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Anabolic Xtreme’s 3-AD is the first revolutionary pro-hormone to go beyond the narrow scope of generating lean mass and strength. The goal of 3-AD is total performance enhancement results. 3-AD is designed to rapidly construct authoritative gains in lean mass, strength, and muscle hardness. Synergistic ingredients have been included to amplify the anabolic building process by propelling balance and fortitude to the mind while elevating neurological, physiological, and cognitive functioning. The goal is simple; help you achieve superior athletic performance. Lift harder and heavier, react faster, move with superior efficiency, experience cutting-edge psychological enhancement, and dominate the competition from every angle for the first time with 3-AD, available only from Anabolic Xtreme.

Androsterone (3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one)

Androsterone is the last legal, truly potent, and effective androstane capable of delivering explosive strength gains, dense vascularity, muscle hardness, and solid steady gains in lean muscle mass. Manufactured in the liver and testis, Androsterone is a metabolite of testosterone(1). It also acts as both a pro-hormone and also a potent sex pheromone in the human body. Enzymatic conversion of Androsterone results in the target hormone Stanolone, a hormone 400% more pro-hypertrophic than testosterone, the mother of all muscle building hormones. Best of all, this non-toxic potent animal is legal, 100% DSHEA compliant, yields zero estrogen conversion, and will provide the raw pro-hypertrophic horse-power behind Anabolic Xtreme’s 3-AD.

Androsterone works by enzymatically converting into its target hormone Stanolone via the 3aHSD, 3bHSD, and 17bHSD enzymes. Once inside the muscle tissue, Stanolone, a semi-synthetic form of dihydrotestosterone (DHT), works by binding with the androgen receptors on the muscle cell surface. Androgen receptors are the key holes that must be triggered and unlocked in order to initiate protein synthesis, a protein building process that when accelerated by Stanolone, will result in fierce strength gains, incredible muscle hardening effects, and steady accelerated muscle cell growth.

11-Alpha

Protein synthesis - it is the driving force behind building raw muscle mass, and is the intracellular process that anabolic steroids kick into overdrive to generate muscle mass at accelerated rates. In this process, nitrogen from amino acids becomes arranged into structural proteins through mRNA and tRNA to ultimately build more proteins. The more proteins your muscle cells manufacture and the faster the rate at which those proteins are created, the faster you grow muscle. Thus, the question becomes, “How do I optimize the rate of protein synthesis to accelerate muscle growth while avoiding negative androgenic side effects?”

11-Alpha, extracted from the epigeal portion of Ajuga Turkestanica was one of the great kept “secrets” of Russian Olympic weightlifters during the 70’s and 80’s, allowing them to crush Olympic records while remaining drug-free. This is due to 11-Alpha’s ability to unleash a massive pro-hypertrophic cascade of protein synthesis equal to the synthetic steroid Dianabol. 11-Alpha has also shown the ability to increase nitrogen retention at a greater rate than Dianabol. The more nitrogen retained in the muscle cell, the more material that cell has to work with to build proteins. While we are by no means stating that 11-Alpha is 100% superior to Dianabol, it does possess some properties that exceed those of Dianabol, making it a great agent to ignite protein synthesis, increase nitrogen retention, and impart steady gains in lean muscle. Unlike Dianabol, ll-Alpha does NOT induce any of the androgenic side effects such as enlarging the prostate(8). 11-Alpha is the perfect synergistic, nitrogen sparing, protein synthesis igniting compound to compliment the effects of Androsterone.

2-Androstenol

Pheromones….no, not your uncle’s “secret” cologne that is suppose to make him more attractive to women! We all know those don’t work. Pheromone sprays and potions have been used by people since the 1950’s, and have more or less proven to be ineffective. It’s a great idea, as pheromones are chemical messengers that trigger a behavioral response in another member of the same species; however, human physiology is quite evolved beyond that point, so why even bother including 2-Androstenol in Anabolic Xtreme’s new 3-AD? While pheromones may not have the desired effects we’d hope on other people when inhaled (although some evidence still suggests otherwise), when ingested orally and passed into the bloodstream certain sex pheromones, such as 2-Androstenol, can have a profound physiological effect upon users, and their immediate behavior.

