IR and GH frag 176 vs. 177 circa negative 3 yrs?

[Mr.50]

Hey do you guys remember when IR fist started carrying the hGH frag was it the 177 or 176? The reason is at the time I tried it when it first came out I didn't realize there was much of a difference. I used a whole bunch of it from IR and had minimal to no results! I wish I could remember if IR was carrying the 176 at the time and I was a non-responder or something OR if they were carrying the 177 only and that is why I didn't get good results (my understanding is that 177 does not produce as good results for most).

Thanks.

Mr.50

 

[papapumpsd]

Hey do you guys remember when IR fist started carrying the hGH frag was it the 177 or 176? The reason is at the time I tried it when it first came out I didn't realize there was much of a difference. I used a whole bunch of it from IR and had minimal to no results! I wish I could remember if IR was carrying the 176 at the time and I was a non-responder or something OR if they were carrying the 177 only and that is why I didn't get good results (my understanding is that 177 does not produce as good results for most).

Thanks.

Mr.50

Hey 50, I have been told that 176 is extremely fragile and it basically goes to hell in a heart beat if it's not handled extremely carefully (shipping, storate, mfg, etc). I think Bobaslaw brought that to my attention...didn't ya DOOD?!

Anyhow, to my knowledge, 176 is superior to 177 for fat burnin', but I cannot comment on the order of superiority. I believe one of these peptide guru dudes on here posted a study. :hammer:

 

[Bobaslaw]

Hey 50, I have been told that 176 is extremely fragile and it basically goes to hell in a heart beat if it's not handled extremely carefully (shipping, storate, mfg, etc). I think Bobaslaw brought that to my attention...didn't ya DOOD?!

Anyhow, to my knowledge, 176 is superior to 177 for fat burnin', but I cannot comment on the order of superiority. I believe one of these peptide guru dudes on here posted a study. :hammer:

Yes, IR did carry 177 in the very beginning...

and Yes Papa, I got screwed with cloudy frag from IR that did not do anything more than a calorie restriction/training would do for me even at 1500mgs/day...

I will never buy the frag just because of its sensitivity tp bad storage and handling...

BTW papa, you currently have the reputation of the devil, is this some kind of sign?

 

[Mr.50]

Hey 50, I have been told that 176 is extremely fragile and it basically goes to hell in a heart beat if it's not handled extremely carefully (shipping, storate, mfg, etc). I think Bobaslaw brought that to my attention...didn't ya DOOD?!

Anyhow, to my knowledge, 176 is superior to 177 for fat burnin', but I cannot comment on the order of superiority. I believe one of these peptide guru dudes on here posted a study. :hammer:

Thanks Papa! I am trying to see if I should go ahead and order some 176 but like I said I used some frag a few years ago when it first came out and I was not impressed, it was from IR, but I can not be sure if it was 176 or 177.

Mr.50

 

[Mr.50]

BTW papa, you currently have the reputation of the devil, is this some kind of sign?

Ha ha ha, Devil Rep!

So I got to believe that if I got the first batch of frag when it first came out it was probably 177!

The real problem appears to be that 176 is so fragile that even if I was able to order some it might be bunk by the time I receive it.

Will shipping with cold packs, and overnight etc. improve this?

Is there any way to compare 500mcgs per day to a certain number of ius per week of hGH in terms of fat loss?

Thanks guys.

Mr.50

 

[papapumpsd]

Yes, IR did carry 177 in the very beginning...

and Yes Papa, I got screwed with cloudy frag from IR that did not do anything more than a calorie restriction/training would do for me even at 1500mgs/day...

I will never buy the frag just because of its sensitivity tp bad storage and handling...

BTW papa, you currently have the reputation of the devil, is this some kind of sign?

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[papapumpsd]

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FYI only dood

 

[Bobaslaw]

Will shipping with cold packs, and overnight etc. improve this?

Definitely could help with the shipping aspect as far as temp related degradation especially in summer. However when I get cold packed peptides, the packs are hot by the time I get them even in a couple of days, so oh well there.
Also you have to account for the handling. I saw some postal workers and chain delivery guys throw and kick packages, generally just being rough as hell. That does not help.

Is there any way to compare 500mcgs per day to a certain number of ius per week of hGH in terms of fat loss?

No direct comparison can be made that I know of. Most likely because the frag is not the only aspect of GH that is responsible for this action (Gh mediated IGF has synergistic action in this area as well as other possible GH properties that are not fully understod yet).
I have even tried the mathimatical approach (a crude estimate):

assumprions: each amino will have the same molecualr weight in this estimate as the differences will not skew this estimate that much (I do not want to look up all the individual weights of each amino here, argh).

GH Peptide 1-191 is 191 aminos

GH Frag 176-191 is 15 aminos

15 is roughly 8% of 191, thus the frag accounts for about 8% of the weight of GH.

So 3iu of GH = 1g (1000mcg)

Thus 8% of this is the frag portion which is about 80mcg

Now 3iu of GH DEFINITELY produces MUCH greater fat burning IMO than the small 80mcg dose of Frag within the GH peptide at the 3iu dose...

500mcg of frag would be the minimum to use for decent results...

 

[ryano]

I was sent some 177 to test when IR first started carrying frag...ended up throwing it away...I havent seen any real logs from the 176 but I have heard that alot of people have been getting good results from the 176..

Grunt76 might know what the deal is