking they will go to hell and make them feel bad by saying how jesus died for you.Then they tell you that when you die,you don't die,but live forever and never have to feel like you did in life.And that you will se grandpa again.Basically anything that will scare you,make you feel bad,or feel good and give you something to look forward to after we die cause that is certain to happen.All with the hopes of converting you.B unit and I are joking.We clearly don't believe so why would we honestly think we are going to hell?We have also stated that we aren't too woried about not being let into heaven if it is true due to being a good person even while not having the fear of god.

heres a quote by me;

Jesus never came to me or anyone I know,and the ideas and foundations of any religion are completely impossible-pantera101

Budah is the most believable one cause they claim him to be a man whom you should try and live like,not a god.Then they say he had a golden knob on his head and a thousand spoked wheel for feet.It's like they felt bad misleading people so they gave them a chance to realise how fake it realy is.If magic wasn't proven to be only illusions,then I'd be more prone to belive in a religion.
 
Christians love company.Thats why they go on missionaries and scare people into thinking they will go to hell and make them feel bad by saying how jesus died for you.Then they tell you that when you die,you don't die,but live forever and never have to feel like you did in life.And that you will se grandpa again.Basically anything that will scare you,make you feel bad,or feel good and give you something to look forward to after we die cause that is certain to happen.All with the hopes of converting you.
I know you are joking. But I do believe that some if not all of what you say here sardonically, you truly believe, either in part, or whole based on either your perception or experience or perception of that experience.

In all of my years, before or after becoming a Christian, I have never ever encountered anything at all remotely resembling what you are describing unless they were some extremist or an extremist on TV.

As I stated before, and I will again but differently; "man gives God a bad name". Unfortunately the world is naive or ignorant to know the difference and has and does believe exactly what you have stated based on what they conclude about God and or Christianity by what they see and or hear about it from man.

Just as someone may have given us ideas to believe that may be false that you don't believe support our beliefs of the existence of God or a Christ, so too has someone given you, or other nonbelievers some seriously false ideas to believe what a God fearing God loving life means.

BTW - good morning :)
 
Aye, but there is hope in a relationship with Jesus Christ. Religion has destroyed the world countless times, but never has a relationship with Christ ruined aught but sin.
thats true, however for many a relationship with someone that there is no evidence gives the same sentiment back is almost like being a stalker of the invisible man, no?
 
Dude I agree with pretty much everything you said but would just like to point out a few things. Yes it is true that god loves is unlimited and unconditional. He loves everyone. Gods love does NOT equal access to heaven though. This is were I think a lot of people get hung up. They think that if they are good they will go to heaven. That is a lie straight from hell. You can only escape hell two ways. The first would be to not sin. The second would be to accept Jesus as your personal Saviour. You CAN be a rapist, murderer, and thief and go to heaven while on the other hand a person can live a almost perfect life and go straight to hell. God set the bar at an unreachable level on purpose.


I have a problem with God's standards if he accepts murderous pedophiles that believe in him, but rejects people who do good but do not.
 
I have a problem with God's standards if he accepts murderous pedophiles that believe in him, but rejects people who do good but do not.

Exactly.

I am an Atheist. I find it ridiculous to believe that if you murder, rape, steal, etc. all your life, then you are about ready to die, you can THEN put your faith in this so-called God and then everything is A-OK and you're off to this so-called heaven.
 
cryingemo, have you read the book, "God: The Failed Hypothesis" ???? i ask because i just started reading it and one of your quotes was from that book....
 
KingMeso said:
I have a problem with God's standards if he accepts murderous pedophiles that believe in him, but rejects people who do good but do not.

Exactly.

I am an Atheist. I find it ridiculous to believe that if you murder, rape, steal, etc. all your life, then you are about ready to die, you can THEN put your faith in this so-called God and then everything is A-OK and you're off to this so-called heaven.
This is so very often the extreme observation made by non believers.

As a Christian I believe that I am accepted and forgiven and that grace has saved me from my past offenses. I am absolutely in no way licensed to continue to perpetuate those same terrible behaviors once, twice or ever with the assumption that I am forgiven perpetually.

Any Christian who does so is a mockery of the grace that he received and should be judged accordingly. Please don't be so assumptive that that is what a Christian is or does. Those who continue to act in that manner are absolute and complete blasphemers and mockers of Christ and will be considered worthy of judgment.

As a Christian I have faith that I am forgiven and accepted for whatever sin I may perpetrate in the future. I have faith...I have no proof today that I will not go straight to hell as a result, nor do I have proof that I won't.

Again your observation is based on perverted information and you have as much proof as I do that you are right in yours and I am in mine. These are not facts in either of our scenarios.
 
I have a problem with God's standards if he accepts murderous pedophiles that believe in him, but rejects people who do good but do not.

The acknowledgement that God exist, or belief in God is not the same as having New Life in Christ. These are two totally different things, and this has been covered again and again and again within this thread.

One can acknowledge that God exist and still be just as lost as the most ardent atheist. That being said people who are alive in Christ are not murdering pedophiles.

A mudering pedophile is someone who is still living by his old, dead, Adamic, nature. Can someone who was once a murdering pedophile obtain a new nature through Christ, yes if they come to Christ with a repentant spirit and realize how horrible they really are, and wish to turn from that.

Now this also hits on things that we have already talked about within this thread. What is a sin? Many unbelievers within this thread have already made it clear that murder and rape is a part of human nature, and isn't really wrong, if in fact it is accepted within your culture. So we seem to have a double standard:

On one hand we damn God for saving someone who is the victim of his human nature, but on the other hand we say that there is no such thing as sin?

Does this make sense?

Throughout this thread we have heard the sentiment:

If there is a God then I am certainly in His good graces, becaues I am nice and good to the Earth. Then we hear there is no such thing as sin, followed by if God saves pedophiles then screw Him.

If there is a God then there is a standard of good and evil, and this standard is His, not ours. Again our standard of good in the West (based on Judeo-Christian values) is to treat others as we wish to be treated. However, in some ancient civilization or some stone age tribe in the jungle their standard of good may be totally different. So if there is a God then clearly the standard that should be followed is His, not ours, as ours is clearly up to interpretation.

It is quite clear that His standard is perfection, and that all mankind has missed that mark. If you have lied once, you missed the mark, if you have stolen once, you have missed the mark, etc. There is no one here who has lived a perfect life, because we are incapable of doing so. This is why we are given the opportunity, by God, to have His own life in place of our "human nature". This way we do not have to live in fear, or try to live perfect, or any of that, because Christ has done it all, and we reap the benefits by placing our trust in Him.

Again, this thread has demonstrated quite successfully the total lack of understanding of the Bible by people who are so convinced that its content has no bearing on their lives. Yes some of the folks here are quite familiar with religious stereotypes, superstitions, and even the practices of the religion of their family, pop culture, or even friends. However, actual familiarity with the Bible is severely lacking, and it is quite frankly a bit silly to have such strong convictions concering something that you know very little about.
 
The acknowledgement that God exist, or belief in God is not the same as having New Life in Christ. These are two totally different things, and this has been covered again and again and again within this thread.

One can acknowledge that God exist and still be just as lost as the most ardent atheist. That being said people who are alive in Christ are not murdering pedophiles.

A mudering pedophile is someone who is still living by his old, dead, Adamic, nature. Can someone who was once a murdering pedophile obtain a new nature through Christ, yes if they come to Christ with a repentant spirit and realize how horrible they really are, and wish to turn from that.

Now this also hits on things that we have already talked about within this thread. What is a sin? Many unbelievers within this thread have already made it clear that murder and rape is a part of human nature, and isn't really wrong, if in fact it is accepted within your culture. So we seem to have a double standard:

On one hand we damn God for saving someone who is the victim of his human nature, but on the other hand we say that there is no such thing as sin?