2-Androstenol is a naturally occurring sex pheromone produced in the adrenal glands and found in human sweat glands, and also in various animal sources such as elephants and goats(3,4). Sex pheromones indicate the availability of the female for reproduction; however, human males no longer seem to be able to sense these airborne chemical messages from women, yet their effects once in the bloodstream still remain quite profound. 2-Androstenol has demonstrated a strong ability to increase aggression, enhance the alpha-male attitude, and increase secretion of luteinizing hormone, which is a key hormone in the signaling of testosterone production(5,6,7). This is important because elevation in these behaviors increase the likelihood of reproduction. Ever see two male bulls compete for the right to mate with a female? There’s some pretty intense physical and aggressive behavior displayed while dominance is battled. Translate these behaviors over to human performance in the gym, and now we’re talking about some serious Alpha Male attitude to generate some serious lean mass. Attitude is everything, as attitude determines performance, and performance determines your results.

Propionyl L-Carnitine (PLCAR)

Androgen receptors are the key holes that must be unlocked in order to ignite accelerated rates of muscle growth. Unfortunately, androgen receptors eventually down-regulate when they are bombarded with heavy concentrations of male androgens, which can bring those accelerated rates of muscle growth to a grinding halt mid-cycle. Propionyl L-Carnitine (PLCAR) is an esterified Carnitine that has demonstrated a unique ability to dramatically increase the number of androgen receptors on the muscle cell surface, and to keep androgen receptors up-regulated while on cycle. The more androgen receptors you have, the more muscle mass you can ultimately signal to grow!

PLCAR doesn’t stop after it’s created the perfect anabolic environment for Androsterone and 11-Alpha. PLCAR is a powerful anti-oxidant that is clinically proven to enhance the shuttling of fatty acids into muscle cellular mitochondria to be burned as a fuel source for greater energy production in skeletal, cardiac, and smooth muscles during exercise. This action alone prolongs an athlete’s energy levels and delays muscle fatigue onset for superior result-generating workouts(2). PLCAR has also shown the ability to combat the destructive effects on muscle tissue that low levels of oxygen induce when fatigue sets in(15). Finally, Carnitines such as PLCAR have even proven to have promising, positive effects on the human cardiovascular system!

Picamilon

The use of pro-hormones can often have a negative influence on a person’s mood. Moods can often swing between depressions, irritability, anxiety, bouts of emotional stress, and so on, making pro-hormone use emotionally stressful to users. Well, say goodbye to the old school way of performance enhancing pro-hormones! The final synergistic component to 3-AD is a synthesis between the sodium salt N-nicotinoyl-g-aminobutyric acid (GABA) and nicotinic acid (niacin), commonly called Picamilon. Picamilon works by rapidly penetrating the blood-brain barrier, decreasing cerebral blood-vessel tone, increasing cerebral blood flow, and stimulating the GABA receptors(12).

The physiological effects of Picamilon result in a highly pronounced psycho-energizing and stimulating effect on the mind(14). Human consciousness is elevated above weakened and depressed mindsets, thereby increasing the speed with which the mind and body perform work(9,13,14). Unique unto Picamilon, however, is that it does not cause excessive stimulation and exhaustion of the body’s energy resources. No irritability, no anxiety, no energy crashes, and no jitters. With the mind elevated from depressed cognitive states, Picamilon brings further balance to the mind by lowering anxiety. The mild tranquilizing effect that Picamilon induces on the mind does not result in muscle relaxation, drowsiness or lethargy, making it the perfect nootropic and psycho-stimulating agent for enhancing an athlete’s mental performance(10,11).

Post Cycle Therapy (PCT). What is it and why do I need it?

