bassgod272
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lol, yep. then more terrorism, higher gas prices, and the list goes on. C'MON 2012!!!! it cannot get here soon enough :sad:
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lol, yep. then more terrorism, higher gas prices, and the list goes on. C'MON 2012!!!! it cannot get here soon enough :sad:
AE14
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fair enough my friend, I never say neverI'll concede, but consider that you actually may mean to conclude your statement with..."yet"
AE14
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I will be sitting there with my sunglasses on watching the carnage
B5150
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Zero, I have edited your above post in an attempt to one more time clarify why some are taking you and your statements the way they are or may...myself included. Please understand I am a Christian too but try to always be conscious of my statements in support of my beliefs. Your passion and stewardship is noted and admired.
Manimalia
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Manimalia
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skepticism is my only viable option. i have no way of knowing why this immeasurable circumference came to be. i live by these words that i made for myself, as my own God: "I am the center of an immeasurable circumference. Regardless of what occurs within, I will remain it's center. I'll make due knowing only that."
Zero V
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For the actual project that happened with the rocks,on that I will have to ask the man who did the lecture about and pass the info on to you. but here are some things on carbon dating...and just because it says christian, it actually explains in depth as well as a secular site would what C14 dating is, and what it relies on... and to MY opinion how it is about as accurate as the first musket at 1000 meters at anything older than 1000 years....
It wont change your mind most likely, but does anyone even know what C14 dating is and how it even works when you defend it?
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Just info you can find easy. But I will bug him and get the support you guys demand. Wont see him until wedns, and i can have it most likely by fri.
It wont change your mind most likely, but does anyone even know what C14 dating is and how it even works when you defend it?
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Just info you can find easy. But I will bug him and get the support you guys demand. Wont see him until wedns, and i can have it most likely by fri.
B5150
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But you just did
Seriously. LSU, I am so sorry I missed this post.
Thanks for sharing.
B5150
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The question was a yes or no question. The required response has always been a single word answer. Regardless of this being a yes or had it been a no...best damned post in the whole thread.
Every single other post in this thread including mine have been no more than mental masturbation. But mankind has been jerking off since the beginning of time...whoever, wherever or however it began
Manimalia
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But you just did
Seriously. LSU, I am so sorry I missed this post.
Thanks for sharing.
of course i did! i'm not too mature. but I HAD TO tell the man just how damn SOLID of a post that was. i don't think i could have said it better myself, had i even taken a sufficient amount of time to do so. that's a quality mind he's got there.
Zero V
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It is so much harder online... I cant intereact with a person or watch their eyes.
And I can see what you mean. Confidence in my belief is sometimes an issue i guess, because I give no credit to anything else. I ran the science route when i was younger and found it unreliable. And God has never left me for one second thinking he was not there.
Oddly enough in person I never get this kinda conflict, even with pagans and athiests. I just cannot convey in text, doesnt come out right...
Technically I should rephrase some things such as carbon dating. It is accurate for so long, but limited greatly to 900-1000 years I believe...
B5150
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Zero, I only speak from personal experience. I was as guilty as you and sometimes still am and likely will be again. I mean no harm or disrespect whatsoever. Both sides are guilty. Seriously, I really need to keep my word and stay out of this thread....ban myself? :banned:
Zero V
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lol. I duno what it is, it's just like you are looking at the sun, and some one is arguing with you that it is midnight... To ME everything seems obvious, but to them also everything seems obvious.
I didnt mean to take it too far
""I am suprised no one popped in with philosphy hardcore yet.
When you close your eyes is the table really there, Is it really brown? How do you know you are not seeing brown, and your friend is seeing blue. But society has trained both you and him to call it brown....""
Never again will I take a college course on philosophy....
b unit
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zero, do you have any independent websites that are non religious that disprove carbon dating?
b unit
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yes, reach out with your hand and touch it, if you touch it it's there, if it's not, cut back on the alcohol and drugs!
just like religion has trained you and others on what to believe? (just a question - no offence)
bryan4980
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Actually the last is the 33rd. I am not a Mason just a Wiccan. The OTO however only began from the Freemason's. They are quite a dark group, I mentioned them because I would not be surprised if they were connected to the skull and bones.
