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THUNDERGOD'S 3-WEEK BLITZ-KRIEG with Methyl-E, M-Drol, And D-Bol

Force of Green said:
Black, those are some insane numbers!

This log has a lot of excitement in here. It's nuts! I'm serious, it's like a click the link and I can just feel pure insanity as the page loads up! :bruce1:
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Thanks bro, yea this is the fckin nut house around here that's for sure. But hey look at who's spearheading the whole operation lol..........:cheers:
 
I gotta say TG, this is looking pretty damned good. I'm starting to wonder if I wouldn't like my next one to be a short 3 weeker too. Hmm...

What do you think are some other compounds that might be useful in a similar dosing scheme? Also, when you say you're going to run a shorter pct, what do you have in mind?
 
Thanks for the kind words Celc5, BlackSheep, Kernkraft, F.O.G., and ThisGuy2!! Crazy is all I can deliver as a Beserker of Odin!! And Celc, I can hardly consider you a "newb"!! You were one of the first few people here to respond to my posts and help me out with my newb questions. I appreciate all the help you have been to me friend. And BlackSheep, you know you're my broski! Forever!! You guys have been an incredible source of inspiration and encouragement to me! Thanks KernKraft, F.O.G., and Thisguy2 for your support as well. There is lots more craziness to follow.:fool2:That's one thing you can expect from a battle-maddened Thundergod!:aargh: Rock on everybody!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
TG, I saw a guy at the gym today who reminded me of you and just seeing him power through a monster workout made me channel your Nordic spirit and finish my workout feeling strong. Thanks for being an inspiration.
 
For that matter, I am doing a 2 on, 4 off cycle of Havoc. I figure I'll do somewhere between 2 and 4 of those. Any interest in a log?
 
:yawn: morning TG, how do i know your up while everyone else in the US is sleeping!

The MR hasn't arrived yet, was crazy busy yesterday it never crossed my mind ot call em up. Lets see if i can chase them up today.
 
Australian made said:
:yawn: morning TG, how do i know your up while everyone else in the US is sleeping!

The MR hasn't arrived yet, was crazy busy yesterday it never crossed my mind ot call em up. Lets see if i can chase them up today.
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You know I'm up because I'm a freakin' Vampire!!:twisted: Piston is usually up at this time as well. He works grave-yard shifts like me. We're all the cool-ass morning crowd around here! lol Yeah, just let me know when they come in. Should be any day now. You're the best mate. Have the greatest of days friend!! :cheers: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
arizonanewbie said:
TG, I saw a guy at the gym today who reminded me of you and just seeing him power through a monster workout made me channel your Nordic spirit and finish my workout feeling strong. Thanks for being an inspiration.
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Man, when you guys say things like this, it makes my heart swell and my spirit soar with pride unbound!! All you guys are the ones inspiring me to be the Beserker that I am. "There exists no gods, but for the faith of mortals"!! My thanks to all of you, my mortal friends. Now, No Rest Til Ragnarok!!:duel: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
ThisGuy2 said:
I gotta say TG, this is looking pretty damned good. I'm starting to wonder if I wouldn't like my next one to be a short 3 weeker too. Hmm...

What do you think are some other compounds that might be useful in a similar dosing scheme? Also, when you say you're going to run a shorter pct, what do you have in mind?
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Well, as I've told you before, I think M1,4AD and maybe Trenadrol would make for a good 3 weeker. You say you don't like Epi so much, but it works fast. M-drol is very good for 3 week bursts. I really like D-Bol. The gains seem to come on really fast. Like within the first 7 to 10 days. And when I say I'm running a shorter PCT, that's because I'm running a short cycle. Time on=Time off. I enjoy these 3 week bursts for the fact that I can use slightly larger doses than I would for a 4 or 6 week cycle. And I'm finishing the cycle right before the sides start to elevate. I'm experiencing large gains while enduring extremely little sides. And because the cycles are short, my HPTA is suppressed for very short peroids of time, therefore it's easier and quicker to recover in my PCT's. I hope this helps to explain my reasoning for 3 week cycles. It's not a new idea. It's my version of the old "burst cycling" method. And I have really fell in love with it! I highly recommend some of you to try out a higher than normal dosed 3 week cycle and see how you gain. They're awesome! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
REVISED PCT PLAN---As it draws closer, I'm finishing up the final dosing details of my PCT that will follow this Blitz-Krieg. As it stand now this is how it will go. These doses are daily doses. WEEK 1: Clomid 100mg. My natty SERM mixture of Resveratrol 2 grams, and Horny Goat Weed Powder (20% Icariin) 2 grams. DHEA 200 mg. Testofen Powder (50% Fenusides extract from fenugreek) 1,500 mg. ATD 50 mg. WEEK 2: Clomid 50 mg. Resveratrol 1,500 mg. Horny Goat Weed Powder (20% Icariin) 1,500 mg. DHEA 150 mg. Testofen 2 grams. ATD 25 mg. WEEK 3: Resveratrol 1 gram. HGW Powder 1 gram. DHEA 100 mg. Testofen 3 grams. ATD 25 mg. I also take 2 grams of Milk Thistle, 2 grams of Hawthorn Berries, and 40 mg. of Policosanol everyday throughout PCT. This is how the plan looks so far, It might change, but probably not. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Kernkraft said:
Nice man - I like the looks of that plan - I've used fenotest in the past and it works great. I also like to throw in I3C, SAMe, resveratrol, and ZMA - really makes me not have to use a serm at high doses for the most part.

Hey! I'm also up at 4:15am, you crazy F's arent' the only early birds!
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I don't have any I3C, but I have DIM. Sorta the same thing. I actually have an old can of Universal Animal Stak II that I'm gonna use up during this PCT with the things I already described. Just to get rid of it. I've had it for over 6 months. It has Avena Sativa, Long Jack, DIM, Cacium D-Glutarate, some NO stuff, Milk Thistle, lots of stuff. 21 paks, so just right to throw in with my other PCT items. But the bulk of my PCT revolves around the Resveratrol, Icariin, Testofen (fenugreek), DHEA, and the ATD. Sounds like I've been reading a lot of Dr. D's advice doesn't it? Well it makes for very effective PCT's IMO!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Well, as I've told you before, I think M1,4AD and maybe Trenadrol would make for a good 3 weeker. You say you don't like Epi so much, but it works fast. M-drol is very good for 3 week bursts. I really like D-Bol. The gains seem to come on really fast. Like within the first 7 to 10 days. And when I say I'm running a shorter PCT, that's because I'm running a short cycle. Time on=Time off. I enjoy these 3 week bursts for the fact that I can use slightly larger doses than I would for a 4 or 6 week cycle. And I'm finishing the cycle right before the sides start to elevate. I'm experiencing large gains while enduring extremely little sides. And because the cycles are short, my HPTA is suppressed for very short peroids of time, therefore it's easier and quicker to recover in my PCT's. I hope this helps to explain my reasoning for 3 week cycles. It's not a new idea. It's my version of the old "burst cycling" method. And I have really fell in love with it! I highly recommend some of you to try out a higher than normal dosed 3 week cycle and see how you gain. They're awesome! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Yep, I figured on the M1,4ADD. That one's definitely in consideration for my next run. The gyno some people report throws me a little, but I'm not really predisposed. Trenadrol makes sense too. I've used it twice and both times just for 3 weeks during a longer cycle, but with great success. I know you've included MMV2, which I'm 100% sold on for my next cycle, regardless of whatever I stack it up with, but this time around you're using it as part of your pre-workout blend. I'd like to run it daily. As for Dbol...that's pretty tempting too.

As for the shorter PCT, I'm with you. It makes perfect sense, I was just wondering about the dosing, but I see you've covered that in the following post. A shorter PCT sounds great to me! Thanks for the advice. As always, it's much appreciated, bro.
 