The power of 3-AD lies in its ability to convert to Stanolone, successfully enter the bloodstream, and unlock powerful androgen receptors to make your muscles GROW. Anytime you introduce an outside source of hormones to your body, your body will respond by decreasing its natural output of those hormones in an effort to conserve energy. This includes testosterone and substances that convert to it. Consequently, when you finish a cycle, your natural production of testosterone is low, estrogen levels are typically elevated, and Cortisol levels are wreaking havoc on your newly earned muscle tissue. This not the ideal environment to maintain your gains! Enter Post Cycle Therapy (PCT). The goal of any PCT is to restore normal hormonal balance to your body, especially to testosterone. The most effective way to restart your natural production of testosterone is to lower estrogen below normal levels, and 6-bromo, found in our Advanced PCT, will do just that. Your hypothalamus will sense the imbalance of estrogen and respond by signaling your testes to start massively accelerating testosterone production once again. By following your cycle with PCT, you will preserve the muscle and strength gains made during your 3-AD cycle and minimize side effects such as decreased libido that are often experienced post cycle. Anabolic Xtreme’s Advanced PCT will effectively restore balance to your natural testosterone production and is strongly recommended following all 3-AD cycles.

Give your body a rest.

3-AD is a very powerful product. When taken responsibly and followed with proper PCT, your results will be astounding. Because of its powerful nature you should wait at least one (1) month between cycles. A great rule of thumb is: time on = time off. This means that if you take 3-AD for eight (8) weeks, then you should wait at least eight (8) weeks before starting another cycle. Please use 3-AD responsibly, follow directions carefully, adhere to all warnings, and always follow use with Advanced PCT.

References
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Why the difference in dosing? Because the two products are different, yet the same. Long story short, 3-AD began in that galaxy far, far away as a different animal. Due to some unfortunate delays, the original idea was scrapped for something that was much much better. Thusly, the new 3-AD!!

If you are seeing it on sites out there that have a different dosing listed, please DOUBLE CHECK THE INGREDIENTS WITH THIS POST!!! If you see the word "adrenodione" used as the main ingredient, you've got the wrong description and that site has not updated its stock yet. I'd contact them to see if they are getting the new stuff (within days now!). When in doubt, go to NP. They're getting it for sure!! :D
 
Thanks for the info, i don't buy anywhere but nutra if i can help it, just trying to get an idea on the retail price. Cant wait for 3-AD:head:
 
nutra has it up and running presently, but not in stock yet. From what i have heard thus far, possibly very soon
 
nutra has it up and running presently, but not in stock yet. From what i have heard thus far, possibly very soon
Yes, but from what I can gather, it's going to be very expensive. At least in my perspective. Probably gonna be in the $50 a bottle range at least! That's pricey to me. I'm doing a sponsored log on LG Sciences' MMV2, which is very close to 3-AD. It's also a little pricey. The lowest I can find it for is $38.95 a bottle. Why are these new Androstanes (Stanolones, Winny-type, DHT convertives, or whatever you wanna term it as) so expensive? I remember the old school stuff like Mestanolone, M-5AA, and MDHT were very cheap in comparison to these new androstanes. Will their prices ever go down?:think: :blink:
 
U know what, I think u guys make great products but this right here be killing me "11-Alpha, extracted from the epigeal portion of Ajuga Turkestanica was one of the great kept “secrets” of Russian Olympic weightlifters during the 70’s and 80’s, allowing them to crush Olympic records while remaining drug-free." :rofl: yea I know it wasn't the real dbol for breakfast.:toofunny: anyway I may give this a try but usually products that contain trib or ecdy or the magical methoxy isoflavone I usually:run: I think that ur 2-ene and stanalone will produce the synthasys that we desire more than u would get from that constituent of turkeysterone:icon_lol:, I am not bashing ur product at all I think it sounds very promising but I'm 32 and have been taking supps for like15 yrs. I have given ecdy a shot numerous amount of times and the bottom line is real world results not theory on paper. I hate to break ur bubble but ecdy is to dbol what steve irkle is to steve irwin. U see its like this yellow guy here is dbol and the greenish guy is like a whole kilo of e-bol, 11-alpha, turkey, ecdy whatever anabol :saw: get the picture.
 
