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The Ultimate Primordial PCT

I was a bit skeptical of EndoAmp at first, but my PS based cort blocker has 100mg Phosphatidylserine as where EndoAmp has 800.

The other Phosphatidyl ingredients were more than doubled on EndoAmp. It looks a little more interesting now.
 
Condition1 said:
I was a bit skeptical of EndoAmp at first, but my PS based cort blocker has 100mg Phosphatidylserine as where EndoAmp has 800.

The other Phosphatidyl ingredients were more than doubled on EndoAmp. It looks a little more interesting now.
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EndoAmp is sweet
 
With this PCT plus Novla, is this something you would take all together or would you take 1 at a time through out a split period of time?
 
MaxGolf said:
All at the same time. Take a look at the 1st post. It has a PCT guide.
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Thanks MaxGolf. I figured that but reading through much of the PCT section people give the PCT list they're going to run. Then it turns out that some of the other products get run 15 days, 3 weeks etc. into the PCT.
 
liddodragon said:
Thanks MaxGolf. I figured that but reading through much of the PCT section people give the PCT list they're going to run. Then it turns out that some of the other products get run 15 days, 3 weeks etc. into the PCT.
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Its all good. Alway better to ask and make sure. dont wanna mess with your PCT
 
I was leaning towards a pulse and the Primordial PCT. Any suggestions on off days other than Cycle Support which I'll be taking everyday.
 
I think you could run sustain thru the cycle, and also pct. I don't think there would be a problem running it for 8 weeks
 
8-10 weeks for sustain, both during cycle + for PCT. could probably dose it lighter during cycle too so one bottle would last the 6 weeks of the pulse, and a full bottle during PCT.
 
EasyEJL said:
8-10 weeks for sustain, both during cycle + for PCT. could probably dose it lighter during cycle too so one bottle would last the 6 weeks of the pulse, and a full bottle during PCT.
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Cool. Much appreciated Easy! Didn't wanna mess with my PCT. I saw your guys comments on this product and it sounds promising. Just wasn't clear since most of the posts regarding pulse have multiple items they're taking on off days when they aren't using this product.
 
well, with the concept of the pulse, you can go with a testosterone boosting agent or an AI either off days or all days. really with epistane its pretty mellow but particularly with 2 on/2off I think you need something with it to maximize the bump back during the off days
 
Well, sustain is a natty test booster + ai :) so thats why I was suggesting it. most people take a capsule product, but if you were going to order a bottle for PCT anyhow, may as well get 2, and I think get free shipping since the order will be over $100 :) I think 3 pumps on cycle and then 5 pumps during PCT should have you feeling good the whole time and with minimal to no suppression
 
What if I cant get my hands on Nolva or Clomid....

Is there an OTC you would suggest like 6 oxo?
 
double s said:
What if I cant get my hands on Nolva or Clomid....

Is there an OTC you would suggest like 6 oxo?
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Definitely not 6-oxo. It’s a steroid hormone that will eventually suppress your natural testosterone production.

Basically what EJ used was the Invalid Link Removedwhich is a complete natural PCT stack. (he didn’t use the EndoAmp though)

-Pp
 
Okay so you guys have your SERM & cortisol control covered...

Whats a good AI you suggest?

Indole-3-Carbinol?
Diindolylmethane (DIM)?
Chrysin?
Formestane?

Thanks!
 
pistonpump said:
the AI is in the Sustain...correct me if im wrong.
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Yes, the Resveratrol and Benzoflavone are both natural AI's. You wouldnt want anything more powerful than this for PCT, except for maybe some calcium-d-glucarate (which actually isnt an AI, but helps clear excess estrogens)

-Pp
 
caliboy said:
would you suggest phyto-testosterone for use in pct as well?
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Its not really the most ideal thing for PCT since its not going to be stimulating your total T levels, but it would help preserve your gains.

Just be sure that you have Sustain, Toco-8 and EndoAmp before going for Phyto-Test.

-Eric
 
I think next PCT for me I will include the phytotest. It would seem to be a nice way to extend cycle gains.
 
I was already planning on that, however I thinking ahead in that I might want to order 2 bottles of sustain rather than 1 in order to do a 6 pumps regime. Im about 4 days into a 3 week m1t cycle and im hoping for good things from this pct :)
 
onemind1body said:
I was already planning on that, however I thinking ahead in that I might want to order 2 bottles of sustain rather than 1 in order to do a 6 pumps regime. Im about 4 days into a 3 week m1t cycle and im hoping for good things from this pct :)
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You will probably enjoy the PCT more than the cycle. ;-)

-Pp
 
luclyluciano said:
Primordial Perf said:
Definitely not 6-oxo. It’s a steroid hormone that will eventually suppress your natural testosterone production.