TG, I'm glad you decided to scrap the TD form idea for post cycle. No joke, it's much better in an nha or on cycle. Considering it's high demand and low accessibility, you'll be glad you saved it.

I'll second Kernkraft's suggestion for SamE in post cycle. It has MUCH better scientific backing than milk thistle to protect the liver. It also has some mild joint protection benefits. For me, I notice enhanced mood (awake/alert) when I take it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning. It's pricey (there's no bargain bulk for this one). But it's one of the few "support" supplements that I find to be very effective.

I think you mentioned testofen in my log a while back. Could you elaborate a bit on it's effects (strength/mood/aggression/hardness/etc etc)? Maybe compare to the popular, albiet ineffective for me, divanil produtcs.
 
celc5 said:
TG, I'm glad you decided to scrap the TD form idea for post cycle. No joke, it's much better in an nha or on cycle. Considering it's high demand and low accessibility, you'll be glad you saved it.

I'll second Kernkraft's suggestion for SamE in post cycle. It has MUCH better scientific backing than milk thistle to protect the liver. It also has some mild joint protection benefits. For me, I notice enhanced mood (awake/alert) when I take it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning. It's pricey (there's no bargain bulk for this one). But it's one of the few "support" supplements that I find to be very effective.

I think you mentioned testofen in my log a while back. Could you elaborate a bit on it's effects (strength/mood/aggression/hardness/etc etc)? Maybe compare to the popular, albiet ineffective for me, divanil produtcs.
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Well Celc, I've always known that Formestane is somewhat suppressive as it converts to 4-hydroxy-testosterone. So it is better on cycle. I've used my Form/Trione TD combo for the last few days to start lowering estrogen as I appraoch PCT starting Sunday. It's also leaned me up some and shed some water. I've only been using 60 mg. per day transdermally of each Form and Trione. This PCT I'm going with oral ATD in low doses. How do you feel about the oral bioavailability of ATD Celc? I've seen some say it is not very active orally, but then I have seen numerous posts stating that it is highly effective taken orally. What's your opinion? As you looked over my revised PCT, I'll bet you saw instant similarities to Dr. D's PCT protocol. The Fenugreek, DHEA, and ATD are all classic Dr. D PCT recommendations. It just plain works! The Testofen I take is fenugreek extracted to 50% Fenusides. It is more potent than standard fenugreek. I like it much better than divanil. MUCH better! It brings my boys back full and loaded within the first week of PCT. Makes the skin a little oily with a little acne. It is good for mood, aggression, and strength. I encourage others to try out this PCT I outlined a few posts earlier on this page. It is very sound and effective!!:study: :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
To my daughters godfather, your doing great bro, that pct plan is awesome too, im actualy thinking im might copy that, its a bit stronger than mine, so i might lower the dosages slightly as ive been on a lower dose than you, but its cool.
Take care my friend , RUSSKY CELER!!!!! it means russian power. I send it too you, to go with your viking power.
 
russianstar said:
To my daughters godfather, your doing great bro, that pct plan is awesome too, im actualy thinking im might copy that, its a bit stronger than mine, so i might lower the dosages slightly as ive been on a lower dose than you, but its cool.
Take care my friend , RUSSKY CELER!!!!! it means russian power. I send it too you, to go with your viking power.
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Thanks for the Russky Celer!! And I bestow upon you the Viking Beserker Rage!! Next training session, I want you to put on the "bear shirt"!! Become the Beast!!:aargh: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
How do you feel about the oral bioavailability of ATD Celc?
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Anecdotally, seems to be effective both orally and transdermally. Although, I've heard solid arguements as to why it shouldn't work with EITHER delivery method :fool2: So who really knows?

I think there's MORE feedback with the novedex and formadrol atds than with the less "fancy" atd options. But that doesnt necessarily mean that they are better in way.

I read a post on another board from a reliable source that said he really enjoyed the dermabolic TD atd. I wouldnt know where to start with TD dosages though
 
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celc5 said:
Anecdotally, seems to be effective both orally and transdermally. Although, I've heard solid arguements as to why it shouldn't work with EITHER delivery method :fool2: So who really knows?