Yes, but from what I can gather, it's going to be very expensive. At least in my perspective. Probably gonna be in the $50 a bottle range at least! That's pricey to me. I'm doing a sponsored log on LG Sciences' MMV2, which is very close to 3-AD. It's also a little pricey. The lowest I can find it for is $38.95 a bottle. Why are these new Androstanes (Stanolones, Winny-type, DHT convertives, or whatever you wanna term it as) so expensive? I remember the old school stuff like Mestanolone, M-5AA, and MDHT were very cheap in comparison to these new androstanes. Will their prices ever go down?:think: :blink:
yea but u get the 2-ene, to me its almost like a pp-mmv2 stack in one that is what I like about it.
 
Where are these logs mentioned in the picture posted at???

I read through all the logs in one of the 3-ad threads in the AX section of this site and saw nobody posting results even close to what is advertised in the pic. It was more like 3 weeks and 3-5 lbs total....
 
They are all located on the AX forum here:

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I saw 3-AD for 39.99... At that price it's not that bad, especially with what's in it. The 11-alpha and 5AR-DHEA should actually make 3-AD a good cutter.
 
Take the Retain 2 for post cycle support after this product to help keep GABA activity normalized, cortisol at bay, and maintain a good mood.
 
that is a hell of a price, and def. worth a purchase
Yeah, I was thrown off by the 99.00 price and the first post of the 'ingredient disclosure'. Just hit PCT from 3 solid angles:

1. Cortisol rebound
2. GABAergic rebound
3. Testosterone suppression/estrogen rebound

IMO the best PCT would be 6-OXO (titrated 9 caps 3 days/6 caps 2 weeks/4 caps 1 week/2 caps 1 week) and Retain 2.
 
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that is a hell of a price, and def. worth a purchase
u know I just noticed that u only get 22.5 days worth of product.:nono: and that is at the minimal dose 15 days at max dosage hmmmmmm, listen maybe what u guys should do is make different size bottles, those for the sublime lifter give him the 22.5 day supply, but for the real like myself (ahem) u really need to make it 30 more pills, gives u a month at the lowest dose, cause I ain't payin 80 or better for a month cycle of anything, I bought like 20grams of dbol for 80 bucks yrs ago and I haven't gone through half of it, with pp fairly cheap and a bottle lasts me 2 monthes when I pulse, u give me a month for 40-45 u got a customer for real but now I'm not 2 sure, stop with the marketing crap we here at am have never been ones to buy into hype and u know we call out bs.:bow28:
 
u know I just noticed that u only get 22.5 days worth of product.:nono: and that is at the minimal dose 15 days at max dosage hmmmmmm, listen maybe what u guys should do is make different size bottles, those for the sublime lifter give him the 22.5 day supply, but for the real like myself (ahem) u really need to make it 30 more pills, gives u a month at the lowest dose, cause I ain't payin 80 or better for a month cycle of anything, I bought like 20grams of dbol for 80 bucks yrs ago and I haven't gone through half of it, with pp fairly cheap and a bottle lasts me 2 monthes when I pulse, u give me a month for 40-45 u got a customer for real but now I'm not 2 sure, stop with the marketing crap we here at am have never been ones to buy into hype and u know we call out bs.:bow28:
It's better than Ergopharm's dosage protocol. 11-OXO averages 40 bucks for straight 11-alpha and it's a 20 day supply for the average user looking to cut or only 10 days for one looking for a recomp effect.
 
