does god exist

[DmitryWI]

I don't understand why is it always have to one extreme or another? If science proved evolution, then God doesn't exist. Or because some believe in God then evolution is impossible and earth only few thousands years old.
I personally don't believe that humans developed from bacteria and then monkeys or whatever, but it's really ignorant to think that evolution never took place either.

 

[DmitryWI]

i suggest everyone in this thread watch "what the bleep do we know?" it's fvckin awesome and will really make you think.

Yes! And it was filmed here in Portland. If you liked that movie, you should definitely check "The Secret", and "Conversations with God" or there's new one just came out "The Moses Code".

 

[bassgod272]

I don't understand why is it always have to one extreme or another? If science proved evolution, then God doesn't exist. Or because some believe in God then evolution is impossible and earth only few thousands years old.
I personally don't believe that humans developed from bacteria and then monkeys or whatever, but it's really ignorant to think that evolution never took place either.

dude, we have a tail bone. some people are actually born with mini tails because their tail bone is longer than normal. this proves evolution aside from a million other things. we used to need a tail to balance ourselves like monkeys, because we were monkeys. we have evolved since then and no longer need a tail, but the evidence that we DID at one point have them, is still there. i do agree with you about the extremes though. i'm in the middle myself. also, just because evolution occurs, does not mean that there is no higher being than humans. not by a long shot. it would prove that there is no god as in father of jesus christ, yes. but not that there is no other kind of higher being.

 

[bassgod272]

Yes! And it was filmed here in Portland. If you liked that movie, you should definitely check "The Secret", and "Conversations with God" or there's new one just came out "The Moses Code".

hmmm, i'll have to check these ones out. thanks man.

 

[DmitryWI]

Bible says nothing about tail bone, you full of sh*t, tail bones don't exist!
Sorry if it's too mean.

 

[pantera101]

Bible says nothing about tail bone, you full of sh*t, tail bones don't exist!
Sorry if it's too mean.

:toofunny:

 

[DmitryWI]

hmmm, i'll have to check these ones out. thanks man.

"Conversation with God" first came out as a book, then movie and it's my all times favorite book and I read A LOT.

 

[bryan4980]

Well, this is my biggest issue with religion. My religion is the right one, no mine, no you go to hell, no you will. 99% wars, I believe, happened because of that.
When spirituality teaches everyone to respect each other's believes, no matter what they are. And this is exactly what I'm trying to learn myself.

Part of the persons lesson they are here to learn could require them to follow a specific religion or perhaps not following a religion.

 

[bryan4980]

Why not? Wouldn't you get extremely bored? Wouldn't you wanna go back and experience physical things, learn lessons all over again, have fun talking about God at AM.com?

Yeah I guess perhaps, you also have the option to remain as a spirit and screw with people, or visit places that normally you wouldn't be able to.

 

[bryan4980]

not sure they'd believe in god as in the father of jesus christ, but they WOULD look up and believe in some higher being i would imagine. any time a tragedy occurs, whether it be a close friend/family member passing away, 9/11, Katrina, etc. it is human nature to get scared and feel helpless. you wonder "why the fvk did this have to happen? i don't want it to be like this. what caused this? this cannot be real." in moments of despair, grievance, confusion, sadness, depression, etc. we all know that at some point in their life, these kids would face a great tragedy of some sort.

it is MUCH easier to get through these hard times to think "god took them from me to a better place." or "god made this happen for a reason." as opposed to dealing with it without believing in anything and going through the normal stages of getting over it. there are actual stages that humans go through. the first sage is denial if i remember correctly. there are 7 stages i think. it's been a while since i've read about psychology.

Here's my take on tragedy, everything that has happened in your life has made you who you are. Things happen for a reason you can still which way to go, however in most cases the universe tries to nudge you in the right direction, but if you don't listen she smacks you upside the head and hey dumbass over here. When something negative or positive happens in my life I evaluate it and question why did this happen, not why me.

 

[bryan4980]

I don't understand why is it always have to one extreme or another? If science proved evolution, then God doesn't exist. Or because some believe in God then evolution is impossible and earth only few thousands years old.
I personally don't believe that humans developed from bacteria and then monkeys or whatever, but it's really ignorant to think that evolution never took place either.

Here's a concept I have wondered about recently, some people (usually not the most intelligent) claim to have been abducted by aliens, well what if there has been hundreds of societies of man on the earth prior to us but at some point had to leave due to conditions on earth become intolerable. I have heard global warming is actually based on the number of lifeforms exhaling carbon dioxide to the number of plants that breath carbon dioxide. So if that is true eventually the temps on earth would be too high for us to tolerate, however plants adapt. Now what if those previous humans developed a society on another planet, keep in mind they would most likely be much more advanced than us, so if they didn't want to be found they wouldn't. So what if they are coming back now and then to visit us? Or maybe I daydream too much.

 

[bryan4980]

Yes! And it was filmed here in Portland. If you liked that movie, you should definitely check "The Secret", and "Conversations with God" or there's new one just came out "The Moses Code".