I think there's MORE feedback with the novedex and formadrol atds than with the less "fancy" atd options. But that doesnt necessarily mean that they are better in way.

I read a post on another board from a reliable source that said he really enjoyed the dermabolic TD atd. I wouldnt know where to start with TD dosages though
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Thanks for your feed-back as always friend! I've used the Dermabolics Topical ATD once before with no problems. No libido issues like all of the parrots here seem to keep squawking about!:rant: The TD dosage on Dermabolics bottle was recommended at 25 mg. per day. But in a TD, that's more like 75 mg. in my estimation. I'll be using my ATD orally so I can really control the doses. I'm going to heat 40 ML. of olive oil in a baby food jar in the oven at 250 for 20 minutes as bpmartyr suggested to me. Then I'll add 1 gram of ATD powder and stir and shake till thoroughly mixed. Then I'll shake the Hela out of it before every use. I'll draw out 1 ml. using an oral baby syringe. Take it before bed with 5 grams of fish oil! Should work just fine. I'll be letting everyone know as I start PCT next week. :study:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
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Thanks for your feed-back as always friend! I've used the Dermabolics Topical ATD once before with no problems. No libido issues like all of the parrots here seem to keep squawking about!:rant: The TD dosage on Dermabolics bottle was recommended at 25 mg. per day. But in a TD, that's more like 75 mg. in my estimation. I'll be using my ATD orally so I can really control the doses. I'm going to heat 40 ML. of olive oil in a baby food jar in the oven at 250 for 20 minutes as bpmartyr suggested to me. Then I'll add 1 gram of ATD powder and stir and shake till thoroughly mixed. Then I'll shake the Hela out of it before every use. I'll draw out 1 ml. using an oral baby syringe. Take it before bed with 5 grams of fish oil! Should work just fine. I'll be letting everyone know as I start PCT next week. :study:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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TG...kickin' ass and takin' names!
 
DAY 18--Battle Assessment--CHEST AND TRICEPS--- First let me just say,"WOW"!! Damn it's on like Donkey-Kong now!!:head: Some numbers from the fray!! FLAT BENCH PRESSES: 290 X 12!! Immediate drop to 215 X 9. INCLINE BENCH PRESSES: 280 X10!! Immediate drop to 205 X 10. PEC-DECK FLYES: 190 X 12. Immediate drop to 120 X 10. ONE-ARM CABLE-CROSSOVERS: 80 X 10. Immediate drop to 60 X 10. DUMBELL PULLOVERS: 120 X 12. STANDING TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS: 175 X 10! PR! Immediate drop to 110 X 11. ONE-ARM SEATED TRICEPS CABLE EXTENSIONS: 75 X 10. PR but very hard!! Immediate drop to 50 X 8. REVERSE-GRIP PUSHDOWNS: 115 X 10. Immediate drop to 80 X 8. This was the best workout of this cycle so far!! I'm totally phukkin' stoked!! I feel great on this cycle. Like a battle-maddened Beast!!:aargh: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer: EDIT: I just wanted to add that I checked my Blood Pressure a little while ago and it was 130/82!! That's not bad for me, plus the gear I'm taking. I'm very well-pleased with this cycle. No bad sides to report!!
 
thundergod said:
THE THUNDERGOD:hammer: EDIT: I just wanted to add that I checked my Blood Pressure a little while ago and it was 130/82!! That's not bad for me, plus the gear I'm taking. I'm very well-pleased with this cycle. No bad sides to report!!
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Great,........... the more sht like that I read the more I contemplate our conversation from the other day. Decisions, decisions....:frustrate Nice wo TG!! As always!! Do you ever run the rack for bi's bro, cause I think you would get a kick outa that!!
 