Why learn to do OBE's? Well just to learn to expand the mind and body. When I say healing I am talking more toward Reiki, you need a little more than just faith. How is any of this self-fish? Should we not try to better ourselves? I guess the desire to attain knowledge makes us greedy and self-centered, right? So by that logic we should all just be Amish as without the drive to be better you wouldn't be in front of that computer "spreading the word". If you state something is false post up some evidence showing otherwise, or it is just your opinion.
bryan4980
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Hell the Church of Satan doesn't even believe the exists, they just believe in the concept of him. Or so they say.
b unit
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i respect the Amish, i may not share their beliefs but i respect the fact that they are 24/7 dedicated to their beliefs, they stick to themselves and really don't give a sh*t about anyone else's beliefs to the point where they go around telling people they are wrong.
plus they have a very small carbon footprint.
bryan4980
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lol. I duno what it is, it's just like you are looking at the sun, and some one is arguing with you that it is midnight... To ME everything seems obvious, but to them also everything seems obvious.
I didnt mean to take it too far
""I am suprised no one popped in with philosphy hardcore yet.
When you close your eyes is the table really there, Is it really brown? How do you know you are not seeing brown, and your friend is seeing blue. But society has trained both you and him to call it brown....""
Never again will I take a college course on philosophy....
I believe an OBE would help to see things for what they truly are, I have yet to have one hence the "I believe"
pantera101
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Nope.The word satan in satanist is just a metaphor.I read the satanic bible and loved it in high school.I wouldn't realy consider it a religion myself.The most impotant holiday to a satanist is their birthday.You can do whatever you want,whenever you want,as long as you aren't hurting someone or something in anyway against their will.If someone slaps you,beat the sh!t out of them!
I realy enjoyed it and it honestly enlightened me at the time.I did consider myself a satanist for a while,but like I said it's not realy a religion and I don't want to follow something.Although anyone and everyone is a satanist although they wont claim it.Plus you tell someone your a satanist and they think you worship the devil,rape babies,and sacrifice animals while drinking blood.Although these clearly go against the don't hurt someone or something against their will rule.
pantera101
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We arent looking at god and saying he's not there though.Last part is dead on!
EESCHMan
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Some direct criticisms of the C-14 dating technique are:
ChristianAnswers.net states: "Outside the range of recorded history, calibration of the 14C clock is not possible."
This was true back in the 1950s. A team of researchers, headed by Willard F. Libby calibrated the C-14 measuring technique by comparing the measured age of samples from ancient Egypt with their known date. For example, they tested a piece of wood from Pharaoh Zoser's tomb with the known tomb date, which was known to be circa 2700 to 2600 BCE. The agreement was excellent. Since then, extended calibration checks have been made using U.S. bristlecone pine, German and Irish oak, and other species of trees. That work pushed the calibration back well beyond recorded history to 10,000 BP (years before the present.) Other correlations have extended that to 26,000 years BP. It may eventually go back as far as 45,000 years. 6
The Earth's magnetic field has been decreasing. This will increase the level of cosmic rays in the upper atmosphere, generate more C-14, and upset the C-14 dating process.
The earths magnetic field is cyclical in nature. Any affect on the C-14 dating method is corrected by the calibration procedure.
The flood of Noah, as described in Genesis, Chapter 6 to 8, would have upset the carbon balance on earth by burying large amounts of carbon containing plants which became coal, and gas. This would lower the total C-12 in the atmosphere at that time and upset the C-14 dating process.
The Genesis flood is described in Genesis as occurring circa 2349 BCE. Samples from before, during and after the flood whose dates are known through archaeology have been C-14 tested without any difficulty. Either the worldwide flood of Noah did not happen, or it did not create any significant disturbance in the C-12/C-14 balance at the time.
Volcanoes emit a great deal of carbon dioxide which contains very little C-14. Since a massive degree of volcanism occurred during the the flood of Noah, objects which died shortly after the flood would give inaccurate C-14 dating results.
Again, C-14 dating results on objects before, during and after the flood were found to be accurate when the data was compared with dates derived from archaeological evidence. If there was a great deal of volcanism in the 23rd century BCE, it does not show up in the C-14 data.
Radiocarbon dating laboratories often ask what is the expected age of the samples submitted to them. If C-14 dating is really precise, such information would not be needed. ChristianAnswers.net comments: "Presumably, the laboratories know that anomalous dates are common, so they need some check on whether they have obtained a "good" date."