Problem with the secret is it is not as simple as they make it out to be. There is extra stuff, Wicca teaches you how to do that and before you can assume the title of high priest or priestess you must demonstrate conclusively that you are capable of creating or attracting a specific item or event to yourself.

 

[bryan4980]

Heres a question for any of those on here that do believe in some religion or creator to some extent. Have you done any meditating and have you experienced any weird effects following that meditation session?

 

[pantera101]

Here's my take on tragedy, everything that has happened in your life has made you who you are. Things happen for a reason you can still which way to go, however in most cases the universe tries to nudge you in the right direction, but if you don't listen she smacks you upside the head and hey dumbass over here. When something negative or positive happens in my life I evaluate it and question why did this happen, not why me.

This just made me think of something thats along these lines and bugs me.I hate the everything happens for a reson saying.Reason being is caues things will happen if you're alive and thats all their is to it.Saying for a reason is just......IDK.You get a GF and everythings great and ya'll stay together forever.You'll be saying yep,everything happens for a reason.Now say that girl cheats and "robs" you instead.Now you'll be saying yep,everything happens for a reason!So amore appropriate saying would be forset gumps,"sh!t happens!"

Same way with when it's your time to go,it's your time.You think!You only die once!Adding that to the facts of life just bugs me.Then some will use it to prove gods existance.I don't think he should of died but he did.I think he should of died,but he didn't.Well that proves it if you or a doc,another human,felt that way and was wrong!

Heres a mind boggler for ya,I just came up with this saying,it's true,and genius.When you have to poop,you have to poop.Sometimes I think he needs to poop but doesn't,other times I think he doesn't need to poop,and then he does.Inevitable facts of life?Or a higher being in control?

 

[AE14]

i have something else to add here. ozarka please elaborate. so, what about all of these african/indian/brazilian/etc tribes that live in the middle of nowhere in tiny little communities or buddhists/polytheistic people/others that do not believe in jesus christ and the bible? because they were raised in a different setting and taught to believe different things, they are going to hell? wtf? if god really is god, then he'd understand the situation and not just say "too bad, you're going to hell."

also, how can you denounce the theory of evolution? lol. i mean do all of the bones lined up in chronological order that CLEARLY show that we evolved from apes, not prove it to you? i am so glad the OP decided to create this thread. i have much to say and discuss regarding this subject reps!

I believe this was answered a few pages back. As a nontheist myself, it would seem that if god sent them to hell it would make ogd vengeful, which would then make god not perfect. SO in essence, by human definition of perfection god would allow them entrance into heaven. therefore, belief in god would not be necessary for entrance into heaven by the same thought.

Man I just figured the whole thing out:hammer:

 

[bigironkiller]

doesnt the bible say that god is everywhere and in everything?? if so why can no proof of his existance be found in our world. and if we were created in the image of god, god must be capable of evil, thus god is not perfect and, thus does not exist in the sense we descibe him to be.

 

[bryan4980]

This just made me think of something thats along these lines and bugs me.I hate the everything happens for a reson saying.Reason being is caues things will happen if you're alive and thats all their is to it.Saying for a reason is just......IDK.You get a GF and everythings great and ya'll stay together forever.You'll be saying yep,everything happens for a reason.Now say that girl cheats and "robs" you instead.Now you'll be saying yep,everything happens for a reason!So amore appropriate saying would be forset gumps,"sh!t happens!"

Same way with when it's your time to go,it's your time.You think!You only die once!Adding that to the facts of life just bugs me.Then some will use it to prove gods existance.I don't think he should of died but he did.I think he should of died,but he didn't.Well that proves it if you or a doc,another human,felt that way and was wrong!

Heres a mind boggler for ya,I just came up with this saying,it's true,and genius.When you have to poop,you have to poop.Sometimes I think he needs to poop but doesn't,other times I think he doesn't need to poop,and then he does.Inevitable facts of life?Or a higher being in control?

Has not everything that has happened in your life made you who you are? I still like to evaluate everything and consider if I am being told to change direction, I could be completely wrong and I accept that but at the very least it prevents you from making the same stupid mistakes repeatedly.
In your example, your gf leaves you and robs you I don't think you should just go oh well its God's will. No I would evaluate it, why did this happen? If I cannot come up with a mistake I made that I can fix for the future, then perhaps I should look at the events in my life that occurred for my to meet her and based upon all the events that have occurred evaluate if I am being told to change direction.
Then again there is free will and so people are just a**holes.

 

[Bionic]

We were created in the "image" of GOD. We are not little cloned gods walking around. I believe in science and GOD. Just because we haven't come up with a formula or test to prove/disprove HIS existence doesn't mean that HE isn't real. We're just not there yet. I also don't believe that we evolved from monkeys or cavemen. There is no missing link. At the same time, I don't believe in Adam and Eve either.

 

[bryan4980]

I believe this was answered a few pages back. As a nontheist myself, it would seem that if god sent them to hell it would make ogd vengeful, which would then make god not perfect. SO in essence, by human definition of perfection god would allow them entrance into heaven. therefore, belief in god would not be necessary for entrance into heaven by the same thought.

Man I just figured the whole thing out:hammer:

There's one of the major flaws with Christianity, there are plenty of religions out there that believe the whole reason for our existence is to learn and just not be complete jacka**es to each other.

 

[bryan4980]

To all the non-believers:
Lets say you trained your mind through meditation and after many years of practice were able to have an out of body experience. Would you conclude that because of that there is proof of something more or that we are all capable of just more or that there really isn't a God all of our collective consciousness make up the God in which there is no God but at the same time there is.

 

[Dadof2]

I said it in the first post, and it is worth repeating here. C.S. Lewis' book "Mere Christianity" is an awesome read on this subject. Lewis was a great author, and a truly brilliant man. The subject matter covered in the book is essentially the same things that are being covered in this thread, and the book is tough to stop reading.

This thread has been enjoyable. I have been in literally hundreds of religious threads, and this one is one of a few that have actually been civil.

One question that I notice over and over again is the question of "How do you know". I will do my best to try and answer that.

I don't 100% know that there is a God or that Jesus died so that we don't have to. Jesus could have just been a guy who was a rabble rouser at a time when the Romans didn't need any more Jewish rabble rousers.

However, a little better than 10 years ago, I had I guess what you could call a "religious experience". I was in the midst of some deep introspection over a period of several weeks when it all culminated one night while having a discussion with my best friend. That night we both gave our lives to Christ. There were no clergymen or fireworks or anything like that. The only out of the ordinary experience was an overwhelming sense of peace accompanied by a feeling that I would describe as out of the ordinary. I can't adequately describe it, but it was very reassurring at the time.

I was not what I would consider at the time a "bad" guy. I didn't kill people or anything like that. But I wasn't an angel either, and I knew that, but I tried to tell myself that I wasn't that bad. In retrospect I wasn't a good guy either. I cheated on my girlfriends, I hurt people emotionally,I had no respect for anyone I, could go on, but you get the picture I think.

I wasn't really scared of the afterlife, I just started to realize that the things that I thought were so important were not really all that important. Things that I thought would fulfill me really weren't. A guy can only have so much sex, with so many different girls, and that didn't make me any happier. I did plenty of drugs/partying and no amount of drugs made me happy. No matter how big or strong I got there was no happiness there.No matter where I looked there really wasn't any real happiness to be found. At best these things would lead to momentary pleasure followed by emptiness or even regret. These were all things that led me to that night that I mentioned earlier.

I just got to a point where I realized that I wasn't going to find what I was looking for in another person, or any other material thing. If anything was going to make me feel better, or more complete, or healed, or however you want to put it, I knew that it was Jesus or nothing. So I took that step out in faith, and just said "Ok, if you are real here I am, help me".

Since then there has been numerous experiences that attest to the fact that my faith has been well placed. At one time I thought that this God stuff was all about avoiding hell, but since making that step of faith I have realized it is totally different. (at one time I also thought that God was some cosmic disciplinarian who wanted to catch me screwing up so that He could hold it against me, I know now that this is not the case at all)

Sin isn't something that pisses off God. Sin is a destructive force that actually causes pain, death, etc. Sin hurts us. You can see the results of sin if you look for it. I was hurt by my sins, and the sins of others. Jesus died so that I didn't have to bear that hurt anymore. Jesus didn't just die so that I could go to heaven, Jesus died so that my life could be better right now. That feeling of not being satisfied was because I was looking for life where there was none to be had.


I haven't had some charmed life since then, I have the same troubles as anyone else. Anyone, Christian or not, who pretends like their life is just rosy is either a liar or sheltered. It is just when my life is going bad I look to God, whereas at one point in my life I looked elsewhere.

The emotional pain that I used to carry around like a heavy backpack is not there anymore. It didn't miraculously disappear overnight. In fact I didn't even know it existed, all that I could see was the outward manifestations of the pain: anger, a short temper, and other negative emotions that I had just taken for granted as being an ingrained part of me. Once I saw it for what it was I asked God to help me, and He did. He said to anyone who is heavy laden to drop their burden and take up His yoke, that it is lite. You can't really appreciate that until you have experienced what it is like to be free from years of pain and emotional baggage.


It is in cases like this that I have witnessed the truth in the Bible in my own life. Jesus said that for whoever who thirst to come to Him. He was not talking about a physical thirst, but a yearning whether it be for love or security or what have you. And this has proven to be true.

The Bible says that "By His stripes we are healed". I can look and see how I am no longer an angry, hurt person, and see the truth in that. I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

In the course of this thread I have gotten a lot more personal than I would like to, but understand it is only to attempt and answer the question "how do you know" or "Why do you believe". I know because of what I have experienced in my own life. This is why I believe.

If at the end of the day, and I am creating my own reality or tricking myself then you know what? I am fine with that, because I am in a much better place than I was before. If when I die I am just dead, that is fine, I won't even know it. If my experience is any indicator, then when I die I am going to a much better existance to be with the One who loves me more than I can imagine.