BlackSheep said:
Great,........... the more sht like that I read the more I contemplate our conversation from the other day. Decisions, decisions....:frustrate Nice wo TG!! As always!! Do you ever run the rack for bi's bro, cause I think you would get a kick outa that!!
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I LOVE running the rack on bi's! It totally kills them.
 
thundergod said:
DAY 18--Battle Assessment--CHEST AND TRICEPS--- First let me just say,"WOW"!! Damn it's on like Donkey-Kong now!!:head: Some numbers from the fray!! FLAT BENCH PRESSES: 290 X 12!! Immediate drop to 215 X 9. INCLINE BENCH PRESSES: 280 X10!! Immediate drop to 205 X 10. PEC-DECK FLYES: 190 X 12. Immediate drop to 120 X 10. ONE-ARM CABLE-CROSSOVERS: 80 X 10. Immediate drop to 60 X 10. DUMBELL PULLOVERS: 120 X 12. STANDING TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS: 175 X 10! PR! Immediate drop to 110 X 11. ONE-ARM SEATED TRICEPS CABLE EXTENSIONS: 75 X 10. PR but very hard!! Immediate drop to 50 X 8. REVERSE-GRIP PUSHDOWNS: 115 X 10. Immediate drop to 80 X 8. This was the best workout of this cycle so far!! I'm totally phukkin' stoked!! I feel great on this cycle. Like a battle-maddened Beast!!:aargh: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer: EDIT: I just wanted to add that I checked my Blood Pressure a little while ago and it was 130/82!! That's not bad for me, plus the gear I'm taking. I'm very well-pleased with this cycle. No bad sides to report!!
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Damn TG, you're tearing it up, man! I usually incorporate drops, but I really dig your all-drop workout. I'm gonna have to give that a shot (with more mortal-friendly weight, tho!)
 
BlackSheep said:
Great,........... the more sht like that I read the more I contemplate our conversation from the other day. Decisions, decisions....:frustrate Nice wo TG!! As always!! Do you ever run the rack for bi's bro, cause I think you would get a kick outa that!!
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What conversation? Dawg, you keepin' Force in the dark?
 
BlackSheep said:
Great,........... the more sht like that I read the more I contemplate our conversation from the other day. Decisions, decisions....:frustrate Nice wo TG!! As always!! Do you ever run the rack for bi's bro, cause I think you would get a kick outa that!!
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Bro, I'm not experiencing any bad sides at all. I would report 'em if I was dealin' with 'em, but I'm not! Honestly!! Nothing negative to say about this cycle at all. I feel like I'm on top of the freakin' world!!:woohoo: You should already know what my decision would be for ya!! DO IT DOG!!! And yeah, I've ran the rack on bi's, tri's, and delts. They're great to finish off a bodypart! Fry 'em to a crisp,:smite: then get the Hela outta the gym and grow!!:bb3: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
It is a whole different story while on.I have just read that drop sets shouldn't be used on a regular basis.Just every now and then to shock the muscles.Because either A:you become accustomed to them.Or B:you become overtrained.I'm sure you're going to stop after the cycle though.I heard a guy in a mag or at t-nation say if you want to incorporate them regularly,to do one body part a week switching from muscle to muscle week to week.Again I'm sure you know this and it's a whole different story while on.Just figured I'd throw my little bit of knowledge out there.

How long did you run the MMV2 TG?I stopped mine today after 22 days and started PCT.DTH and leviathin reloaded!I'm excited about that alone!The sooner I quit the sooner I can start my havoc.I had bought 2 bottles of MMV2 and was going to run both back to back.I opened the one yesterday to get 2 out to complete my daily dose of 4,and realised that was the half way mark.If I continue the next bottle it will be 7 weeks before I'm done with PCT.Now it will be 4.
 