It's better than Ergopharm's dosage protocol. 11-OXO averages 40 bucks for straight 11-alpha and it's a 20 day supply for the average user looking to cut or only 10 days for one looking for a recomp effect.
u see thats what I'm talkin about I don't like products that give u less than a month supply or are an uneven ratio, an example ppg makes automotive paint they have 3:1:1 ratio of clear: reducer: hardber, but u have 4 parts in a gallon which means that after u use ur clear, and other chems u will have a qt of clear left over.............I guess its smart for the company cause to use the rest of ur clear u gotta buy more hardner and such, u see that is as bad as bait and switch.
 
u see thats what I'm talkin about I don't like products that give u less than a month supply or are an uneven ratio, an example ppg makes automotive paint they have 3:1:1 ratio of clear: reducer: hardber, but u have 4 parts in a gallon which means that after u use ur clear, and other chems u will have a qt of clear left over.............I guess its smart for the company cause to use the rest of ur clear u gotta buy more hardner and such, u see that is as bad as bait and switch.
It is what it is ;) Just save your money for 2 boxes and run a 6 week cycle.
 
Based on a bit of speculation, let me explain some price/dose issues here:

1. The product is expensive to make to begin with, if I'm recalling correclty, but don't quote me on it.
2. Most importanty, if you're going to be running this for an extended period of time at a higher dose, you're going to need more PCT than what you may be finding at NP or any other online store outside of a Mexican "no questions asked" pharmacy. Get the drift? :)


For all those debating the other stuff, do what you will. No offense, but the term "don't knock it till you try it" still rings very very loudly. Wait a bit if you're skeptical. The guys who are buying it will eventually log and report on it. Decide then. Or, be adventurous and just go for it.

And why are things so expensive compared to the old whatevers? Well, for one thing, that was then, and this is now. Why is gas $3.45/gallon now? Why is milk $3/gallon? Why is 10lbs of ON whey now $80+? Inflation, supply and demand, and the market. It's just economics, folks. Nobody can prevent that. :(
 
I'm just sayin charge me a little more and give me a got dangit monthes worth thats all.
Consumer/retailer studies however say the opposite. They want a PH to sell for no more than mid 50's.

Sure you can get clones for cheap today, although when DS/AX were making them they were first to market, expensive as hell for us to make, and had a higher retailer to reflect that. SD was around $50-60 online. When you are the first to bring something to market it costs more. Then clone/bulk companies come in and leach off your work.

This is the same reason that more effort for funding studies, etc is not done in this industry. Everyone complains about the price and quantity when you are first to market, but want innovation and research to prove its effectiveness. With 3-AD you get innovation and effectiveness. We do not price things high "just because we can". Every product makes the same margin. This product is our most expensive to make and will be until the lab re-coups itself for the R/D and first runs of 2-ene AE.

Will the price be lower in a year? Yes. Is it expensive right now? Moderately, but you get an all in one cycle (this is a complete product you don't need to stack with anything) for around $70 per month. Its like we combined 3 great products into one. 2 hormonals at good dosing, and an support matrix to fill in the gaps. We easily could have made 3-AD into two different effective products that stack well together. It would have been half the price then for each one.........but optimally you would purchase both and probably pay more in the long run. We did not set out to create the cheapest sku with 3-AD, however we did set out to make the best and safest PH on the market while not compromising results.
 
I've read that most considered this compound too weak in regards to dosage. Now before pulling out your E-Guns and claiming that I'm bashing, a lot of loggers (reps too) say 6 caps is better. At the price that your suggesting, this is not economical. And for the record, TimDull is a class act when responding to post, even when attacked, he shows class.

Anyway, I am looking forward to reading more logs that are non-sponsored to better determine if I too, will drop the cash on 3AD. I was following the logs at BodyB.com, and the guy that has gained the most was double dosing.

The logs here, for the most part, are more realistic, and are easier to follow (again, for the most part).

Congrats on the new PH; I wish you all the best!
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Consumer/retailer studies however say the opposite. They want a PH to sell for no more than mid 50's.

Sure you can get clones for cheap today, although when DS/AX were making them they were first to market, expensive as hell for us to make, and had a higher retailer to reflect that. SD was around $50-60 online. When you are the first to bring something to market it costs more. Then clone/bulk companies come in and leach off your work.