 

[Zero V]

dude, we have a tail bone. some people are actually born with mini tails because their tail bone is longer than normal. this proves evolution aside from a million other things. we used to need a tail to balance ourselves like monkeys, because we were monkeys. we have evolved since then and no longer need a tail, but the evidence that we DID at one point have them, is still there. i do agree with you about the extremes though. i'm in the middle myself. also, just because evolution occurs, does not mean that there is no higher being than humans. not by a long shot. it would prove that there is no god as in father of jesus christ, yes. but not that there is no other kind of higher being.

DNA cannot change. Evolution is an ideal that was thrown out by its very creator on his deathbed when he realized he was wrong the enitre time and simply misguided by satan.

The only truth is that everyone believes in God eventualy, once your standing in for your judgement...

 

[Zero V]

I said it in the first post, and it is worth repeating here. C.S. Lewis' book "Mere Christianity" is an awesome read on this subject. Lewis was a great author, and a truly brilliant man. The subject matter covered in the book is essentially the same things that are being covered in this thread, and the book is tough to stop reading.

This thread has been enjoyable. I have been in literally hundreds of religious threads, and this one is one of a few that have actually been civil.

One question that I notice over and over again is the question of "How do you know". I will do my best to try and answer that.

I don't 100% know that there is a God or that Jesus died so that we don't have to. Jesus could have just been a guy who was a rabble rouser at a time when the Romans didn't need any more Jewish rabble rousers.

However, a little better than 10 years ago, I had I guess what you could call a "religious experience". I was in the midst of some deep introspection over a period of several weeks when it all culminated one night while having a discussion with my best friend. That night we both gave our lives to Christ. There were no clergymen or fireworks or anything like that. The only out of the ordinary experience was an overwhelming sense of peace accompanied by a feeling that I would describe as out of the ordinary. I can't adequately describe it, but it was very reassurring at the time.

I was not what I would consider at the time a "bad" guy. I didn't kill people or anything like that. But I wasn't an angel either, and I knew that, but I tried to tell myself that I wasn't that bad. In retrospect I wasn't a good guy either. I cheated on my girlfriends, I hurt people emotionally,I had no respect for anyone I, could go on, but you get the picture I think.

I wasn't really scared of the afterlife, I just started to realize that the things that I thought were so important were not really all that important. Things that I thought would fulfill me really weren't. A guy can only have so much sex, with so many different girls, and that didn't make me any happier. I did plenty of drugs/partying and no amount of drugs made me happy. No matter how big or strong I got there was no happiness there.No matter where I looked there really wasn't any real happiness to be found. At best these things would lead to momentary pleasure followed by emptiness or even regret. These were all things that led me to that night that I mentioned earlier.

I just got to a point where I realized that I wasn't going to find what I was looking for in another person, or any other material thing. If anything was going to make me feel better, or more complete, or healed, or however you want to put it, I knew that it was Jesus or nothing. So I took that step out in faith, and just said "Ok, if you are real here I am, help me".

Since then there has been numerous experiences that attest to the fact that my faith has been well placed. At one time I thought that this God stuff was all about avoiding hell, but since making that step of faith I have realized it is totally different. (at one time I also thought that God was some cosmic disciplinarian who wanted to catch me screwing up so that He could hold it against me, I know now that this is not the case at all)

Sin isn't something that pisses off God. Sin is a destructive force that actually causes pain, death, etc. Sin hurts us. You can see the results of sin if you look for it. I was hurt by my sins, and the sins of others. Jesus died so that I didn't have to bear that hurt anymore. Jesus didn't just die so that I could go to heaven, Jesus died so that my life could be better right now. That feeling of not being satisfied was because I was looking for life where there was none to be had.


I haven't had some charmed life since then, I have the same troubles as anyone else. Anyone, Christian or not, who pretends like their life is just rosy is either a liar or sheltered. It is just when my life is going bad I look to God, whereas at one point in my life I looked elsewhere.

The emotional pain that I used to carry around like a heavy backpack is not there anymore. It didn't miraculously disappear overnight. In fact I didn't even know it existed, all that I could see was the outward manifestations of the pain: anger, a short temper, and other negative emotions that I had just taken for granted as being an ingrained part of me. Once I saw it for what it was I asked God to help me, and He did. He said to anyone who is heavy laden to drop their burden and take up His yoke, that it is lite. You can't really appreciate that until you have experienced what it is like to be free from years of pain and emotional baggage.


It is in cases like this that I have witnessed the truth in the Bible in my own life. Jesus said that for whoever who thirst to come to Him. He was not talking about a physical thirst, but a yearning whether it be for love or security or what have you. And this has proven to be true.

The Bible says that "By His stripes we are healed". I can look and see how I am no longer an angry, hurt person, and see the truth in that. I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

In the course of this thread I have gotten a lot more personal than I would like to, but understand it is only to attempt and answer the question "how do you know" or "Why do you believe". I know because of what I have experienced in my own life. This is why I believe.

If at the end of the day, and I am creating my own reality or tricking myself then you know what? I am fine with that, because I am in a much better place than I was before. If when I die I am just dead, that is fine, I won't even know it. If my experience is any indicator, then when I die I am going to a much better existance to be with the One who loves me more than I can imagine.