Lab personnel often ask for the approximate age of a specimen in advance of testing, so they can tune their instruments in order to increase the accuracy of the results. They do not ask in order to "cook" the results.
Other criticisms are based on unusual C-14 test results which were obtained from samples who lived in very unusual environments:
C-14 testing of a Lake Bonney seal estimated its age as 615 years ± 100. Yet, it had been killed only a few weeks previous to the measurement. A recently killed seal at McMurdo Sound gave an age of 1,300 years. C-14 results are totally unreliable.
This is caused by the well known "reservoir effect." These particular seals fed "...off of animals that live in a nutrient-rich upwelling zone. The water that is upwelling has been traveling along the bottom [of the ocean] for a few thousand years before surfacing. The carbon dioxide in it came from the atmosphere before the water sank...Thus the carbon in the sea water is a couple of thousand years "old" from when it was in the atmosphere." Its C-14 would have decayed significantly. The plants picked up this "old" carbon; animals eat the plants and pick up "old" carbon; the seals eat the animals and incorporate this "old" carbon in themselves. The seal is killed. The sample taken for C-14 measurement contains partly "old" carbon and partly recent carbon. The instrument reads an apparent year that the seal died, which is older than the actual year. 7
A sample of oil, which evolutionists believe was derived from plants that were living millions of years ago, was C-14 tested and found to be only 50,000 old. C-14 results are totally unreliable.
Fifty millennia is at the absolute limit of the capacity of the C-14 test. The difference in C-14 content between two carbon-containing samples -- one of which is 50 millennia old and the other is many millions of years old -- is minimal. The sample of oil did indeed come from plants that were alive millions of years ago. By now, essentially all of the C-14 atoms would have decayed so that none could be detected. However, very small amount of contamination could generate an apparent age of 50,000 years for the sample. Oil is typically "found within a matrix of sand or shale." The rocks will have some radioactivity which could have created new C-14, contaminated the sample, and produced the results indicated. 8
Shells of just-killed snails from Nevada were C-14 tested and found to be 27,000 years old. Again, C-14 results cannot be trusted.
This is another example of the reservoir effect. These particular snails lived in artesian springs which were "fed by carbonate aquifers. As this water percolated through the enclosing carbonates, it dissolved limestone and dolomite hundreds of millions of years old." 9 Essentially all of its C-14 had decayed; there would be little left. Again, the "old" carbon dissolved into the water, and was picked up by the snails when they made their shells. The shells were thus deficient in C-14 and appeared to be millennia old. "The problem caused by the reservoir effect is well known by archaeologists, geologists, and anybody else, who use radiocarbon dates; they test for it and take it into account when interpreting radiocarbon data." 9
Fossilized wood from the Hawkesbury Sandstone in Australia, believed to have been hundreds of millions of years old, was dated by C-14 as 33,720 ± 430 years BP.
One wonders why a sample which most geologists would date to the middle Triassic (225 to 230 millions of years ago) would be tested using C-14. At that age, any C-14 that the wood originally had would have decayed to unmeasurable levels millions of years ago. This particular sample was porous. It would probably have absorbed groundwater containing modern carbon. This slight degree of contamination could have provided sufficient C-14 to give a 33 millennia age. Alternatively, there could have been radioactivity in the surrounding rocks which created some C-14 in the sample. 10
pantera101
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EEESHMAN!You got that all wrong!This is how it goes...........Allright I don't have a damn clue but people thought I was smart for a second!
What is your job and/or education?
What is your job and/or education?
Zero V
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And it goes also to question you just as you have been trained by science and society to have an illusion of freedom and choice?( same )
What we know today as fact will in fact be disproven in 100 years. lol. Remember, it was once a fact the world was flat, it was once a fact the earth was the center of the universe. Until the heliocentric idea brought up by Copernicum..or cus...or something was his name.... What we find comman facts will change. And anything that is at risk of change, is unreliable to ME.
I think in about 5-10 years C14 dating will be more publically argued about, and the idea that scientists are starting to lean towards"intelligent design" due to the statistical impossibility of evolution creating a functional body, mind, and consience of right and wrong like ours and many of their previous beliefs not being as strong anymore...Not saying they are becoming Christian, but they are starting to admit that nature couldnt do this. Just give it time. You will see one more massive world wide revival in the near future. Followed by a massive persecution of them.