Does this make sense?

Throughout this thread we have heard the sentiment:

If there is a God then I am certainly in His good graces, becaues I am nice and good to the Earth. Then we hear there is no such thing as sin, followed by if God saves pedophiles then screw Him.

If there is a God then there is a standard of good and evil, and this standard is His, not ours. Again our standard of good in the West (based on Judeo-Christian values) is to treat others as we wish to be treated. However, in some ancient civilization or some stone age tribe in the jungle their standard of good may be totally different. So if there is a God then clearly the standard that should be followed is His, not ours, as ours is clearly up to interpretation.

It is quite clear that His standard is perfection, and that all mankind has missed that mark. If you have lied once, you missed the mark, if you have stolen once, you have missed the mark, etc. There is no one here who has lived a perfect life, because we are incapable of doing so. This is why we are given the opportunity, by God, to have His own life in place of our "human nature". This way we do not have to live in fear, or try to live perfect, or any of that, because Christ has done it all, and we reap the benefits by placing our trust in Him.

Again, this thread has demonstrated quite successfully the total lack of understanding of the Bible by people who are so convinced that its content has no bearing on their lives. Yes some of the folks here are quite familiar with religious stereotypes, superstitions, and even the practices of the religion of their family, pop culture, or even friends. However, actual familiarity with the Bible is severely lacking, and it is quite frankly a bit silly to have such strong convictions concering something that you know very little about.

On the point that keeps coming up of an isolated tribe in Africa, South America or wherever, it is not right if it causes harm. So does killing someone cause harm? Yes. Does having sex with a child cause harm? Yes. Society can be f***ed up and to let society deem what is right is absolutely ludicrous. I think this makes more sense then treat everyone as you would like to be treated.
 
On the point that keeps coming up of an isolated tribe in Africa, South America or wherever, it is not right if it causes harm. So does killing someone cause harm? Yes. Does having sex with a child cause harm? Yes. Society can be f***ed up and to let society deem what is right is absolutely ludicrous. I think this makes more sense then treat everyone as you would like to be treated.

***The following is a brief message from zero and only represents his BELIEFS and opinions dont shoot at him....***

None of those are right my fiend. But conisder that some people change, and if you add in the spiritual realm sometimes people were not in full control per say...

A young man who is high on drugs rapes a woman. He made a mistake, will probably pay the price in this life with jail time or worse. Does he deserve eternal damnation? Seperation from the father? Or in what little time he has left can he try to make things right with society.

Does someone who kills two people because he is in a gang deserve eternal damnation? He may break out of that gang, find Christ, try to live a right life. Be a part of his community, help every one he can, and he will most likely never forgive himself for his past.

Now forgiveness comes with change. If you say please forgive me, but you dont mean it, it does you no good. So the idea of praying on your death bed...a gamble way to big for people to take. IMO


Also about some lost tribe in Afrika, people are only held accountable to God "IF" they are given the chance to know Christ, but choose not to. So if they are never given the chance, they are not held accountable. This is what I was taught.
 
CryingEmo said:
Again your observation is based on perverted information and you have as much proof as I do that you are right in yours and I am in mine. These are not facts in either of our scenarios.

You don't sound very faithful...
Do you even know what faith means?

"Now FAITH is the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for, the EVIDENCE of things UNSEEN."

What part don't you get?

I have tremendously faithful considering there is zero proof...aside from what is implied in the definition.
 
It is quite clear that His standard is perfection, and that all mankind has missed that mark.

i see it or hear time and time again about how "perfect" god is yet god created such imperfection, how can something so imperfect be created by something so perfect?

for something to be labelled as perfect there can be no imperfections whatsoever, imperfection does not come from perfection.

the only thing that can come from perfection is perfection.

it could be said that it's all just purefiction!

just to make it 100% crystal clear once again, i have an agnostic view on things.
 
Repent: Some have taught that "repent" was a command used by the Roman military which called for a turn of 180 degrees, an "about face." Likewise, to "repent" of one's sins, then, was to make a turn away from them towards God.

Try a google on repentance origin latin greek
 
i see it or hear time and time again about how "perfect" god is yet god created such imperfection, how can something so imperfect be created by something so perfect?

for something to be labelled as perfect there can be no imperfections whatsoever, imperfection does not come from perfection.

the only thing that can come from perfection is perfection.

it could be said that it's all just purefiction!

just to make it 100% crystal clear once again, i have an agnostic view on things.
Come on b. He created you perfectly and exactly the way He intended. There is no obligation of perfection implied simply because of His perfection.

There can be only one. :)
 
Come on b. He created you perfectly and exactly the way He intended. There is no obligation of perfection implied simply because of His perfection.

There can be only one. :)

cheers for the kind words there big B but i'm far from perfection.

i was referring to the world in general that is his creation, the ideal was perfection but the outcome has been far from it.

i'll say once again though that if having jesus in one's life makes them a better, more compasionite and caring person then i'm all for it. However if one does not have jesus in their life yet they are truely caring, compassionate and strive to be better people then i'm all for that too.

being better people is what it's all about for me so whatever gets you there suits me.

respect to all here posting on this thread or rjust simply reading it.
:thumbsup:
 
Created - Joseph

Joseph - fathered Jose
Jose - fathered Joe
Joe - fathered J
J - fathered J-J
J-J - fathered J-Dog
J-Dog - fathered J-Bone
J-Bone - fathered J-Nizzle
J-Nizzle - fathered J-Nizzle-Ma-Drizzle

My analogy is that the creation was pure or perfect long before we destroyed the foundation it was created on and then built it up in our own image. JMHO.
 
I know you are joking. But I do believe that some if not all of what you say here sardonically, you truly believe, either in part, or whole based on either your perception or experience or perception of that experience.

Just as someone may have given us ideas to believe that may be false that you don't believe support our beliefs of the existence of God or a Christ, so too has someone given you, or other nonbelievers some seriously false ideas to believe what a God fearing God loving life means.

BTW - good morning :)

I do believe that.Maybe not to that extreme,but I sometimes wonder if religion was invented to make people live better lives.Whether it's true or made up,it's definately to help people lead better lives.If you're trying to make something to make the world a better place,you need as many followers as possible or it does absolutely no good.And everyone,including me,feels better when someone has the same beliefs cause it gives a sence of validity to your beliefs.Although one of my favorite quotes is;"sometimes majority only means all the fools are on the same side."

I actually started questioning religion on my own way before I ever heard anyone question it.I was actually shocked to see others agree.As I am in this thread.We ironically have more non believers than believers in here.I'm willing to bet it's the other way around as to members to this site.We might have all but a few non believers in here just guessing.I'm sure the rest are christians or other.....

And good afternoon to you kind sir!
 
Ok.... Let me tell just ONE of the reasons why "I" know God exists. Last year I had a demon cast out of me at a church. It wasnt my normal church, I was told to visit by a friend by the evangalist and she didnt even know me.

I get there, go up for prayer and she starts praying like crazy over me... She pushes me to the ground, nothing happens so i am just laying there. Well they pick me up, when they do she said something in tongues and wham, I hit the floor as limp a a ragdoll. It felt like a brick wall slammed through me followed by a rushing water then I was filled with this amazing breeze. And I was empty, no pain, anger, sadness. Just warmth. Then the holy spirit filled the vacancy....Life sure has changed since then...

No print out from a radiomathingy graph, or isse between 2 versions ofthe bible, or theoretical argument can change actual experience. This is why I as in ME know God exists. Not stomping on anyone elses beliefs, but I know what I know. And you know what you know :P
 
Ok.... Let me tell just ONE of the reasons why "I" know God exists. Last year I had a demon cast out of me at a church. It wasnt my normal church, I was told to visit by a friend by the evangalist and she didnt even know me.