ThisGuy2 said:
Damn TG, you're tearing it up, man! I usually incorporate drops, but I really dig your all-drop workout. I'm gonna have to give that a shot (with more mortal-friendly weight, tho!)
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This is how I roll during my cycles ThisGuy2!!:head: Lots of drop sets, some descending sets, some rest-pause reps at the end of some really heavy sh*t, like Squats and Bench Presses, and some forced-reps at the end of some exercises. But on the majority of my exercises, drop sets seem to work wonderfully, especially Machine work, where all you have to do is move the pin. And while on-cycle I keep rest between sets to about 45 seconds. No more!! This also helps to up the intensity level. I've explained this before, but I guess it bears repeating. What I list, is not all of the exercises nor sets that I perform every workout. I don't list the entire workout!! I just post a few of the highlights from the battle-front!! :numbered: When I go on PCT, I usually just stick to heavy straight sets, with a little extra rest between sets (but no more than 60 to 90 seconds). No drop sets, forced reps, or anything like that. Just heavy, brutal straight sets!! Me and my body love the change! It shocks my muscles into further growth. Then when I go back on-cycle, it's time to up the intensity again!! Everything has to be cycled in order to remain effective. :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
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It is a whole different story while on.I have just read that drop sets shouldn't be used on a regular basis.Just every now and then to shock the muscles.Because either A:you become accustomed to them.Or B:you become overtrained.I'm sure you're going to stop after the cycle though.I heard a guy in a mag or at t-nation say if you want to incorporate them regularly,to do one body part a week switching from muscle to muscle week to week.Again I'm sure you know this and it's a whole different story while on.Just figured I'd throw my little bit of knowledge out there.

How long did you run the MMV2 TG?I stopped mine today after 22 days and started PCT.DTH and leviathin reloaded!I'm excited about that alone!The sooner I quit the sooner I can start my havoc.I had bought 2 bottles of MMV2 and was going to run both back to back.I opened the one yesterday to get 2 out to complete my daily dose of 4,and realised that was the half way mark.If I continue the next bottle it will be 7 weeks before I'm done with PCT.Now it will be 4.
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I'm sure by now, you've read my next post stating that I only use the drop-sets, rest-pause reps, and forced-reps only while I'm on-cycle.:study: The body can handle the extra stress due to the gear you're taking! When I go into PCT, it's back to heavy basic sets. Just straight sets, no drops sets, or descending sets, or rest-pause reps, or any of that. I just do those on-cycle. If I were you, I'd use that extra bottle of MMV2 during your Havoc cycle. Take 3 caps of MMV2 1 hour before your workouts. Only use 'em on training days. Not off days! You'll really get a charge out of using 'em like this! That Havoc run will be off the charts if you run the MMV2 pre-workout on that cycle!!:head: Have a tremendous cycle my broski!! :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
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Everything has to be cycled in order to remain effective. :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Truer words were never spoken!! I post this in the Training forums here ALL THE TIME!!! Switch it up out there guys don't be afraid to stray from the Heard!!
I have more or less completely Ostracised myself from "normal" training (normal anything for that matter). I'll jump back on the band wagon every now and then for some good 'ol 4 sets of 10 wo's but for me that's switching it up. That's why this sport is so great for arrogant, defiant bastards like me. There's no one there to tell you what to do...........just you, the Iron, and most importantly your will!! There is no I in team, but in Bodybuilding there is only I !!!!!!:bow28:
 
thundergod said:
I'm sure by now, you've read my next post stating that I only use the drop-sets, rest-pause reps, and forced-reps only while I'm on-cycle.:study: The body can handle the extra stress due to the gear you're taking! When I go into PCT, it's back to heavy basic sets. Just straight sets, no drops sets, or descending sets, or rest-pause reps, or any of that. I just do those on-cycle. If I were you, I'd use that extra bottle of MMV2 during your Havoc cycle. Take 3 caps of MMV2 1 hour before your workouts. Only use 'em on training days. Not off days! You'll really get a charge out of using 'em like this! That Havoc run will be off the charts if you run the MMV2 pre-workout on that cycle!!:head: Have a tremendous cycle my broski!! :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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I was thinking about doing that but I've never ran havoc and everytime I make any kind of supp/diet change,well theirs ore than one leavingme unsure of which did the most help.So I was thinking about doing the havoc alone and then running the MMV2 shortly after PCT.I might though.I have now ran MMV2 and it seemed to help alot with maintaining size and strength whil dropping BF.But then again,will I realy need help with that while on havoc?