Amen. You have given probably one of the best pieces to this thread. I just dont get too involved, I get too emotional. Once you know Jesus it actually hurts alot when people just dont get it, and the price that is payed...

"the wages of sin are death" I make mistakes myself, I am a 21 year old guy, who does well enough to not sleep with anyone. I made mistakes with my last GF. We all have demons to fight, and we will all have a day where we just do stupid things. Backsliding and such, happens to the best of us.

I respect everyones opinions in this thread. But there is undeniable a difference between a real christian and someone who is secular of of another religion. Such as peace(like stated above), Healings, even death can be reversed, blessings, true happiness.

Why do you think america has something like a 60% divorce rate or whatever. It is not a christian country no more. Every secular person I debate with cannot give a scientific explanation on healings and miracles. And there is one comment that always makes sense to them.

At night, after the party, after the girls, afterwhatever you do. No matter what you have done that is fun or makes you happy, you feel empty inside, and something just isnt right. But you ignore it, thinking its just stupid emotions...When really it is a father hoping his son or daughter will come to him...

Why do people deny love?

 

[Alexander]

Amen. You have given probably one of the best pieces to this thread. I just dont get too involved, I get too emotional. Once you know Jesus it actually hurts alot when people just dont get it, and the price that is payed...

"the wages of sin are death" I make mistakes myself, I am a 21 year old guy, who does well enough to not sleep with anyone. I made mistakes with my last GF. We all have demons to fight, and we will all have a day where we just do stupid things. Backsliding and such, happens to the best of us.

I respect everyones opinions in this thread. But there is undeniable a difference between a real christian and someone who is secular of of another religion. Such as peace(like stated above), Healings, even death can be reversed, blessings, true happiness.

Why do you think america has something like a 60% divorce rate or whatever. It is not a christian country no more. Every secular person I debate with cannot give a scientific explanation on healings and miracles. And there is one comment that always makes sense to them.

At night, after the party, after the girls, afterwhatever you do. No matter what you have done that is fun or makes you happy, you feel empty inside, and something just isnt right. But you ignore it, thinking its just stupid emotions...When really it is a father hoping his son or daughter will come to him...

Why do people deny love?

You're right, America is not as christian as it used to be. This is a good thing, IMO. People are more open minded and realize that they're not going to burn in hell or whatever if they get divorced. This is a positive thing, people are getting out of horrible relationships and moving on to better things instead of staying miserable due to fear.

 

[Dadof2]

You're right, America is not as christian as it used to be. This is a good thing, IMO. People are more open minded and realize that they're not going to burn in hell or whatever if they get divorced. This is a positive thing, people are getting out of horrible relationships and moving on to better things instead of staying miserable due to fear.

Are you serious?

There are some cases where a divorce is the healthy option, but the vast majority of divorces are destructive, (especially to the children) and unnecessary.

How many people leave one marriage just to go and get married and divorced again? And this is supposed to be a good thing?

 

[Zero V]

You're right, America is not as christian as it used to be. This is a good thing, IMO. People are more open minded and realize that they're not going to burn in hell or whatever if they get divorced. This is a positive thing, people are getting out of horrible relationships and moving on to better things instead of staying miserable due to fear.

It is not a good thing. Since that time the country has gone to hell. Crime has went crazy, premaritial sex, STDs, divorce is a desicration, the relationships usually arent bad they just want younger people or something new. Divorce is OK in Gods eye if its because of abuse or cheating you know.

People are "more open" they are blinded. Education has went down, more and more kids cant read, because they are more open to other things other than school. Rape, drugs, robbery is daily life now.

Money is the sole focus of most people.

You could trust people 50 years ago.....today...you better off sleeping in the middle of a communist barracks wearing an american flag outfit, and you could be safer than trying to trust people in this country.

 

[Alexander]

Are you serious?

There are some cases where a divorce is the healthy option, but the vast majority of divorces are destructive, (especially to the children) and unnecessary.

How many people leave one marriage just to go and get married and divorced again? And this is supposed to be a good thing?

Yes.

Going into another unhealthy relationship is certainly a possibility, but staying in a relationship that is doomed is definitely not good. Obviously every situation is different, and it would be best to stay married and have a healthy environment for the children, but if that's not possible, move on, that may be best for the children as well.

My point is that one shouldn't base their decisions due to fear of a non-existant character.

 

[bassgod272]

To all the non-believers:
Lets say you trained your mind through meditation and after many years of practice were able to have an out of body experience. Would you conclude that because of that there is proof of something more or that we are all capable of just more or that there really isn't a God all of our collective consciousness make up the God in which there is no God but at the same time there is.

i actually HAVE had 2 out of body experiences in my lifetime. i believe that there is more to me than just this flesh, little brain, guts, etc. there's some kind of electricity or force within me. again, watch what the bleep do we know. it tells how the brain works and it's fvcking amazing. think about this: why am i typing this right now? why do you get up and go look in the mirror? there are MILLIONS of things that we humans can do at ANY given point in time. yet we choose to do these certain things for some unknown reason to us. these things that we do, makes us who we are. anyone ever see donnie darko? i also highly recommend watching that. there's a scene where this force that is portrayed as a silver liquid pulls donnie into certain directions and that is why he goes and does specific things.

