I love to cycle! ...last half of cycle mini log.

thundergod said:
Piston, When you inject, aren't you supposed to pull the plunger back to see if you're in a vein? I'm getting ready to pop my cherry here soon, so I need all the info I can gather! I don't mind jumping into the abyss, I just like to keep my eyes open while doing so!! lol Oh, by the way, I've changed my plan for my first injectable cycle. I want to shoot it past you here, if you don't mind. I'm goin with a Primobolan/D-Bol combo instead of the Test-E or Test-Prop. I don't need a lot of extra mass, but would rather add only lean muscle instead. So my plan is as follows: D-Bol kickstart @30 mg. per day for the first 4 weeks. Primobolan @100 mg. EOD for 8 weeks. Weeks 7 and 8 I will add Proviron @50 mg. per day to solidify my gains. I was just not looking forward to a bunch of senseless bloat from the Test. Primo will be much leaner in nature from what I'm reading. Any thoughts my brudda frum anudda mudda?! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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sup TG, yeah youre supposed to pull back on the plunger first (aspirate) but sometimes this isnt done. I know its a bad habit but for instance when using a bigger needle such as a 1in or 1 1/2 inch in say a place where its hard to use two hands, aspirating can be very very tough. Most of the time ill just make sure i dont feel anything uncomfortable and i go deep into the muscle, this almost always ensures that you are clear to shoot. Now on the other hand for some reason im not so concerned with peptides but i probably should be....im just more scared of oil going IV than waterbased....To tell the truth i didnt even swab with alcohol last night, i just got back from the gym and was in a hurry to get to work, got my pin ready and shot. I did wipe clean after tho. Now if i get an infection or whatever itll be my fault from not being completely sterile with my procedures. I guess after a while you can get complacent. :nono:

The switch to primo sounds nice but may leave you dissappointed im not sure. I know i would love to run that cycle myself. Thats one of arnolds favs along with deca... Proviron should be used the whole cycle imo, it wont do much as far as hardening goes, its more for binding to SHBG and getting more free test going along with boost libido. Its weak in its own right as far as strength or hardening goes. Get some winstrol instead if you want to solidify......or epi would work imo. Keep me posted immortal one!
 
thundergod said:
Thanks bro! That has a lot of good info in it. I added it to my favorites list! Good deal man! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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favorites list? do we have one on AM or is it your personal PC one?


SHoulder looks like a lil bruise only slightly sore to the touch....i just pray its sterile and wont turn to an abcess.
The GHRP-6 has got my stomach turning :food:
 
thundergod said:
Piston, When you inject, aren't you supposed to pull the plunger back to see if you're in a vein? I'm getting ready to pop my cherry here soon, so I need all the info I can gather! I don't mind jumping into the abyss, I just like to keep my eyes open while doing so!! lol Oh, by the way, I've changed my plan for my first injectable cycle. I want to shoot it past you here, if you don't mind. I'm goin with a Primobolan/D-Bol combo instead of the Test-E or Test-Prop. I don't need a lot of extra mass, but would rather add only lean muscle instead. So my plan is as follows: D-Bol kickstart @30 mg. per day for the first 4 weeks. Primobolan @100 mg. EOD for 8 weeks. Weeks 7 and 8 I will add Proviron @50 mg. per day to solidify my gains. I was just not looking forward to a bunch of senseless bloat from the Test. Primo will be much leaner in nature from what I'm reading. Any thoughts my brudda frum anudda mudda?! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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I still think you should go with test, there are many ways to keep the bloat down. I never get bloated looking on test if i make the right precautions(ai,diet,ect..). You can make it a very lean cycle if you keep your calories correct. I think if you aren't trying to not gain alot of mass and keep your calories lower you will lean even more so and still put on some good muscle.test is used for more than just a bulk. imo
 
hman85 said:
I still think you should go with test, there are many ways to keep the bloat down. I never get bloated looking on test if i make the right precautions(ai,diet,ect..). You can make it a very lean cycle if you keep your calories correct. I think if you aren't trying to not gain alot of mass and keep your calories lower you will lean even more so and still put on some good muscle.test is used for more than just a bulk. imo
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well said and very true. Ive never blown up on test personally.
 
pistonpump said:
favorites list? do we have one on AM or is it your personal PC one?


SHoulder looks like a lil bruise only slightly sore to the touch....i just pray its sterile and wont turn to an abcess.
The GHRP-6 has got my stomach turning :food:
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Yeah, the favs on my personal PC. lol I may drop the Proviron and run Winny at 50 mg. per day for the final 4 weeks of the Primo cycle. Or, I might go with 20 or 30 mg. of Epi per day those final 4 weeks, like you suggested. Why would I be disappointed with this cycle if it was one of Arnold's faves? Would I need more than 400 mg. of Primo per week? If so, that's no problem. I've heard of people using 100 mg. ED for a 700 mg. total for the week. I just thought that would be a little high for me, it being my first injectable cycle and all. Keep an eye on that shoulder broski! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
pistonpump said:
I would just like to thank everyone once again for joining me here, apprieciate the company and support.
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The privilege and the pleasure have been all mine brah! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Yeah, the favs on my personal PC. lol I may drop the Proviron and run Winny at 50 mg. per day for the final 4 weeks of the Primo cycle. Or, I might go with 20 or 30 mg. of Epi per day those final 4 weeks, like you suggested. Why would I be disappointed with this cycle if it was one of Arnold's faves? Would I need more than 400 mg. of Primo per week? If so, that's no problem. I've heard of people using 100 mg. ED for a 700 mg. total for the week. I just thought that would be a little high for me, it being my first injectable cycle and all. Keep an eye on that shoulder broski! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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id go for 600mg ew even it being your first injectable it surely isnt your first cycle and you have some weight on ya so i think youll need at least 500mg either that or the dbol will need to get bumped. Thats why arnold loved it cuz he would pop 100mg dbol a day from what ive heard. But then again you dont want the bloat so thats not a good option. Just research more on the average primo doses. here is a little site, i didnt read much of it but it looks good Invalid Link Removed read on the fast acting primo too which i assume you were going to use since youd be pinning eod. go for the enanthate estered primo imo...less injects too.
 
pistonpump said:
id go for 600mg ew even it being your first injectable it surely isnt your first cycle and you have some weight on ya so i think youll need at least 500mg either that or the dbol will need to get bumped. Thats why arnold loved it cuz he would pop 100mg dbol a day from what ive heard. But then again you dont want the bloat so thats not a good option. Just research more on the average primo doses. here is a little site, i didnt read much of it but it looks good Invalid Link Removed read on the fast acting primo too which i assume you were going to use since youd be pinning eod. go for the enanthate estered primo imo...less injects too.
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Thanks for your help as always Piston. You're the best! I'll go with 150 mg. of Primo EOD so I can keep the D-Bol low at 30 mg. per day. I know more D-Bol will cause some water retention and bloating. Not what I want!:donut: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Dang thunder, when you're popping your cherry. you're like a virgin who discovered sex, you'll be "pinning everyday"! Im doing my cycle on the hush so less frequent injections are best.

Thunder, what AI when ON? That could help bloat. :woohoo:
 
TheeBC said:
Dang thunder, when you're popping your cherry. you're like a virgin who discovered sex, you'll be "pinning everyday"! Im doing my cycle on the hush so less frequent injections are best.

Thunder, what AI when ON? That could help bloat. :woohoo:
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I have severeal different AI's in my stash now to choose from. I've got TD Formestane, TD Trione (6-oxo), and ATD in an olive oil suspension. I have the Trione and Form in bulk powder, so I could always make a suspension of those as well. Except that Formestane is not very bioavailable. It works best in a TD. The Form would work best during the cycle, as it does suppress somewhat. But it is awesome stuff anyway. Increases IGF, lowers SHBG, increases free testosterone levels, while lowering estrogen significantly. Sounds like an advertisement for Form, doesn't it? ha ha This will be my first injectable cycle, but it is by no means my first cycle. So that's the reason for the dosages. I'll be pinning every other day because it's Primo instead of Test. It requires more frequent dosing from what I'm reading.
 
i just injected the 200mcg ghrp6 and im going to bed now but damn im hungry already, i cant imagine how hungry ill be when i wake up.

i just reconstituted my 1mg of igf1lr3 as well. I had to use the leftover acetic acid i have and i dont want to make my own so i had to recon with .75ml. Anybody care to do calculations for me? .75cc is an odd number and id like to know how much igf1 will be ineach tic mark on a .5cc slin pin.....please help me ill give you reps! i can figure it out but if anyone feels kind enough....... night.

I havent toyed with any more than 50mg winstrol a day and im thinking about trying out 100mg to see how it is.
 
pistonpump said:
are you going to use the acetate or the enanthate estered primo? :frustrate:
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Upon your previous suggestion, I'm going with the enanthate estered Primo. And upon further reading, I'm either going to run the Primo higher, like 700 to 800 mg. weekly, or add some Test-Prop at maybe 300 or 400 mg. weekly on top of the Primo. The latter being the best choice probably. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
TheeBC said:
Do we have jobs? LOL.
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Piston and I are vampires! We work graveyard shifts. Gotta love it!:fool2: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Upon your previous suggestion, I'm going with the enanthate estered Primo. And upon further reading, I'm either going to run the Primo higher, like 700 to 800 mg. weekly, or add some Test-Prop at maybe 300 or 400 mg. weekly on top of the Primo. The latter being the best choice probably. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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whats the concentration of the primo like? 200mg/ml or what? A lil test prop never hurt anyone but you may want to try test e. YOu could shoot the test e and primo on the same days 2 or 3 times a week and they would clear and kick at the same time. All youd worry about is your jumpstart and maybe something at the end to have with those last 2 weeks when you wait for the ester to clear. kinda like what im doing now.
 
im up already, about 4 hours of sleep......i swear its been tough for me to sleep for long periods of time all cycle and pretty much for a long time too because of my work hours etc.

Im gonna make a bunch of eggs right now.
 
pistonpump said:
whats the concentration of the primo like? 200mg/ml or what? A lil test prop never hurt anyone but you may want to try test e. YOu could shoot the test e and primo on the same days 2 or 3 times a week and they would clear and kick at the same time. All youd worry about is your jumpstart and maybe something at the end to have with those last 2 weeks when you wait for the ester to clear. kinda like what im doing now.
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No, my source only has the Primo in 100mg/ml vials. Like i was saying, I'm going for a combo of the 2. Primo and Test-E @100 mg. EOD for 8 weeks. And of course, the 4 week D-Bol kickstart @30 mg. per day divided. I've decided to use Epi @30 mg. per day for the last 2 weeks of the cycle to dry everything up nicely. For on-cycle AI, I will go with TD Formestane. Then in PCT, I'll switch it over to ATD @50 mg. for the first few days,, tapering down to 25 mg. ED for 3 more weeks. Of course, I'll use Clomid for the first couple of weeks--100 mg per day the first week. And then 50 mg. per day for the second week. I'll drop the SERM after that and continue with the ATD @25 mg. per day for 2 more weeks. This is getting close to my finalized plan now!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
No, my source only has the Primo in 100mg/ml vials. Like i was saying, I'm going for a combo of the 2. Primo and Test-E @100 mg. EOD for 8 weeks. And of course, the 4 week D-Bol kickstart @30 mg. per day divided. I've decided to use Epi @30 mg. per day for the last 2 weeks of the cycle to dry everything up nicely. For on-cycle AI, I will go with TD Formestane. Then in PCT, I'll switch it over to ATD @50 mg. for the first few days,, tapering down to 25 mg. ED for 3 more weeks. Of course, I'll use Clomid for the first couple of weeks--100 mg per day the first week. And then 50 mg. per day for the second week. I'll drop the SERM after that and continue with the ATD @25 mg. per day for 2 more weeks. This is getting close to my finalized plan now!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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remember recovering from a long injectable cycle is alot harder than these short oral ones. Youll be completely shutdown so i think pct should be more aggressive for that reason.

I thought you were going to bump the primo doses? I would do 200mg primo mon wed fri with maybe 125mg test e mon wed fri. Epi probably run it 4 weeks as well, 2 weeks with the injects and 2 weeks after the injects....then pct.
 
pistonpump said:
remember recovering from a long injectable cycle is alot harder than these short oral ones. Youll be completely shutdown so i think pct should be more aggressive for that reason.

I thought you were going to bump the primo doses? I would do 200mg primo mon wed fri with maybe 125mg test e mon wed fri. Epi probably run it 4 weeks as well, 2 weeks with the injects and 2 weeks after the injects....then pct.
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So I need 600 mg. of Primo and 375 mg. of Test-E per week? I understand the Epi dosing protocol. But I didn't think I would need a gram of injectables my first go around! I've still got until August to iron out all the dosages and details. I wasn't meaning just a 4 week PCT either. I was just saying the first 2 weeks would be Clomid @ 100 mg. for week 1 and 50 mg for week 2. Also ATD for those 4 weeks, beginning with 50 mg. ED for the first weeek, 25 mg. ED for the next 3 weeks. And then a tapering off of 25 mg. EOD for 2 more weeks for a total of 6 weeks PCT, This will be following an 8 week cycle. If more is needed, please explain! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
So I need 600 mg. of Primo and 375 mg. of Test-E per week? I understand the Epi dosing protocol. But I didn't think I would need a gram of injectables my first go around! I've still got until August to iron out all the dosages and details. I wasn't meaning just a 4 week PCT either. I was just saying the first 2 weeks would be Clomid @ 100 mg. for week 1 and 50 mg for week 2. Also ATD for those 4 weeks, beginning with 50 mg. ED for the first weeek, 25 mg. ED for the next 3 weeks. And then a tapering off of 25 mg. EOD for 2 more weeks for a total of 6 weeks PCT, This will be following an 8 week cycle. If more is needed, please explain! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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so u are absolutely sold on using the primo this time?
 
pistonpump said:
so u are absolutely sold on using the primo this time?
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No. I'm catching so much negative guff from even the suggestion, I guess it must be a horrible idea. I guess I'll go with the Test-E @500 mg. per week for 12 weeks, and the d-bol kickstart @ 30 mg. for the first 4 weeks. May use some Epi @ 30 mg. for the last 2 weeks as the Test-E clears and continue for 2 weeks into PCT. Then go with the long and aggressive PCT for about 8 weeks I guess. Starting to sound like less fun IMO!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
No. I'm catching some much negative guff from even the suggestion, I guess it must be a horrible idea. I guess I'll go with the Test-E @500 mg. per week for 12 weeks, and the d-bol kickstart @ 30 mg. for the first 4 weeks. May use some Epi @ 30 mg. for the last 2 weeks as the Test-E clears and continue for 2 weeks into PCT. Then go with the long and aggressive PCT for about 8 weeks I guess. Starting to sound like less fun IMO!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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But it does sound like a great first injectable cycle though!! Thats one i'd like to run one day.
 
thundergod said:
No. I'm catching some much negative guff from even the suggestion, I guess it must be a horrible idea. I guess I'll go with the Test-E @500 mg. per week for 12 weeks, and the d-bol kickstart @ 30 mg. for the first 4 weeks. May use some Epi @ 30 mg. for the last 2 weeks as the Test-E clears and continue for 2 weeks into PCT. Then go with the long and aggressive PCT for about 8 weeks I guess. Starting to sound like less fun IMO!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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That one sounds better. Maybe even up the Test to 600/week.
 
Australian made said:
But it does sound like a great first injectable cycle though!! Thats one i'd like to run one day.
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Thanks Aussie. But I tell you what. When you decide to run your injectable cycle, just decide what you wanna do, and don't tell anybody. By-Odin you'll get 30 differing opinions telling you what gear to add or leave off, dosing increases or decreases, how long to stay on, what AI's to use, what AI's not to use, how long to PCT, what to PCT....etc!!:think: Just design it like you want it and run it that way. You'll know in the future what to change. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
its all about finding out what works for you as an individual. But like they say, you have to learn from other people beacause you cant make all the mistakes yourself.

You say less fun??? Thats why you listen to Piston and you have the time of your life. 1gram of gear for first injectable too much?.......nonsense, not if its more than one type! haha. You can do primo, why not, suggestions are only suggestions so do what you feel and work from there. I got your back man! no worriez brah.
600mg Primo E
250-375mg Test E
30mg Dbol jump
40mg Epi end
50mg Proviron throughout
SERM and AI on hand
thats my recommendation for you at least, with what i think you want. Thats my final answer. haha.

And fyi, i didnt listen to people that said run test only....funk that i ran Test E 500-750mg with 600mg EQ for my first run :rasp:
 
thundergod said:
Thanks Aussie. But I tell you what. When you decide to run your injectable cycle, just decide what you wanna do, and don't tell anybody. By-Odin you'll get 30 differing opinions telling you what gear to add or leave off, dosing increases or decreases, how long to stay on, what AI's to use, what AI's not to use, how long to PCT, what to PCT....etc!!:think: Just design it like you want it and run it that way. You'll know in the future what to change. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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PCT? fck that, im never coming off. I call it the Piston Cycle:dance:
 
pistonpump said:
its all about finding out what works for you as an individual. But like they say, you have to learn from other people beacause you cant make all the mistakes yourself.

You say less fun??? Thats why you listen to Piston and you have the time of your life. 1gram of gear for first injectable too much?.......nonsense, not if its more than one type! haha. You can do primo, why not, suggestions are only suggestions so do what you feel and work from there. I got your back man! no worriez brah.
600mg Primo E
250-375mg Test E
30mg Dbol jump
40mg Epi end
50mg Proviron throughout
SERM and AI on hand
thats my recommendation for you at least, with what i think you want. Thats my final answer. haha.

And fyi, i didnt listen to people that said run test only....funk that i ran Test E 500-750mg with 600mg EQ for my first run :rasp:
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This shi*t is why I love you Piston! I know you have my best interests at heart Brah! I also NEVER listen to the masses...cause they're asses!! lol I like your final answer there Regis! ha ha But I still have 2 months to plan it all out. My final answer probably won't be given until the final buzzer!! :lol: THE THUNDERGOD :hammer:
 
Australian made said:
PCT? fck that, im never coming off. I call it the Piston Cycle:dance:
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That's the spirit mate! It's the "smoke 'em if you got 'em" philosophy! And don't run out of smokes either. I like it! We only have 1 life to liver!! lol In all seriousness though, (and it pains me to be serious) I'm just tossing ideas around. No matter how many times I say, "Ok, this is what I'll do", it's gonna change before Launch Time! I thank all of you guys for your suggestions, help, and input. You guys are the greatest!! I'd rep ya both, but I must spread the love before I can give it to you and Piston again!! DANKE MEIN FRUENDS!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Australian made said:
PCT? fck that, im never coming off. I call it the Piston Cycle:dance:
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strangely enough i think its time for me to come off. Im ready for PCT once i finish these sweet little yellow winny candies :food: :lol:

Next one probably wont be an injectable unless i just use a lil test prop as a libido base, but, next one will be pushing the limits cuz really i dont give a fvck what anyone says anymore. Itll be something to talk about fo sho'
 
hman85 said:
So what did you decide TG?
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Nothing definite yet. I still have 2 months to come to a final conclusion though. I'm in, just don't know the final intricacies. I'll iron out compounds, dosages, and cycle length way before D-Day!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
winstrol 50mg, 3 scoops xtend, 2 scoops vasocharge, dextrose, 5g cre mono, 1 scoop whey all preworkout.

Hit Quads, Forearms, Calves. Squats were just tough, im having problems with my knee so im upping the cissus to 3 caps ed. Had to cut squats with just lightweight and went to a bunch of intense sets with leg extensions. Superset with reverse bb curls. Went on to hammer curls, preacher wrist curls, one arm cable reverse curls, behind the back bb curls. Cuts are very prominent in forearms and had insane pumps throughout the entire workout. Seated machine calve raises....i do a set then go straight to a nonweighted on the toes raises on a 45plate, then straight to raises on the heels then back to the machine. THis will absolutely kill calves. Courtesy of pumbertot.

Postwo....about 50mcg igf1, 200mcg ghrp6, and 300iu hcg all shot in the same pin bilateral in both calves. 1 scoop xtend in oj, 50mg zol, 1 cissus, 1g vit c.

Just had some subway and got tuna sandwiches and a whole roasted huli huli chicken lined up for the rest of the night. Thats not all tho just the meat lol.

Still need to do something about my sleep! working on 4 hours here, its just a pain in the ass with my work schedule etc. NEED AMBIEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Piston, I can relate to the problems of working night shifts and trying to get decent sleep. I've been taking 50 mg. of Benadryl and 1 Melatonin 1 hour before my appointed bedtime. Within the hour, I'm getting very drowsy.:yawn: The only thing is, after you wake up, sometimes you still feel groggy. I haven't really experienced the after-sleep grogginess myself, it's just what others report. I have no complaints myself!! Give it a try. It's very cheap also! LOL You shoulda known I would toss cheap in there. I'm such a frugal bastich!!:twisted: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
I work a 6-2:3- shift. Im up at 4:30am cooking like Bobby Flay! haha Then My school doesn't get out till 9pm. On the days I don't have class, I take the sleep aid or melatonin before the last 30 minutes of my workout. I tried 6mg of mel. 2 nights a ago on a empty stomach. I was GONE. I felt waves of it hitting me
 
might be getting some AN IGF-2 here in the near future so hopefully thatll help but for now i guess i finally go out and buy a 2-3 dollar bottle of melatonin and give it a shot.
 
It works. I think its = to benadryl. esp compared to the dosages of each compound. gonna try my homemade ECA stack right now before work. I'll let ya'll know how I TWEAKED out.
 
i think im going to go to customcapsule and try to make a sleep formula....well see what i come up with. I was thinking some melatonin, valerian root, gaba, arginine, phenibut, zinc??? not sure what is on the site and whats not but what do you think?....add something else?....take something out???
 
how are you pinning pecs? i did my inner pecs a few times with igf and it just felt a little weird. i quit doing it because i pinned my right pec and the injection site immediately bubbled up the size of a dime i'd say, right around the point of injection. i don't know if i pinned a chest hair follicle or what, or maybe went sub q on accident, but it was enough to scare the **** outta me and make me not want to do it anymore.
 
pistonpump said:
i think im going to go to customcapsule and try to make a sleep formula....well see what i come up with. I was thinking some melatonin, valerian root, gaba, arginine, phenibut, zinc??? not sure what is on the site and whats not but what do you think?....add something else?....take something out???
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Maybe some kava kava
 
sfearl1 said:
how are you pinning pecs? i did my inner pecs a few times with igf and it just felt a little weird. i quit doing it because i pinned my right pec and the injection site immediately bubbled up the size of a dime i'd say, right around the point of injection. i don't know if i pinned a chest hair follicle or what, or maybe went sub q on accident, but it was enough to scare the **** outta me and make me not want to do it anymore.
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Ive always done upper inner pecs but earlier i did uppe outer. I dont know what to say on how i do them i just dont g too deep and not too shallow. The bubble thing is probably from hitting a big vein/vessel and it bleeding into the subq below the skin...this just happened to me the other day with my delt and yes, it was a lil scary.
 
they dont have kava or pheni so this is what i have so far, it may be overkill but i think it will definately do the job!

zinc 15MG
melatonin 2MG
damiana leaves 500MG
GABA 2G
valerian root 500MG
rhodiola rosea root 100MG
lemon balm extract 200MG
L-tryptophan 100MG
phoshatidyl-serine 100MG

so what do you think?
 
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