This is the same reason that more effort for funding studies, etc is not done in this industry. Everyone complains about the price and quantity when you are first to market, but want innovation and research to prove its effectiveness. With 3-AD you get innovation and effectiveness. We do not price things high "just because we can". Every product makes the same margin. This product is our most expensive to make and will be until the lab re-coups itself for the R/D and first runs of 2-ene AE.

Will the price be lower in a year? Yes. Is it expensive right now? Moderately, but you get an all in one cycle (this is a complete product you don't need to stack with anything) for around $70 per month. Its like we combined 3 great products into one. 2 hormonals at good dosing, and an support matrix to fill in the gaps. We easily could have made 3-AD into two different effective products that stack well together. It would have been half the price then for each one.........but optimally you would purchase both and probably pay more in the long run. We did not set out to create the cheapest sku with 3-AD, however we did set out to make the best and safest PH on the market while not compromising results.
 
if you're might be prone to MPB and are taking something like Propecia, how will 3AD affect hairloss/shedding?
 
I saw 3-AD for 39.99... At that price it's not that bad, especially with what's in it. The 11-alpha and 5AR-DHEA should actually make 3-AD a good cutter.
I don't mean to complain so much about prices. I'm just a little beeyatch like that!:rant: I understand economics and being the first to bring a new product to the market and all. It will eventually get cloned and be alot cheaper, but WHEN? For the price I see above me here ($39.99) I WILL give it a spin. Sounds like a great product. I'm seeing some good logs on it here.:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Giving the price I'll just have to wait. I do understand the financial costs of producing it...just not in my price range just yet...sounds like a good product however!
 
Anyway, I am looking forward to reading more logs that are non-sponsored to better determine if I too, will drop the cash on 3AD. I was following the logs at BodyB.com, and the guy that has gained the most was double dosing.

The logs here, for the most part, are more realistic, and are easier to follow (again, for the most part).
I think if you are over 200-220lbs you are going to want to take 6 caps (bulk), thats what the guy that gained 18lbs or whatever was dosing. 6 caps. . 4 if you are just recomping. Thats the normal weight range with most supps when you look to increase the dosage. Keep a lookout for those logs, I expect constant results from most people that can train and eat right.
 
I think if you are over 200-220lbs you are going to want to take 6 caps (bulk), thats what the guy that gained 18lbs or whatever was dosing. 6 caps. .

I fall into this category (215lbs). However, won't 6 caps/day put me into the "OTC PCT's not enough at higher dose" category? I'm unable to obtain Nolva/Torem so I'm mainly interested in how far I can push dosing, yet be able to recover with something like aPCT.

We'll probably have to wait until a bunch of people log this product, but do you have any recommendations on how much you can dose before a "higher grade" PCT is necessary? Is the 4caps/day/22.5 days as far as you can go with an OTC PCT?
 
That makes no sense. 6 caps for you is like 4 caps for someone at 170lbs. That does nothing to increase the PCT required. I have NEVER used anything but OTC PCT's with any PH (1-AD, SD, PP, 3-AD, etc, etc). For me, I use them responsibly and have never had an issue. Some people might say you need a SERM. I am a believer that you don't, the formulator has also stated a god OTC PCT regime is fine also.
 
if you're might be prone to MPB and are taking something like Propecia, how will 3AD affect hairloss/shedding?


bump.

Im also interested on how 3AD effects hair and how harsh is it realistically.

Is it more "you WILL lose some hair but not much" or "You MIGHT lose some but we dont know how much".
 
That makes no sense. 6 caps for you is like 4 caps for someone at 170lbs. That does nothing to increase the PCT required. I have NEVER used anything but OTC PCT's with any PH (1-AD, SD, PP, 3-AD, etc, etc). For me, I use them responsibly and have never had an issue. Some people might say you need a SERM. I am a believer that you don't, the formulator has also stated a god OTC PCT regime is fine also.
:goodpost: I also have never used a prescription SERM. I have used a natty homemade SERM of various ingredients similar to PCS. All of my past PH cycles (super, phera, tren, tst, H-drol, M-dien, and MDHT) I followed up with OTC PCT's only. No gyno, no problems. I use AI's like formestane and trione also.:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
If your really worried about over the counter, just get some dermacrine. I havent used it yet, but I have studied the ingredients list and it really does seem like the flagship of OTC pct's. I personally like to keep things cheap, so I am going to make my own TD though. A very simple one, form and resveratrol, or maybe a different anti-e... I havent decided yet. Anyways, the new OTC stuff should suffice for something like this. As well, for those worried about cost, why not just double dose for an amazing two weeker. I know that the two week on 4 week off protocol hasnt been that popular lately, but I think that this product would be perfect for such protocol.... double dosed that is.
 