 

[bigironkiller]

DNA cannot change. Evolution is an ideal that was thrown out by its very creator on his deathbed when he realized he was wrong the enitre time and simply misguided by satan.

The only truth is that everyone believes in God eventualy, once your standing in for your judgement...

where did you read that he threw it out on his deathbed?? and if he did such a thing it had nothing to do with being misguided by satan.

 

[bassgod272]

the brain supposedly works via electricity and little shocks of it. this is why i believe there is mor to us than flesh and bone. not sure what exactly, but there is more. when we blink, for that split second our eyes are closed, there are millions of impulses that could occur when we open our eyes again. when you DO open them, your brain randomly selects one of these million impulses and executes it. not sure how it selects as it is totally random. right now i could scratch my head, turn on the tv, etc. but i'm not. i'm sitting here typing on AM.

i'm not saying i believe in some force that is tugging me in a certain direction, and making me do things to effect the outcome of my life. i am just saying our bodies are fvcking amazing pieces of work and not 1 of us knows exactly what will happen when we die, why we do the things we do, if there is a god, etc. nobody knows until we die, SO live and ENJOY your life to the fullest and be happy. we will find out everything that we wish to know now, when we pass on to the other side. when someone comes back from the dead and tells me that they seen god and this is what happens when you die, then i'll alter my entire lifestyle. until then, i'm going to keep doing what i'm doing. LIVING IT UP!!! :hammer:

 

[bigironkiller]

It is not a good thing. Since that time the country has gone to hell. Crime has went crazy, premaritial sex, STDs, divorce is a desicration, the relationships usually arent bad they just want younger people or something new. Divorce is OK in Gods eye if its because of abuse or cheating you know.

People are "more open" they are blinded. Education has went down, more and more kids cant read, because they are more open to other things other than school. Rape, drugs, robbery is daily life now.

Money is the sole focus of most people.

You could trust people 50 years ago.....today...you better off sleeping in the middle of a communist barracks wearing an american flag outfit, and you could be safer than trying to trust people in this country.

none of this has anything to do with religion. since we have moved past our religious history, we no longer torture people for heracy. you have to look at the world climate and the effects it has on people. we have 14th century muslims attacking us because we are free. it is the so called "religious" politicians that are the major cause of problems in this country. we are at war, being fought in totally the wrong way, and in an economic struggle. we have a high divorce rate because we are at a point in civilization that allows us to look past procreation and safety, but towards happiness. in years past marriages were about stability, and saftey(mostly the womans).women can work now and can fully be independent. know we are seeing more and more stay at home dads, all this is just because of the times we live in, not religion.education has faultered because we pay teachers ****, and honestly the students are lazy. we are so used to having things handed to us, no one wants to work for anything. nothing is wrong with premarital sex, it is the teaching of abstinence that is basically blinding kids as to the risks. also, the population has soared in this country with alot of influx of different cultures, etc. thus we have more crime. and from your posts you seem to be the kind of guy that doesnt live life to the fullest because you are so preoccupied with god, you forget to live. i think religion just gives people an excuse to judge people and escape from life.

 

[Alexander]

none of this has anything to do with religion. since we have moved past our religious history, we no longer torture people for heracy. you have to look at the world climate and the effects it has on people. we have 14th century muslims attacking us because we are free. it is the so called "religious" politicians that are the major cause of problems in this country. we are at war, being fought in totally the wrong way, and in an economic struggle. we have a high divorce rate because we are at a point in civilization that allows us to look past procreation and safety, but towards happiness. in years past marriages were about stability, and saftey(mostly the womans).women can work now and can fully be independent. know we are seeing more and more stay at home dads, all this is just because of the times we live in, not religion.education has faultered because we pay teachers ****, and honestly the students are lazy. we are so used to having things handed to us, no one wants to work for anything. nothing is wrong with premarital sex, it is the teaching of abstinence that is basically blinding kids as to the risks. also, the population has soared in this country with alot of influx of different cultures, etc. thus we have more crime. and from your posts you seem to be the kind of guy that doesnt live life to the fullest because you are so preoccupied with god, you forget to live. i think religion just gives people an excuse to judge people and escape from life.

Good post, so true.

If their was a god, why would he want us to waste all of our time sweating him?

 

[Zero V]

where did you read that he threw it out on his deathbed?? and if he did such a thing it had nothing to do with being misguided by satan.

Do the reserch Darwin threw out his evolutionary ideas because he concluded they didnt make sense.

You seiously believe a single celled organism evolved into the structure of our bodies, that the earth made itself, and a start just came to be out of dust?

Scienteistes predict the chance of our bodies being developed as they are are statistically impossible if you tried evolution.