And as for the OBE, unless it is a specific thing willed by God you are leaving your body open to any spiritual entity that wanders along... not the healthiest thing in the world, you dont wanna return home to find an unwelcomes guest.
I knew a wiccan, nothing against you personally but you guys play with freaky forces man... I know because before I was Christian I learned a thing or two from one of them. He also played with curses...I am not sure if that is staple for your beliefs or his personal choices because I havent looked into the wiccan belief in a long time.
Has the idea of the false prophets been brought up? In your viewpoint lets say satan exists for a minute, could he not fuel and give the knowledge to scientists to come up with all their ideas and findings? Even satan will heal a lame man if it is a strike against Gods kingdom. So how can you prove 100% that you have not been tricked?
Here, Descartes, his view on that...
""Descartes’ Evil Demon Argument
It is possible that there is an evil demon.
It is thus possible that all of my beliefs are false because I cannot tell when the demon is tricking me.
Since it is possible that all my beliefs are false, they are not absolutely certain.
Thus, there are no beliefs that can serve as a foundation for knowledge""
And
""Cogito ergo Sum!!
He concluded: I think therefore I am.
This was the one thing that he could be certain of – that he exists as a thinking thing.""
pantera101
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It was also once said in the bible that god made the earth the center of the universe and that the sun and all the planets revolved around it.I have heard that several times from different people anyways.Also that the bible was passed on verbally for many years and translated through x amount of languages.That was on channel 13(localy sponsored learning channel).
Zero V
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You know wiki isnt allowed to be used in college? Doesnt count as a viable source of information :dance: eh, just cracking...but its true we cant use it in college for reasons...
lol, but yeah i know there are other forms of dating. Just more arguments though. A scientist has no idea what the atmosphere and pressure and world was like lets sat 5000 years ago, so how can they be sure something hasnt drastically changed since then? Such as maybe the Flood, the biblical one.
ALSO I wanna bring back up why are dinosaurs going through multiple layers of rock that are supposidly hundreds of thousands of years apart? Was I right on my headstand theory?
And if we came from monkeys where are the remains of the millions of in between creatures that would have HAD to exist and die. Convenient that none have been found, therefore evolution is nothing more than a belief just like religion actually...because no proof can be given it works. Actually no linking species have been found.
I will get with the guy I have been refrencing though, and get better info on things for you guys and resources. It will take until at least friday like I said though.
b unit
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i do not believe in the "illusion" of freedom and choice because it's B.S
western society is regulated up past the eye balls, i'm not free to use whatever supps or herbs i want to use - ephedrea for example, i'm not free to live this land, i pay taxes to live where i do even though i don't agree or like where my tax $$$ go, even water has to be paid for, i think the only thing that is free is the air which gets dirtier by the day and we are soon to be faced with a cardon tax for the enviroment, nothing is free.
Zero V
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Real quick I just want to make a point....
I read a ton of books growing up, watched the history channel and discovery channel. I loved science, still do really.
I have spent a ton of time studying astronomy, animals, dinosaurs. Read many books, wrote papers, etc.
How many of you who are questioning the Bible, and Christianity had read and tried it?
I know of one of you who posted you have. But you are basically arguing in a subject you do not know about. I have done my time on the scientific side. I am not saying science doesnt give us some great results, such as medicines, and new technologies(such as our computers).
How many of you who bring up arguments against the Christian beliefs, well debates, I know no one is throwing stones. How man have read it, and therefore know what they are arguing about.
And about the bibles translations. There are many, many scholars who still read it in old greek..... so if any translation was wrong, it would be thrown out. The translations are meant to make it readable in every language. French, english, german, etc.
such as King James Version, old english, really hard for most people to really dig into today. So we now have ones such as NIV, The Message, NKJV. But when placed side by side with the greek texts its all the same just in the local language. Side by side every one is the same. But instead of saying , "peradventure", it says "what if". Nothing gets added or subtracted.
I read a ton of books growing up, watched the history channel and discovery channel. I loved science, still do really.
I have spent a ton of time studying astronomy, animals, dinosaurs. Read many books, wrote papers, etc.
How many of you who are questioning the Bible, and Christianity had read and tried it?