what about restore as a pct: 6-bromo (e-control), prolactin inhibition, cortisol inhibition, increased free test, and increased delivery.

sounds like its covered many of the bases
 
bump.

Im also interested on how 3AD effects hair and how harsh is it realistically.

Is it more "you WILL lose some hair but not much" or "You MIGHT lose some but we dont know how much".


It appears that no one (including product rep) wants to answer, so i did some digging.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

According to the product label:
Possible androgenic side effects including acne, hair loss, increased levels of estrogen and testicular atrophy may occur.

Also after some quick googling, I'm still sort of confused. If a drug like propecia blocks the conversion of the 5a androstan into DHT, would this mean that products like 3AD would be ineffective?


5α-androstan, a key ingredient, Inhibition of 5α reductase activity is known to improve MPHL

In alopecia (androgenic hairloss), pattern-baldness is one of the effects of androgenic receptor activation. Reducing the levels of dihydrotestosterone thus reduces alopecia.

5α-reductase inhibitors (or 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors)(drugs like Propecia) are a group of drugs with antiandrogenic activity, used in the treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia and androgenic (or androgenetic) alopecia. These drugs decrease the levels of available 5α-reductase prior to testosterone binding with the enzyme, thus reducing levels of dihydrotestosterone that derives from such a bond.

The enzyme 5α-reductase is involved in the conversion of testosterone to the active form dihydrotestosterone by reducing the Δ4,5 double-bond. In benign prostatic hyperplasia, dihydrotestosterone acts as a potent cellular androgen and promotes prostate growth - inhibiting the enzyme reduces the excessive prostate growth. In alopecia, pattern-baldness is one of the effects of androgenic receptor activation. Reducing the levels of dihydrotestosterone thus reduces alopecia.

While the mechanism by which DHT is involved in hair loss is not confirmed, many dermatologists and research scientists specializing in hair loss believe DHT molecules may diffuse into the interior of hair follicle cells (the cytoplasm or cytosol) and bind with androgen receptors. This complex, both the receptor and the DHT molecule, then enters the nucleus of the cell. In the nucleus of the hair follicle cell this complex could then alter the rate of protein synthesis in men who are genetically predisposed to baldness.

However, DHT also plays an important role in the functioning of the central nervous system (the brain), the testicles and prostate, and almost everything but muscle tissue. In muscle tissue testosterone is the dominant hormone, which is why some bodybuilders inject testosterone derivatives to aid in muscular development.

* Propecia (and other products containing finasteride) causes a rise in testosterone levels, because testosterone that would normally be converted into DHT remains testosterone. Continual high levels of testosterone in the body could possibly have negative side effects.

* Artificially low levels of DHT in the body could cause some unwanted conditions. DHT is an antagonist of estrogen. Men’s bodies also produce the female hormone estrogen in the adrenal glands, although this is just one-tenth of the estrogen that premenopausal women produce in their ovaries. By reducing DHT with drugs, a man’s protection from the effects of estrogen may also be reduced. This could result in gynecomastia.

* Even though both finasteride and dutasteride were developed to combat benign prostatic hyperplasia by reducing DHT in prostate tissue, some scientists question the wisdom of using these 5-alpha reductase inhibitors in younger men who have no problem with their prostates. A research chemist, Patrick Arnold, says “Evidence is mounting that the existence of a high estrogen/androgen ratio – a condition common in older men – is highly correlated with the development of benign prostatic hyperplasia.”[citation needed] However, in apparent contradiction, individuals with 5-alpha-reductase deficiency (and thus a similar hormonal profile to users of DHT inhibitors) do not experience BPH.
 