Oh yeah!How long did you run the MMV2?
 
BlackSheep said:
Good morning Early Birds!!!!
And to my big bro TG, yes you know I'm gonna DO IT!!!
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PM me with the final details please. And don't forget to PM F.O.G. and tell him. The suspense is killin' him!!:saw: lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
BlackSheep said:
Truer words were never spoken!! I post this in the Training forums here ALL THE TIME!!! Switch it up out there guys don't be afraid to stray from the Heard!!
I have more or less completely Ostracised myself from "normal" training (normal anything for that matter). I'll jump back on the band wagon every now and then for some good 'ol 4 sets of 10 wo's but for me that's switching it up. That's why this sport is so great for arrogant, defiant bastards like me. There's no one there to tell you what to do...........just you, the Iron, and most importantly your will!! There is no I in team, but in Bodybuilding there is only I !!!!!!:bow28:
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Truer words were never spoken!!......Or were they?Ah....I don't get guys that don't switch it up.That sh!t will get boring after a while.Even if it's not it gets more fun after a month or so to switch it up.And obvisouly the muscles will get used to something after so long.I heard that you could workout with some pros for a very long time and never guess just what they're going to do.I can guess what many guys at my gym are going to do.
 
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pantera101 said:
I was thinking about doing that but I've never ran havoc and everytime I make any kind of supp/diet change,well theirs ore than one leavingme unsure of which did the most help.So I was thinking about doing the havoc alone and then running the MMV2 shortly after PCT.I might though.I have now ran MMV2 and it seemed to help alot with maintaining size and strength whil dropping BF.But then again,will I realy need help with that while on havoc?

Oh yeah!How long did you run the MMV2?
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OOPS! I forgot to answer your question of how long I ran the MMV2? Sorry. It was 30 days exactly. LG Sciences' sent me 2 bottles to run at double-dose (6 caps per day) due to my size and past PH/PS experience. It closely resembles the steroid Anavar. Not super-strong, but very good to retain size and strength while cutting bodyfat! I lost 5 pounds on that cycle, but looked bigger and leaner at the end of it. And strength increased nicely while on a low-carb, strict diet! The MMV2 is UBER for pre-workout aggression and rage!! I still would like to see you run 3 caps of MMV2 1 hour before your workouts while on that Havoc cycle. In essence, you'd be running Anavar and Epithio in an awesome stack!! You'll come back and thank me for the crazy suggestion!! :fool2:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
PM me with the final details please. And don't forget to PM F.O.G. and tell him. The suspense is killin' him!!:saw: lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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I will let me iron it out and I'll send out some PM's.
Dude, TG, did you see that last pic Force posted in his log?? Dude looks fcuking incredible For Real!!:jaw:
 
BlackSheep said:
I will let me iron it out and I'll send out some PM's.
Dude, TG, did you see that last pic Force posted in his log?? Dude looks fcuking incredible For Real!!:jaw:
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Do you mean the one with him kneeling on the floor? Yes, that looks awesome! But he said that was from over a year ago! He's still looking awesome though. And he trains in a VERY unorthodox manner. I love it when people train their own way and march to the beat of their own drummer. Like you Brosenstein! We're all here to help each other with training advice, but in the end, you have to find your own path!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
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OOPS! I forgot to answer your question of how long I ran the MMV2? Sorry. It was 30 days exactly. LG Sciences' sent me 2 bottles to run at double-dose (6 caps per day) due to my size and past PH/PS experience. It closely resembles the steroid Anavar. Not super-strong, but very good to retain size and strength while cutting bodyfat! I lost 5 pounds on that cycle, but looked bigger and leaner at the end of it. And strength increased nicely while on a low-carb, strict diet! The MMV2 is UBER for pre-workout aggression and rage!! I still would like to see you run 3 caps of MMV2 1 hour before your workouts while on that Havoc cycle. In essence, you'd be running Anavar and Epithio in an awesome stack!! You'll come back and thank me for the crazy suggestion!! :fool2:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Yeah I'll probably do both.What's FOG's log BS?
 