 

[DmitryWI]

Dadof, great story.
Zero V, you are just too much with all your BS. You jump in this thread, dump bunch of useless sh*t and leave.
"Once you know Jesus it actually hurts a lot when people just don't get it" you said.
Actually if you truly know God and Jesus, then it doesn't hurt you or offend you in any way, just like God doesn't get offended or hurt. You know, like people who's not sure and not confident enough in their knowledge always try to protect their believes so much harder and get so easily offended. That is you. Think about it.

 

[Alexander]

Dadof, great story.
Zero V, you are just too much with all your BS. You jump in this thread, dump bunch of useless sh*t and leave.
"Once you know Jesus it actually hurts a lot when people just don't get it" you said.
Actually if you truly know God and Jesus, then it doesn't hurt you or offend you in any way, just like God doesn't get offended or hurt. You know, like people who's not sure and not confident enough in their knowledge always try to protect their believes so much harder and get so easily offended. That is you. Think about it.

The God that you know sure seems to be much more reasonable than the one ZeroV knows. The God ZeroV knows is not someone I care to be involved with.

 

[bigironkiller]

Do the reserch Darwin threw out his evolutionary ideas because he concluded they didnt make sense.

You seiously believe a single celled organism evolved into the structure of our bodies, that the earth made itself, and a start just came to be out of dust?

Scienteistes predict the chance of our bodies being developed as they are are statistically impossible if you tried evolution.

1. ill look into the darwin claim
2. yes, we evolved. but just look at how viruses can mutate into more powerful viruses. i think your problem with evolution is that you probobly believe earth is only 6000yrs old as the bible says. evolution takes millions of years. not everything evolved as we did because for that species it was more than adequate to survive. look at cockroaches, they are able to survive almost anywhere, thus need no further evolution.
3. as to if a cell can evovle to a human, yes. how do you think babies grow from sperm and an egg........
4.if you look at the complexities of the universe you should be able to see how mere dust exposed to so much energy could form a planet over time.

 

[Zero V]

Dadof, great story.
Zero V, you are just too much with all your BS. You jump in this thread, dump bunch of useless sh*t and leave.
"Once you know Jesus it actually hurts a lot when people just don't get it" you said.
Actually if you truly know God and Jesus, then it doesn't hurt you or offend you in any way, just like God doesn't get offended or hurt. You know, like people who's not sure and not confident enough in their knowledge always try to protect their believes so much harder and get so easily offended. That is you. Think about it.

By it hurts I mean as it hurts because of where they are going. FYI christians care about everyone, and can forgive anything. I dont take offense at all. People cuss at my work, and some times temps that come in try to push my buttons.

Christians hurt because people arent making it into the kingdom... Think about caring for a brother or a sister who is going to die unless you do something.

Some people just dont like it when a christian actually has anwsers. :clap2:

If you want I will leave the thread alone?

 

[bigironkiller]

dont leave the thread zero, your not doing anything wrong. but you didnt give any answers, i dont know what you think proved.

 

[Alexander]

By it hurts I mean as it hurts because of where they are going. FYI christians care about everyone, and can forgive anything. I dont take offense at all. People cuss at my work, and some times temps that come in try to push my buttons.

Christians hurt because people arent making it into the kingdom... Think about caring for a brother or a sister who is going to die unless you do something.

Some people just dont like it when a christian actually has anwsers. :clap2:

If you want I will leave the thread alone?

I doubt anyone wants you to leave the thread alone. We would like to hear your opinion, but the problem is that you are so sure of yourself, and quick to tell others they are wrong, when you have no proof to do so.

 

[bigironkiller]

ill say again, by no means do you have to leave the thread. you are part of the conversation and we need people to share there opinion

 

[DmitryWI]

Christians hurt because people arent making it into the kingdom...

Just because you believe that, doesn't make it true.
And by saying that, you simply put yourself higher than others, and this is what I really can't stand. People looking down on others, ahh, poor guy he's going to "hell" and I'm not because I know the "truth". What a load of crap.

 

[Zero V]

1. ill look into the darwin claim
2. yes, we evolved. but just look at how viruses can mutate into more powerful viruses. i think your problem with evolution is that you probobly believe earth is only 6000yrs old as the bible says. evolution takes millions of years. not everything evolved as we did because for that species it was more than adequate to survive. look at cockroaches, they are able to survive almost anywhere, thus need no further evolution.
3. as to if a cell can evovle to a human, yes. how do you think babies grow from sperm and an egg........
4.if you look at the complexities of the universe you should be able to see how mere dust exposed to so much energy could form a planet over time.

Where did the universe come from then? Where did the first dust come from? Energy?

Have you studied a virus btw? They arent normal beings. They actually dont live, they are more like a preprogrammed robot that carries alternate DNA that once it attaches to a cell it then injects which goes to the nucleus and screws the cell up. Hostile take over per say? I mean it cant reproduce. It has to use other cells to. It does not evolve, but as it comes in contact with different bodies, learns to react differently to be more effective. Just as a boxer or soldier does, there is no evolution there.

Show me the physical proof of evolution, show me the bones that show a man evolving from a monkey, the missing link. You mean out of the millions of in between beings of monkeys and humans not one of their remains is left to prove our connection? If this were a court case, I think it would be over with no evidence.

