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first time clen user... any suggestions

DAdams91982 said:
And if I am not mistaken, long term use can result in necrosis of heart tissue. Leave this buterol to the horses its made for.

Adams
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I'd love to read more about this. I'm not sure whether this was a theory or has actually been proven. I can remember reading something a while ago where it was suggested that Clenbuterol can actually help strengthen heart tissue, rather than breaking down the cells.
 
Cub said:
I'd love to read more about this. I'm not sure whether this was a theory or has actually been proven. I can remember reading something a while ago where it was suggested that Clenbuterol can actually help strengthen heart tissue, rather than breaking down the cells.
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I've too read in the past that Clen has been shown in studies to cause necrosis as well as cardiac hypertrophy/enlarged heart. This's after I used it but my uses were both minimal and short lived.
 
Well if we are basing your data off rats.. here is a study for you.

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle.Burniston JG, Ng Y, Clark WA, Colyer J, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.
Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool L3 2ET, United Kingdom. [email protected]

Myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and soleus muscle of adult male Wistar rats was investigated in response to a single subcutaneous injection of the anabolic beta(2)-adrenergic receptor agonist clenbuterol. Necrosis was immunohistochemically detected by administration of a myosin antibody 1 h before the clenbuterol challenge and quantified by using image analysis. Clenbuterol-induced myocyte necrosis occurred against a background of zero damage in control muscles. In the heart, the clenbuterol-induced necrosis was not uniform, being more abundant in the left subendocardium and peaking 2.4 mm from the apex. After position (2.4 mm from the apex), dose (5 mg clenbuterol/kg), and sampling time (12 h) were optimized, maximum cardiomyocyte necrosis was found to be 1.0 +/- 0.2%. In response to the same parameters (i.e., 5 mg of clenbuterol and sampled at 12 h), skeletal myocyte necrosis was 4.4 +/- 0.8% in the soleus. These data show significant myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and skeletal muscle of the rat. Such irreversible damage in the heart suggests that clenbuterol may be damaging to long-term health.


Adams
 
That's interesting. The data I seen a while back was actually in horses, so now we have 2 beasts Clen effects, or 3 counting Britney Spears. I remember a horse owner was on the local news *****ing a couple years ago because her trainers were administering Clen into the horse pre-races without the owners discretion. The horse was strong, young, & healthly-looking. So this rich crazy woman had all the necessary 'after arrangements' made for her beloved horse. The coroner mentioned how the horse died at half the age of normal healthy horse creatures. They didn't blame it on anything 'specific', but the owner assumed Clen. Very public case in this area.
 
5mg per kg is a lot of clenbuterol! It was also injected, rather than taken orally. Now we just need to some humans to study these effects on. Hands up...anybody?
 
Cub said:
5mg per kg is a lot of clenbuterol! It was also injected, rather than taken orally. Now we just need to some humans to study these effects on. Hands up...anybody?
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Yeah, the study was in excess of course, to pronounce the outcome. Plus, that study was pretty short term, unlike some that utilize it for fat loss.

But all in all, would you take heroin at low doses if dropped fat? Knowing how bad it is? :D

Adams

**HAND IS WAY DOWN**
 
Strange but Clen appeared on TV earlier as part of a special 'Hollywood piece' naming the actresses abusing Clen. They focused on Lindsay Lohan, Victoria Beckham, & Janet Jackson, but there were many. That's the second time this past year I've seen something similar only 2 different pieces. That should help the drugs legality.
 
I think that if the OP wants to use Clen he should, this thread has gotten highjacked numerous times ;) It's not a big deal or anything (it's not my thread:)) I'd just remind you that he asked for recommendations on dosage and duration. I've used clen on a few occasions and haven't ever had any negative experiences. It is a very harsh compound and not something to be taken lightly (I know that this is what you guys are trying to get across)but if you follow the suggested protocol of slowly increasing dosages until they become overly uncomfortable, then decrease slightly, there should be no reason to have any nasty sides. As for the long term sides, I think that the media is attacking this just like they are attacking AAS. I'm not saying that the stuff is safe, but i've haven't seen proof that responsible usage is dangerous.
 