That all has to do with where the majority of 5a reductase is located. The majority is located in specific tissues, not the blood. The majority is found in the skin and the prostate, so there is very little dht circulating to react with androgen receptors in muscles. The hormone in 3ad is 5a reduced dhea, therefore it does not need to be 5a reduced because it already is. As well, dht is usually deactived very quickely in muscles from (i believe??, I am typing this all of the top of my head) the the high concentrations of 3a and 3b dehydrogenase enzymes. These specific enzymes are what indeed activates this hormone to bio-active. So you can see how 5a-dhea is indeed a very effective product and how these anti-dht products are completely reduntant with 5a-dhea. They will not prevent the conversion of this hormone to dht because 5a-dhea is not need to be 5a reduced.
 
Propecia or Dutasteride will have no effect with 3AD. The compounds used in 3ADs formula are already 5a reduced. Any androgen can effect hairloss. I have MPB and now use minox twice a day. When I alpha tested the formula i wasnt using any minox and I didnt notice any increased shedding. Only one out of the 5 testers noticed any hairloss.

As far as PCT, when I alpha tested this I used doses that no one will use. I always take my dosing to certain levels to look for side effects etc. I used 6bromo (aPCT) and Activate Xtreme only for my entire PCT.

Like Big Smith I havent used anything but OTC Supps for PCT over the course of the last 5 years. As long as you increase test production, increase the usable amount of that test, control estrogen and cortisol then you are covered.
 
3-ad for lean hard waterless gains or just mass?
 
I'm not sure about the watergains, but I got a good 5 lbs and i'm week 4 into the cycle.

My bench press has gone up (almost 20 lbs) and I'm now stronger then I've ever been in that regard.

My diet lately has been good, but being a skeptic going in I can tell you that there is something in it that works.

Also taking Propecia, I have not noticed any shedding or loss and I'm w/o a doubt MPB.

My cycle ends Aug 7th, and Oct 1 i'm doing another one (this time 4-6-6-6-6-4)

Also once the cycle ends I'm going to get a test check up to see if the test levels are above normal or not, and I'm going to post results here, along w/ liver enzyme levels.
 
I had some awesome gains on 3-AD
 
Like Big Smith I havent used anything but OTC Supps for PCT over the course of the last 5 years. As long as you increase test production, increase the usable amount of that test, control estrogen and cortisol then you are covered.

Same here!
 
Thanks for the 2 responses. Any ana-Xtrme reps there care to comment if this is a totally dry/totally wet or an in-between product?? Thanks
 
I would have to say that it's quite a dry compound. I think that some may have increased a slight bit of water retention at the beginning, but it soon went away. I used it on a recomp and had some great effects without getting bloaty or anything at all. Definition really came out on me - and with my build, definition is definitely a good thing! ;) :D
 
Nope, no reports of it all. Unless my mind has completely erased them, all reports were very very good in this aspect. :D
 
Any reports of Gyno, including flare-ups?


I still stand behind my original post.

Here are some pics. I'm a little on the fat side mainly because I'm getting lazy and don't want to do cardio (or stop drinking beer) and I'm in the bulk phase so I do cardio later so I don't care right now.

Here are photos from 3 days ago (this is after a heavy drinking nite) (just want to get the excuses out of the way early :P



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the litte bit of fat on the bottom of the pec I've had way before the 3-AD

this is me after a cycle of Size on (the creatine), lots of protein and a consistent schedule about 7 months ago---right after a workout with No Xplode

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to be totally fair to the product I have many shortcomings on my end, and I think if I was using 3AD while taking the picture directly above this sentence I would have been a lot more of ---what I would like to have been.
 
i'm interested in 3 ad but i'm most concern about the dosing c i'm a lil body only weight about 145 or this is not for me
 
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