I know of one of you who posted you have. But you are basically arguing in a subject you do not know about. I have done my time on the scientific side. I am not saying science doesnt give us some great results, such as medicines, and new technologies(such as our computers).
How many of you who bring up arguments against the Christian beliefs, well debates, I know no one is throwing stones. How man have read it, and therefore know what they are arguing about.
And about the bibles translations. There are many, many scholars who still read it in old greek..... so if any translation was wrong, it would be thrown out. The translations are meant to make it readable in every language. French, english, german, etc.
such as King James Version, old english, really hard for most people to really dig into today. So we now have ones such as NIV, The Message, NKJV. But when placed side by side with the greek texts its all the same just in the local language. Side by side every one is the same. But instead of saying , "peradventure", it says "what if". Nothing gets added or subtracted.
b unit
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did you ever play a game at school called chinese wispers where the teacher would wisper in a kids ear a phrase and that kid in turn would wisper to the next kid till eventually it went across the class room to the last kid.
what was said at the start and what ended up at the end were totally different.:think:
bigironkiller
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i have to say guys this has been the best thread ive been apart of. someone posted about the movie "what the bleep do we know" so i went to rent it and found out theres a 2nd one called"What the bleep do we know- Down the rabbit hole" i am very excited about seeing the 2nd one as i saw the first a couple years ago. i suugest everyone go check it out
Zero V
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Eh wait until the play a chip in the back of your head... and cameras on every street. Ever play half life 2? I could see america being like that, minus the aliens lol.
pantera101
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Well I believe what they were saying was that it was passed orally,and then translated into different languages.The different languages could of been written,but they were saying it was passed on orally.I could be mistaken,but I remeber seeing that and just being like are you kidding me?I know ion school they told us how only so many people could rerad and they were only ones who read it and I guess they literally wrote it down?I clearly don't know enough wbout it to argue it,maybe someone else will chime in or I'll reaearch it when I get the time.
As for trying christiananity,I was raised that way.I went to church quite a few times.Not religously(no pun.....ok pun)but I have been many times.I started questioning religion at a very young age.It started sometime after learning santa wasn't real.Not right after,I was very young when I found that out.I just started thinking at one point I knew their was santa because I was told their was one and heard stories and talked about him and this and that.What if christianity is like that except the parents aren't in on this lie?Then I felt bad for thinking that and went back,but I shortly changed back to not believing again after furthing questioning to myself.
I had many friends who were christians and even went to church a couple times with them when I didn't believe and they knew it.I go with my parents now on christmas eve not believing,and they too know it.I just go out of respect for them cause it clearly makes them happy.I feel bad sometimes for not being a christian cause my whol family is and I'm sure they think I'll go to hell and wont be with them.I feel I'll be with them.In the ground,but I can understand them thinking that way.I also feel if their is a heaven I will be let in.I'm a good guy and I can't help the way I believe.
Now as far as reading the bible,I tried to and got 19 pages or so cause I was tired of my Dad telling me I never read the bible when we'd get into arguments.Even though he hasn't either.:think:What good is reading it when you don't think it happened?
As for trying christiananity,I was raised that way.I went to church quite a few times.Not religously(no pun.....ok pun)but I have been many times.I started questioning religion at a very young age.It started sometime after learning santa wasn't real.Not right after,I was very young when I found that out.I just started thinking at one point I knew their was santa because I was told their was one and heard stories and talked about him and this and that.What if christianity is like that except the parents aren't in on this lie?Then I felt bad for thinking that and went back,but I shortly changed back to not believing again after furthing questioning to myself.
I had many friends who were christians and even went to church a couple times with them when I didn't believe and they knew it.I go with my parents now on christmas eve not believing,and they too know it.I just go out of respect for them cause it clearly makes them happy.I feel bad sometimes for not being a christian cause my whol family is and I'm sure they think I'll go to hell and wont be with them.I feel I'll be with them.In the ground,but I can understand them thinking that way.I also feel if their is a heaven I will be let in.I'm a good guy and I can't help the way I believe.