dkkon1 said:
I think that if the OP wants to use Clen he should, this thread has gotten highjacked numerous times ;) It's not a big deal or anything (it's not my thread:)) I'd just remind you that he asked for recommendations on dosage and duration. I've used clen on a few occasions and haven't ever had any negative experiences. It is a very harsh compound and not something to be taken lightly (I know that this is what you guys are trying to get across)but if you follow the suggested protocol of slowly increasing dosages until they become overly uncomfortable, then decrease slightly, there should be no reason to have any nasty sides. As for the long term sides, I think that the media is attacking this just like they are attacking AAS. I'm not saying that the stuff is safe, but i've haven't seen proof that responsible usage is dangerous.
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thank u. u are the only one that's actually paying attention. i'm not injecting straight clen at 5 grams into my body. i'm taking the normal protocol that has been used by many people. i'm not a rich spoiled celebrity who's going to get addicted and stay on clen for 6 months out of the year every year. i don't think using clen once is going to kill me and i'll pretty much bet half of the people comenting how awefuly it is have taken "prohormones" before.
 
I wasnt telling you NOT to take it. Shlt, its your body, do what the fvck you want to. I was making an informative post. Just like if anyone said I am going to use M1T, I would step in, and let them know it is pure poison.

So all the kudo's to you brother.

And yes, I have used "Prohormones" and even Clen before. Of course that was before I pulled my head out and researched everything going in my body.

Like I said, it is your body. I hope you find what you are looking for from Clen.

Adams
 
jsp0882 said:
thank u. u are the only one that's actually paying attention. i'm not injecting straight clen at 5 grams into my body. i'm taking the normal protocol that has been used by many people. i'm not a rich spoiled celebrity who's going to get addicted and stay on clen for 6 months out of the year every year. i don't think using clen once is going to kill me and i'll pretty much bet half of the people comenting how awefuly it is have taken "prohormones" before.
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Dude - there's a research article on here somewhere that clen can cause cardiovascular tissue death.

Lots of people do lots of dumb, uninformed things. People look for others to generally lead.

I don't think you understand what clen is. You need to do more reasearch.

I'm not telling you not to use it, I think you just need to understand it better bro.
No malice intended.
 
Although I still think risk are overblown when considering responsible use, I agree with jmh80 in the fact that with something as powerful as this you need to have "all your ducks in a row". I certainly wasn't trying to sway anyone, towards using, or not, just giving my opinion.
 
For anyone that thinks clen is overblown in the risks - READ this thread.

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Glenihan was a knowledgeable guy. Great contributer to the board.
That was a flat out scary situation.
 
jmh80 said:
For anyone that thinks clen is overblown in the risks - READ this thread.

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Glenihan was a knowledgeable guy. Great contributer to the board.
That was a flat out scary situation.
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Damn, those are two names I wish were still around. Dr.D and Glenihan. Both EXTREMELY knowledgable, and great assets to the board.

Adams
 
I bet that was pretty scary. 130 bpm damn! Well you haven't persuaded me to stop clen altogether but I will definately be far more cautious and conservative in my use of it. Thanks for the info bro. :) Reps
 
I'm not here to persuade anyone. I'm here to inform.

I persuade away from things when I believe the person to either not be ready for whatever it is or if I think they can do more basic work (eating/lifting/cardio) before taking whatever.

I've not seen anything by the OP to cause me to persuade him away from clen.

I do see he needs to be informed as to the entirety of the situation with clen.
 
jmh80 said:
For anyone that thinks clen is overblown in the risks - READ this thread.

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Glenihan was a knowledgeable guy. Great contributer to the board.
That was a flat out scary situation.
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wow great post jmh80. Thats scared me off clen even more :D

The thing that scares me the most is around a month ago I was studying for finals and took 40mg ritalin (methylphenidate hydrochloride) and my heart rate hit 137bpm and I honestly though damn thats high but not scary high, kinda freaked!!
 
i am going to be cautious and i've read all the studies i could find. but i haven't seen any studies run on people taking it for 2 weeks starting at 40mcg a day and going no higher than 120mcg. it's all injection methods with mg measurements on rats. i'm definately going to be cautious and thanks for all the advice guys.
 
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