I get there, go up for prayer and she starts praying like crazy over me... She pushes me to the ground, nothing happens so i am just laying there. Well they pick me up, when they do she said something in tongues and wham, I hit the floor as limp a a ragdoll. It felt like a brick wall slammed through me followed by a rushing water then I was filled with this amazing breeze. And I was empty, no pain, anger, sadness. Just warmth. Then the holy spirit filled the vacancy....Life sure has changed since then...


No print out from a radiomathingy graph, or isse between 2 versions ofthe bible, or theoretical argument can change actual experience. This is why I as in ME know God exists. Not stomping on anyone elses beliefs, but I know what I know. And you know what you know :P

Well you know how most people would react to that right?That statement.
 
Well you know how most people would react to that right?That statement.


Besides thinking I am crazy? I duno, but God did for me what he did for me. When nightmares that I had for years stop, new things make since, and what some people call "coincidences" happen that are right down the the .01 degree of accuracy to a prayer or need... I can care less.

I learned never to be ashamed, and to be looked upon as crazy is a good thing in this insane world because it means your sane.

I also tried to point out that the "I" know is my beliefs and not like stepping on peoples toes lol.
 
Besides thinking I am crazy? I duno, but God did for me what he did for me. When nightmares that I had for years stop, new things make since, and what some people call "coincidences" happen that are right down the the .01 degree of accuracy to a prayer or need... I can care less.

I learned never to be ashamed, and to be looked upon as crazy is a good thing in this insane world because it means your sane.

I also tried to point out that the "I" know is my beliefs and not like stepping on peoples toes lol.


How do you know god is a 'he'?


:hammer:
 
i see it or hear time and time again about how "perfect" god is yet god created such imperfection, how can something so imperfect be created by something so perfect?

for something to be labelled as perfect there can be no imperfections whatsoever, imperfection does not come from perfection.

the only thing that can come from perfection is perfection.

it could be said that it's all just purefiction!

just to make it 100% crystal clear once again, i have an agnostic view on things.

You ask a theological question, so understand the answer will be steeped in theology as well.

When God created man He gave man dominion over all the world. The world and man were perfect until man sinned, (as a side remark we do not know how long man remained perfect, the Bible does not specify). When man sinned, he introduced sin (which is the opposite of everything that God is God is love, sin is hate, God is perfect, sin is imperfection, God is life, sin is death) into the world and not only rendered it imperfect, but also handed his dominion right over to the one who seduced him.

The Bible says that the whole creation looks forward to the return of Jesus as He is not only the redeemer of man, but also the redeemer of all creation.
 
:woohoo:
How do you know god is a 'he'?


:hammer:


he made man after his own image, and he made Adam. Then later made Eve to give him company and a partner... So Adam was originally made. That and Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is a man...My best guess, God has always been male to me.... that the Bible refers to him as Father....
 
Besides thinking I am crazy? I duno, but God did for me what he did for me. When nightmares that I had for years stop, new things make since, and what some people call "coincidences" happen that are right down the the .01 degree of accuracy to a prayer or need... I can care less.

I learned never to be ashamed, and to be looked upon as crazy is a good thing in this insane world because it means your sane.

I also tried to point out that the "I" know is my beliefs and not like stepping on peoples toes lol.

:toofunny: once again my favorite quote.........:"sometimes majority only means all the fools are on the same side."I feel it properly fits this post.
 
On the point that keeps coming up of an isolated tribe in Africa, South America or wherever, it is not right if it causes harm. So does killing someone cause harm? Yes. Does having sex with a child cause harm? Yes. Society can be f***ed up and to let society deem what is right is absolutely ludicrous. I think this makes more sense then treat everyone as you would like to be treated.

Anything that harms someone is bad, that is a good point. Lying can harm people, stealing can harm people, cheating in a relationship harms people, etc. etc. Just because the person doing the cheating, lying, stealing, etc. can rationalize their activities as being righteous does not make it so. That was my point about man really not being qualified to determine what is right or wrong.
 
the quote about god being able to create a rock even he couldnt lift....


That's actually a popular question of logic that trys to debunk omipotence.


It can be argued by calling it a logical fallacy, like a square circle. It still raises more questions than answers though. And it basically suggests that it's impossible to be omnipotent unless it's possible to do something that we do not have the ability to contemplate (think flatworld: carl sagan 5th dimensional beings).


In the end, you can't really prove or disprove god.
 
In my experience just about every person gets effected by dark, negative energy (or so called demons). For example depression is nothing more than dark energy in your head. This is pretty easy to get rid through meditation, imagine golden light going from the Heavens to the top of your head and burn all the negativity. You can even feel warmth from that light. Esp. if you do it more than once. There's no rolling on the ground or speaking in tongues or any kind of out of body experience. Basically this is the way to connect to God. Even in the Bible it says:"Be quite before God". Means you need to stop your brain from thinking and listen to God, your Soul. And this is what meditation is all about.
 
I learned never to be ashamed, and to be looked upon as crazy is a good thing in this insane world because it means your sane.
I don't think you are crazy, you just tried to push your believes too hard on other people, but you are getting better. :) We are all guilty of that at times.
 
the quote about god being able to create a rock even he couldnt lift....


Well he could create a huge rock, then promise not to lift it. And God always keeps his promises, so technically...He could, but he cant at the same time. He has the power, but made a promise!
 
For example depression is nothing more than dark energy in your head.

Agreed!I have realy realised here lately that alot of times when I'm down and out or just pi$$ed off,theres no need for it and it's realy just my thoughts that contribute to it.I don't meditate,but I do try and think happier thoughts and see the positives and not only the negatives.It's just stupid to live that way but I have always seen the negatives of things.For example something like a baby.You think Ah!She/he's so sute.And I would be thinking so cute and innocent with no clue of what hell lies ahead.And the hating monsters that they will most likely turn into...........

I don't think that now,just giving an example.I hated life from 13-17!17 to present,22,not so bad but have paid for dumb mistakes,and am paying right now.All part of life though.I have learnes alot from those dumb mistakes!
 
Well he could create a huge rock, then promise not to lift it. And God always keeps his promises, so technically...He could, but he cant at the same time. He has the power, but made a promise!

What if he didn't promise and then took tons of growth,test,and slin?
 
In my experience just about every person gets effected by dark, negative energy (or so called demons). For example depression is nothing more than dark energy in your head. This is pretty easy to get rid through meditation, imagine golden light going from the Heavens to the top of your head and burn all the negativity. You can even feel warmth from that light. Esp. if you do it more than once. There's no rolling on the ground or speaking in tongues or any kind of out of body experience. Basically this is the way to connect to God. Even in the Bible it says:"Be quite before God". Means you need to stop your brain from thinking and listen to God, your Soul. And this is what meditation is all about.


Do you think that by opening yourself up unguarded during meditation that you could possibly open yourself up to negative energy?
 
I don't think that now,just giving an example.I hated life from 13-17!17 to present,22,not so bad but have paid for dumb mistakes,and am paying right now.All part of life though.I have learnes alot from those dumb mistakes!

I am still paying for some dumb mistakes... Gyuh!... will be fore about a year or two.
 
Well he could create a huge rock, then promise not to lift it. And God always keeps his promises, so technically...He could, but he cant at the same time. He has the power, but made a promise!


Basically god can do anything, so to say he can't mean he's not omnipotent.


It's a trick question.
 
I am still paying for some dumb mistakes... Gyuh!... will be fore about a year or two.

Lol!I got 5 more months!Then never again!My last mistake was wrecking my car into a main gas line while extremely drunk!How I hit the gas line,IDK!Why I was driving,IDK again.Just way too drunk to think for myself.I knew not to drink and drive and avoided driving or driniking to not mix the two many times before.I just wanted to cross the state line and come back home.My reasoning on why it was ok was just don't get caught!Could have been much worse though.I could of killed others or my dog who was with me,or me,or even worse in my opinion,be a horribly scarred burn victim.I was so drunk I probably wouldn't have known how to get out.I barely remember the wreck and only bits and pieces.I blacked out an event my step mom told me about before I went driving.I still don't remeber it.This happened in april of 07.Sometimes drunken forgetfullnes will come back with time........
 