Now as far as reading the bible,I tried to and got 19 pages or so cause I was tired of my Dad telling me I never read the bible when we'd get into arguments.Even though he hasn't either.:think:What good is reading it when you don't think it happened?
pantera101
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Exactly!I'll look into it later or someone else can sooner.I am almosty positive thats what I saw on that show which was about gods existance and it was as unbiased as could be.Also that the bible used to say god made the earth the center of the universe
b unit
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zero, you're a good man, i commend you on your strong faith and although i don't agree or believe a lot of it i still respect you none the less. i must say that the heats been on well and truely and a lesser man would have spat the dummy long ago but you my friend have stuck to your guns, cheers dude.
pantera101
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I agree.You should aknowledge in a discusion like this that you can be wrong though instead of just the oppoiste zerov.The possibility is there and it doesn't come off positve to people like me.I know it does at church and all and you clearly believe strongly,but this obvisouly isn't church and their are clearly non believers in here.I also wanted to add to an earlier post that I just remebered about,the reason why many people don't respond face to face like they are in here is because we aren't face to face.I hold back all the time around christians cause it's a form of disrespect I feel.The bad part though is them pushing their beliefs onto me is disrepect to me.I let it go though cause most people are christians.Reps to ya though,I feel others should rep zerov as well.
pantera101
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I did a little reasearch and the earth being flat and being the center of the universe were interpertations.Just like so many other things.I realy seen how some made it seem the earth was flat and that sun revolved around the earth,but it doesn't clearly say it.I did see one say that untill god gave permission to high priest to write the bible,it was passsed orally.
b unit
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Aristotle, an ancient Greek philosopher who lived in the 4th century B.C., said that the Earth was the center of the universe. Everything else--the moon, the Sun, the planets and the stars--moved around the Earth. For hundreds of years, no one questioned this idea, especially when the Roman Catholic Church said that Aristotle was right.
Finally, in 1543, someone DID question the Church's teachings. A Polish astronomer named Nicholas Copernicus said that the Sun was the center of the Universe, and that everything, including the Earth, went around the Sun. If Copernicus was right, the Church was wrong.
The Church, in response, denounced the Copernican system.
Finally, in 1543, someone DID question the Church's teachings. A Polish astronomer named Nicholas Copernicus said that the Sun was the center of the Universe, and that everything, including the Earth, went around the Sun. If Copernicus was right, the Church was wrong.
The Church, in response, denounced the Copernican system.
bryan4980
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To become a Wiccan you must take an oath, part of is the Wiccan Rede. The Rede basically says do what you want as long as it brings harm to none, NO EXCEPTIONS.
In your example if Satan did exist it would not matter as my beliefs are not based on scientists.
You state essentially that nothing is certain, I agree I have stated I am right just that this is what I believe and why. You however state what you believe as fact, are you not undermining your argument?
Another thing in an OBE until your body dies you may always return, however if you look forward to death is this really a concern? Also if we to see the world as a spirit and not as man I believe we would see everything for what it is, and if we can see the truth how would Satan trick us? So wouldn't it make sense for your church to teach how to do OBE's so we can see the truth?
bryan4980
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It sounds by what you are saying that there is still evidence the earth is older than 10,000 years, am I mis-understanding?
pantera101
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Didn't they throw him in jail to silence him?I heard they did and one said he was telling people they were stupid for believing that which is what did it.Either way.........
bryan4980
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The thing is however with science they attempt to find the truth at least with your religion the truth is assumed and not cross checked.
bryan4980
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I believe the bible has its importance, well actually the Tanakh. Have you read that? I have not as English is my only language. I want to Catholic school so I have some knowledge of the bible, not a tremendous amount.
bryan4980
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When the government becomes unjust is is the responsibility of the people to revolt. Or something like that, I forget whose quote that was.
b unit
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Ok I'm through trying to figure this out.If you google did bible say earth was flat you should get one from aol members or something.It was the first option for me.It has a pic of the earth and maybe moon when you open it up top.If someone knows how to link it then please dr tell me how to.I hit insert link and typed what it said up top and it took me to the home page when I tried opening it.
Invalid Link Removed
pantera101
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I don't know why it wouldn't work the first time.It just took me to the homepage.I tried it again and it worked though.Guess I'll erase my link then.You caught me before I erased that post.
bassgod272
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i posted about that. i did not know that there was a second one though! i will DEF go rent it! thanks bro
bassgod272
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they are already implanting RFID chips in humans AND there are MANY cities with cameras on every street corner. :sad:
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