Now please give me a scientific explanation on how a tumor vanishes, cancer dissapears without treatment, people can he healed of AIDS when medical science cant do it, and tendons and bone can regrow in minutes, and a dead man can walk again.

I give anwsers, now you do so please. It is only fair, no?

 

[bassgod272]

By it hurts I mean as it hurts because of where they are going. FYI christians care about everyone, and can forgive anything. I dont take offense at all. People cuss at my work, and some times temps that come in try to push my buttons.

Christians hurt because people arent making it into the kingdom... Think about caring for a brother or a sister who is going to die unless you do something.

Some people just dont like it when a christian actually has anwsers. :clap2:

If you want I will leave the thread alone?

you have not answered a DAMN thing.

 

[bassgod272]

Where did the universe come from then? Where did the first dust come from? Energy?

Have you studied a virus btw? They arent normal beings. They actually dont live, they are more like a preprogrammed robot that carries alternate DNA that once it attaches to a cell it then injects which goes to the nucleus and screws the cell up. Hostile take over per say? I mean it cant reproduce. It has to use other cells to. It does not evolve, but as it comes in contact with different bodies, learns to react differently to be more effective. Just as a boxer or soldier does, there is no evolution there.

Show me the physical proof of evolution, show me the bones that show a man evolving from a monkey, the missing link. You mean out of the millions of in between beings of monkeys and humans not one of their remains is left to prove our connection? If this were a court case, I think it would be over with no evidence.

Now please give me a scientific explanation on how a tumor vanishes, cancer dissapears without treatment, people cna he healed of AIDS, and tendons and bone can regrow in minutes, and a dead man can walk again.

I give anwsers, now you do so please. It is only fair, no?

where did God come from?

 

[Alexander]

where did God come from?

That's a hard hitting question. Can't wait to hear the answer, that he is SURE of.

 

[Zero V]

Just because you believe that, doesn't make it true.
And by saying that, you simply put yourself higher than others, and this is what I really can't stand. People looking down on others, ahh, poor guy he's going to "hell" and I'm not because I know the "truth". What a load of crap.

I am not higher than anyone. Christianity is about being a servant. The more you do for others the more you actually live. Have you ever seen a preacher think he is better than someone(ignore TV evangelists....), he usualy does without alot and helps everyone he can.

How am I putting myself higher? Most of you are probably far in college or done, make more money, are in better shape, have a beautiful GF or something. What do I do to make myself higher? It is more like a doctor trying to advise a patient...

About the hell thing. There are 2 doors, simple as that. If you arent going to one your going into the other.

I dont judge, but I fear what choices do to people.

Go to a revival, experience it, then say God is not real. If you are sure of yourself. Walk up to a holy spirit filled man while you are injured, ask him if healing is real, and have him pray for you. Just try it. You may be very very suprised...

 

[Zero V]

you have not answered a DAMN thing.

Every time some asks a Q, I do give an anwser, it is just disregarded. You want a 400 page textbook for an anwser.

And as for where God came from, no christian can anwser that, being of limited knowledge.

Now where did that dust and energy come from?

I still want a scientific reason for miracles and healings....

 

[Alexander]

Every time some asks a Q, I do give an anwser, it is just disregarded. You want a 400 page textbook for an anwser.

And as for where God came from, no christian can anwser that, being of limited knowledge.

Now where did that dust and energy come from?

I still want a scientific reason for miracles and healings....

Can't you just ask him where he came from? Or does he want to hide that info for some reason?

I've never seen or heard of any documented "healing", but if you can point me in the right direction I'd love to see it.

 

[Zero V]

Weird little side info. Science is starting to think that things are held together by vibration. Which is basically what changes things in physical states. Matter is either solid, liquid, or gas depending on how fast it is vibrating. Sound is vibration correct?

In the Bible it says God SPOKE the world into existence, as in the sound of his voice.

Weird how the farther science goes the more things line up wtih a 2000 year old book. Ever read revelations? Do so and look at the world, prediction after prediction are coming true...from a 2000 year old book.

BTW read back in the posts from yesterday and so on. People asked about dinosaurs and all kinds of things and I gave anwsers...how did I not anwser anything. Usually it is the christians who run in circles and say the same things over and over.... this time its vice versa.

 

[bassgod272]

Every time some asks a Q, I do give an anwser, it is just disregarded. You want a 400 page textbook for an anwser.

And as for where God came from, no christian can anwser that, being of limited knowledge.

Now where did that dust and energy come from?

I still want a scientific reason for miracles and healings....

if you cannot believe that something had to come from nothing, how the hell can you believe that God CREATED EVERYTHING from NOTHING? INCLUDING HIMSELF? are these healings that you speak of, the ones on tv where there is a crowd of 100 people. the preacher calls on specific people to tell a story of them being deaf, blind, etc. slaps them on the forehead, makes them fall backward, and they are instantly healed? if so, it's all bullsh!t. my uncle is blind. he goes to church multiple times per week, believes in God, prays, has others pray for him including the pastor of the church, and he is still blind. fvck your healings and miracles.