You ask a theological question, so understand the answer will be steeped in theology as well.

When God created man He gave man dominion over all the world. The world and man were perfect until man sinned, (as a side remark we do not know how long man remained perfect, the Bible does not specify). When man sinned, he introduced sin (which is the opposite of everything that God is God is love, sin is hate, God is perfect, sin is imperfection, God is life, sin is death) into the world and not only rendered it imperfect, but also handed his dominion right over to the one who seduced him.

The Bible says that the whole creation looks forward to the return of Jesus as He is not only the redeemer of man, but also the redeemer of all creation.
Here's how I see it. By creating Earth and people, God put physical laws in place. Without cold there is no heat, without love there is no hate/fear, without God's energy/light there is no dark (demons, if you wish). If people would want to live in total Oneness (God) and perfection in Heaven all of the time there would be no need to create Earth and all the physical things with it's physical laws. I believe we are here to experience all of that. And like I said before in this thread I don't believe in "sin" as something you do against God, because it simply impossible. You can not hurt or damage God. I don't believe in "original sin". If you refer to a sin as something bad you do to another person, than it's another story.
 
Do you think that by opening yourself up unguarded during meditation that you could possibly open yourself up to negative energy?

You are unguarded and opened to negative energy 24/7. There's through meditation and by connecting to God and His awesome energy is how you get protected from all the darkness.
 
In my experience just about every person gets effected by dark, negative energy (or so called demons). For example depression is nothing more than dark energy in your head. This is pretty easy to get rid through meditation, imagine golden light going from the Heavens to the top of your head and burn all the negativity. You can even feel warmth from that light. Esp. if you do it more than once. There's no rolling on the ground or speaking in tongues or any kind of out of body experience. Basically this is the way to connect to God. Even in the Bible it says:"Be quite before God". Means you need to stop your brain from thinking and listen to God, your Soul. And this is what meditation is all about.


Do you think that by opening yourself up unguarded during meditation that you could possibly open yourself up to negative energy?
While I do agree with the "Be still before God" and "A still quite voice"...the Bible does instruct:

Ephesians 6:12-19 (New International Version)

12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

Now I don't disagree with what your concept is about meditation as it surely has a place and a time and all kinds of physical and mental powers. But we does see here the instructions we are given to battle the enemy, whether you identify it as dark energy or some other form of "the opposite of light or positive"

As well Paul again states:

2 Corinthians 10: 1-4

1By the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you—I, Paul, who am "timid" when face to face with you, but "bold" when away! 2I beg you that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of this world. 3For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.

So again I am not suggesting by any means that meditation is without merit. But we are clearly instructed as to who our enemy is and exactly how to battle him where the power to defeat him comes. It very well implies and more so states and instructs that it is a greater power than within us, it is He and His Spirit...not us and our mind or our own ability.

Just some study and discussion is all :)
 
You ask a theological question, so understand the answer will be steeped in theology as well.

When God created man He gave man dominion over all the world. The world and man were perfect until man sinned, (as a side remark we do not know how long man remained perfect, the Bible does not specify). When man sinned, he introduced sin (which is the opposite of everything that God is God is love, sin is hate, God is perfect, sin is imperfection, God is life, sin is death) into the world and not only rendered it imperfect, but also handed his dominion right over to the one who seduced him.

The Bible says that the whole creation looks forward to the return of Jesus as He is not only the redeemer of man, but also the redeemer of all creation.

Thank you for taking some time to answer my question based on your beliefs Dadof2, i can respect that.

however to me, perfect remains perfect and will always be perfect. if it starts out perfect only to become imperfect then it never was perfect as perfect remains perfect forever, that's what makes it perfect.
 
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