Is this really true? I thought 6-OXO is a natural product. Could U be confusing 6-oxo with 11-oxo???
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They are both synthetic steroid hormones. (even though they may be naturally present in the body at a very small percent)

Any exogenous hormone (ie, 6-oxo) is eventually going to reduce the amount of testosterone you naturally produce. This is why we only recommend using these types of products while on cycle, instead of during PCT. You want to clear all exogenous hormones while on PCT.

-Pp
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Primordial Perf said:
luclyluciano said:
They are both synthetic steroid hormones. (even though they may be naturally present in the body at a very small percent)

Any exogenous hormone (ie, 6-oxo) is eventually going to reduce the amount of testosterone you naturally produce. This is why we only recommend using these types of products while on cycle, instead of during PCT. You want to clear all exogenous hormones while on PCT.

-Pp
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Just checked out Ergopharm's website & it says that 6-0x0 is an ALL natural and NON-hormonal estrogin blocker not an exogenous hormone as you say. NO offence but What's the truth?


Lucky
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How does this look?

6 week Epi pulse, Sustain on off days, Cycle support ED.

PCT:
Primordial Recovery Stack
Novla
Cycle Support
All the other goodies like fish oil, etc. throughout cycle and PCT
 
luclyluciano said:
Primordial Perf said:
Just checked out Ergopharm's website & it says that 6-0x0 is an ALL natural and NON-hormonal estrogin blocker not an exogenous hormone as you say. NO offence but What's the truth?


Lucky
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6-oxo (Androstenetrione) is a bonafide steroid hormone, and "natural" because it's present in the body at an extremely low level. They have no basis to say its "non-hormonal"... its total BS.

It's exogenous because you're taking it from an outside source (a pill).

-Pp
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liddodragon said:
How does this look?

6 week Epi pulse, Sustain on off days, Cycle support ED.

PCT:
Primordial Recovery Stack
Novla
Cycle Support
All the other goodies like fish oil, etc. throughout cycle and PCT
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Although Im not really a fan of pulsing, your plan sounds good.

Are you talking about real nolva or the supplement?

-Eric
 
Primordial Perf said:
Although Im not really a fan of pulsing, your plan sounds good.

Are you talking about real nolva or the supplement?

-Eric
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I value your opinion and about to order 2 bottles of Dermacrine. Why are you not a fan of Pulsing...that's all I've done and why do feel a straight cycle is best.

Thanx Lucky
 
luclyluciano said:
I to order 2 bottles of . Why are you not a fan of Pulsing...that's all I've done and why do feel a straight cycle is best.

Thanx Lucky
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I also Like pulsing. Heavy dosed Short cycles tax the cardio with quick usually unmaintable gains. For me steady quality gains over 8 to 12 weeks are much better and more sustainable. I know their is still some shutdown but cant we fight it with supps like Sustain and PCS and maybe a little DHEA.. Anyways those are the ones I am running on off days. I have know many folks that run all kinds of GEAR and have never seen any one have good = sustainable success with high dose short cycles.
 
poacher said:
I also Like pulsing. Heavy dosed Short cycles tax the cardio with quick usually unmaintable gains. For me steady quality gains over 8 to 12 weeks are much better and more sustainable. I know their is still some shutdown but cant we fight it with supps like Sustain and PCS and maybe a little DHEA.. Anyways those are the ones I am running on off days. I have know many folks that run all kinds of GEAR and have never seen any one have good = sustainable success with high dose short cycles.[/QUOTE

I haven't used sustain or DHEA yet but I have used 6oxo and let me tell you....It blows the doors off aPCT. My libido has never been better!
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I haven't used sustain or DHEA yet but I have used 6oxo and let me tell you....It blows the doors off aPCT. My libido has never been better![/QUOTE]
Could you please share how you dosed it and when you started it. I heard it should be added around week 3 of PCT. Thanks
 
luclyluciano said:
I value your opinion and about to order 2 bottles of Dermacrine. Why are you not a fan of Pulsing...that's all I've done and why do feel a straight cycle is best.

Thanx Lucky
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Roller coaster dosing isn’t as effective as steady evenly administered dosing – atleast for an anabolic effect. Plus, pulsing gives a false sense of security about not being shutdown. Most AAS/pro-hormones are suppressive enough that taking a “low” dose, or no dose for 1-2 days isn’t enough to allow any kind of HPTA renewal.

Besides, if you’re pulsing to avoid nasty side-effects, then you’re using probably using a hormone you shouldn’t be using.

-Pp
 
poacher said:
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I haven't used sustain or DHEA yet but I have used 6oxo and let me tell you....It blows the doors off aPCT. My libido has never been better!
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Could you please share how you dosed it and when you started it. I heard it should be added around week 3 of PCT. Thanks[/QUOTE]

just ordered 2 bottles od DHEA...excited to use it since I'm 45 yrs young & heard good things for guys my age!

Re; dosing of 6-0x0...I followed instructions...with last meal of the day...started @ 6 caps and tapering down!

Lucky
 
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