thundergod said:
Do you mean the one with him kneeling on the floor? Yes, that looks awesome! But he said that was from over a year ago! He's still looking awesome though. And he trains in a VERY unorthodox manner. I love it when people train their own way and march to the beat of their own drummer. Like you Brosenstein! We're all here to help each other with training advice, but in the end, you have to find your own path!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Yea that's the one, he's actualy a PT and he works at a gym so he gets to train whenever I think. But yea he's a cool cat for sure and his training style is def "next gen" lol.
Hey bro check this sht out, I started this new program (you guys have probably heard of it) it's called Back to Back training. You do 3 moves for one BP for 3 sets of 15 repps in the am. Then you go back to the gym 8 hours later and do the exact same wo again with the same weight, repps, everything. It's supposed to be one of the most effective mass size and fullness programs out so I'm giving it a quick 4week review.
 
BlackSheep said:
Yea that's the one, he's actualy a PT and he works at a gym so he gets to train whenever I think. But yea he's a cool cat for sure and his training style is def "next gen" lol.
Hey bro check this sht out, I started this new program (you guys have probably heard of it) it's called Back to Back training. You do 3 moves for one BP for 3 sets of 15 repps in the am. Then you go back to the gym 8 hours later and do the exact same wo again with the same weight, repps, everything. It's supposed to be one of the most effective mass size and fullness programs out so I'm giving it a quick 4week review.
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That would probably be more effective while on-cycle bro. The gear would help to keep you from over-training. But at least we have you around here to try out these off-the-wall new training methods of today's new stars! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
That would probably be more effective while on-cycle bro. The gear would help to keep you from over-training. But at least we have you around here to try out these off-the-wall new training methods of today's new stars! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Yea I though the same thing myself lol....I'm the only "star" doing some crazy sht like this though lol....
I got it out of Jim Stoppani's book "The Encyclopedia of Muscle and Strength". He does all the wo programs that are in the "Muscle and Fitness" mags. Actually now that you mention it I'll probably go back to doing my high repp (12-20) lots of volume wo's for the next 4weeks. Then I'll do 4 weeks of just pure Strength training (4-5 repp 95%1RM) to get my weights up there for D-Day where I'll do the Back to Back program throughout!
 
I got my X Factor in today..wondering if I should add it in the var cycle or save it, ah the decisions.
 
crader said:
I got my X Factor in today..wondering if I should add it in the var cycle or save it, ah the decisions.
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How are you dosing your Var at this point in the cycle crader? THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Always. I'm constantly critiquing my training methods and my diet to make sure they're on point. And they are. I just feel that short burst cycles are better for not overwhelming the HPTA, and causing massive shutdown for extended periods of time. I know suppression will definately occur with my dosages, but not for a long duration. It's easier for me to "bounce-back" during my PCT. I also get to do shorter PCT's because of the shorter cycles, which gives me a quicker opportunity to get back on another short burst cycle to keep the gains moving in a more steady fashoin. I recommend others to try this method out for themselves. Longer cycles= longer PCT's and worse suppression. You also stand to lose these gains in the longer PCT's. These are my personal opinions drawn from real-world experience only. No "Bro-Knowledge" here!! There are huge differences between "in-vida versus in-vivo" :study: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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I agree, I saw some guys logs where they follow the nelson montana 3 week cycle approach, they used orals and fast acting injectables , they got pretty decent keepable gains with virtually no pct , they do a 3 on 4-6 off with the kind of results I`m looking for, that's why will begin to do them also.
The only thing I believe its a good idea to look up to(sold by PA and I saw some guys that are doing it with pleasant results ) its maybe do a 10 day bridge to pct with 11-oxo, it allows the body to begin with the production of endogenous test and it doesnt leave him with a complete hormonal breakdown , I`ll try it for sure.
Good luck thunder and nice log
 
Damn bro this log has been a trip and a half around the world. I'm very surprised that you aren't experiencing any sides.
 
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