Yeah, I know I can't be 100% dogmatic about the A:A ratios of different compounds. All compounds that are highly androgenic are not always necessarily good for pre-workout. Phera comes to mind. It is high on the androgenic side of the table, but I never felt anything from it in regards to aggression or focus or anything like that. In fact, it's a slow building compound to my system anyway. Takes 3 weeks to really kick in to me. And with Epi and Super, though high on the anabolic end, seem great pre-workout in regards to strength increases. I was just shopping for another trusted pre-workout compound, as I love those!! Just wondering if my TRN would be good for pre-workout? And whether Winztrol or real Wintstrol would be worth purchasing for the same purpose? Thanks Piston, Brah!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer: