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ThirtyThree

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Epistane
3x/wk pulse M,W,F:before and after workouts

Week-Dose(mg)
Wk1 (10,20,30)
Wk2 30
Wk3 30
Wk4 30
Wk5 30
Wk6 30
Wk7 30
Wk8 30

SERM Nolvadex
Wk9: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk10: 20mg everyday
Wk11: 10mg everyday
Wk12: 10mg everyday

Anti-Cortisol Retain
?

Aromatase Inhibitor 6-OXO
?

I want to do an 8 week Epistane pulse cycle but I'm unsure when and what doses to do my AI and Anti cortisol. How does it look in general though, is there anything I seem to be missing?
 
ThirtyThree said:
Epistane
3x/wk pulse M,W,F:before and after workouts

Week-Dose(mg)
Wk1 (10,20,30)
Wk2 30
Wk3 30
Wk4 30
Wk5 30
Wk6 30
Wk7 30
Wk8 30

SERM Nolvadex
Wk9: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk10: 20mg everyday
Wk11: 10mg everyday
Wk12: 10mg everyday

Anti-Cortisol Retain
?

Aromatase Inhibitor 6-OXO
?

I want to do an 8 week Epistane pulse cycle but I'm unsure when and what doses to do my AI and Anti cortisol. How does it look in general though, is there anything I seem to be missing?
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175 pounds and using epistane? Just do it naturally, its a waste to use epi so early on.
 
Keep in mind when I started lifting I weighed 139 lbs, so I've gained 36 pounds naturally over the last 2 years.

140 is about my natural weight, so I could probably get to 190 lbs, but it would take a few more years and I'd rather be 190 after this summer.
 
6'1 at 175...you def have a lot more room to grow... No way in hell you can tell me 190 is your limit.....140 is your natural weight??!!!?? At 6'1.... are you sure????
 
ThirtyThree said:
Keep in mind when I started lifting I weighed 139 lbs, so I've gained 36 pounds naturally over the last 2 years.

140 is about my natural weight, so I could probably get to 190 lbs, but it would take a few more years and I'd rather be 190 after this summer.
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Wait, how old are you? I am 5-8 and weighed 135 when I was 25 yrs old, I was THIN. I have since "filled out" since I am 39 now . . . I currently weigh in at 172 and I am muscular, not HUGE but people take notice. My goal is to get to 180 . . . . we'll see
 
I'm 21 years old.

Yeah Im pretty sure I weighed 140 lbs 2 years ago. Granted I ate about 1800 calories a day.

Now I eat every 2-3 hours, but if I stopped working out I would easily go back to at least 150 lbs. So 175 for me is pretty big, especially since It's all lean muscle with around 12% BF.
 
ThirtyThree said:
I'm 21 years old.

Yeah Im pretty sure I weighed 140 lbs 2 years ago. Granted I ate about 1800 calories a day.

Now I eat every 2-3 hours, but if I stopped working out I would easily go back to at least 150 lbs. So 175 for me is pretty big, especially since It's all lean muscle with around 12% BF.
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Do it up. You have good PCT protocol and Epi is rather mild, so you'd be better off running it straight through and drop the pulsing method entirely.
 
Why should I run it straight through? I like the pulsing idea of less side effects, gradual gains, and less testosterone shut down post cycle. Try and convince me otherwise though.

I still don't understand when and how much to take for:

Anti-Cortisol Retain
?

Aromatase Inhibitor 6-OXO
?
 
Try and convince you otherwise hu.....lol I don't give a Fk what you do personally but if you do some research you'll see there are huge flaws in the pulsing method.

1. People have gotten Blood work done after Pulsing Havoc/Epi and have been surprised to see they were totally shutdown anyways.
2. Less gains
3. Havoc/Epi has almost 0 side effects anyways so.....
4. Your hormones will be on a roller coaster ride 24/7 (this should be the most obvious)
5. Less time playing with your endocrine system (4 weeks straight verses 6-8 pulsed)
6. You'll thank me later:drunk:

I'm running it straight right now and I have HAD ZERO sides so if you got questions you can PM me if you'd like.
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
Try and convince you otherwise hu.....lol I don't give a Fk what you do personally but if you do some research you'll see there are huge flaws in the pulsing method.

1. People have gotten Blood work done after Pulsing Havoc/Epi and have been surprised to see they were totally shutdown anyways.
2. Less gains
3. Havoc/Epi has almost 0 side effects anyways so.....
4. Your hormones will be on a roller coaster ride 24/7 (this should be the most obvious)
5. Less time playing with your endocrine system (4 weeks straight verses 6-8 pulsed)
6. You'll thank me later:drunk:

I'm running it straight right now and I have HAD ZERO sides so if you got questions you can PM me if you'd like.
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Epi has only given me good gains, void of sides, though Havoc had me very tired and exhausted. I felt like I had 'functioning mono' on Havoc. haha
 
ThirtyThree said:
Why should I run it straight through? I like the pulsing idea of less side effects, gradual gains, and less testosterone shut down post cycle. Try and convince me otherwise though.

I still don't understand when and how much to take for:

Anti-Cortisol Retain
?

Aromatase Inhibitor 6-OXO
?
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Retain is so underdosed it's not even funny. Take the recommended serving size (1 cap, 3x daily) and double it up.

Using 6-OXO, run it at 6 caps @ dinner for week 1, 5 caps @ dinner for week 2, 4 caps @ dinner for week 3, and 3 caps @ dinner for week 4
 
How does this straight cycle look now. Do I take the AI during cycle, and then the SERM+anti-cortisol post cycle.

Cycle
Epistane+ 6-OXO
Wk1 Epistane (10,10,20,20,30,30,30)mg , 6-OXO (6 caps/day)
Wk2 Epistane (30 mg/day), 6-OXO (5 caps/day)
Wk3 Epistane (30 mg/day), 6-OXO (4 caps/day)
Wk4 Epistane (30 mg/day), 6-OXO (3 caps/day)
Wk5 Epistane (30,30,30,20,20,10,10)mg

Post Cycle
Nolvadex + Retain
Wk6 Nolvadex (40,40,40,20,20,20,20)mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
Wk7: Nolvadex 20mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
Wk8: Nolvadex 10mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
Wk9: Nolvadex 10mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
 
ThirtyThree said:
How does this straight cycle look now. Do I take the AI during cycle, and then the SERM+anti-cortisol post cycle.

Cycle
Epistane+ 6-OXO
Wk1 Epistane (10,10,20,20,30,30,30)mg , 6-OXO (6 caps/day)
Wk2 Epistane (30 mg/day), 6-OXO (5 caps/day)
Wk3 Epistane (30 mg/day), 6-OXO (4 caps/day)
Wk4 Epistane (30 mg/day), 6-OXO (3 caps/day)
Wk5 Epistane (30,30,30,20,20,10,10)mg

Post Cycle
Nolvadex + Retain
Wk6 Nolvadex (40,40,40,20,20,20,20)mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
Wk7: Nolvadex 20mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
Wk8: Nolvadex 10mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
Wk9: Nolvadex 10mg/day, Retain 3 caps/day
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Looks better than that pulse sht bro, for sure!
This is how I'm running mine, well it's almost over but this is how it went.....:Day1 10mgs day2-7 20mgs
Week2 30mgs
Week3 30mgs
Week4 40mgs for remainder of bottle (9Days)

Also there's no need IMO to taper down the dosage like that so I would either stay at the 30mgs ed or go to 40mgs and stay there. And drop the 6oxo not sure why you have that in there? But epi is a steroidal AI so adding another, weaker one is pointless not to mention it will have your joints saying Fcuk you 33 you bastard lol......Save it for pct or ditch it bro!
 
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