This sounds like a conspiracy theory
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thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
How many congressmen are chemical engineers?
If I tell you I have something that (1) doesn't require a new car system (2) doesn't require petroleum (3) can be made from a renewable resource, you'd be so sold on the idea, you'd nearly crap your pants.
Currently, ethanol and biodiesel are the "easy way out", and when you've got damn near the entire country breathing down your back about gas prices (not to mention being pissed yourself about the gas prices), you're gonna get on that like I wanna get on Jolene Blalock.
hardknock
Well-known member
I have first hand experience with this type of thing. There are a lot of farmers that produce the corn that gets shipped to the ethanol manufacturers. Also, I there are a huge denomination of chicken farmers here as well.
The chicken farmers are p!SSED because the price of corn has "skyrocketed" for them. Now they are struggling to feed the chicken, which causes them to raise the price of their direct sale price because they are now having to raise LESS chicken to cover the loss of not having enough corn to feed to many chicken...follow me still? lol...
So now the price of chicken has edged up quite a bit.., Also, something that some people do not realize about farmers. Ask any one of them and they'll tell you that if every industry went to using ethanol, we'd be screwed after a time period. Most farmers will tell you that it's totally not good for the earth/farm land to regrow the same crop, time after time, season after season. It is especially negative when they are having to produce that amount of corn...Most of the farmers here (alabama) do not even regrow (the same food) on the same land; they just split it up into 50 acre plots (those that have about 300+ acres)
...and to boot, ethanol sure burns cleaner and ALSO it burns faster...i was using ethanol and filling up 3 times a week...I went back to plan ol joe, and im filling up 2 times a week...
I'll tell you this much; it seems as if it's a circle jerk, somethings got to bust.
hardknock
Well-known member
8 cents on the gallon or 48 cents on the gallon, it's all relative once you look at a gazillion gallons being sold ... Yeah, the oil companies might be asking the government to drill in places that would rid our oil dependencies, but i bet my last dime they are asking in a faint voice, or if they are "begging" its probably from the balcony of their 5 million dollar mansions.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Like the way the phone company and cable company and electronics company and car company and every other fortune 500 executives also do?
hardknock
Well-known member
Basically...lol
Although, I can respect some of the 500 comps, because some of them are not pretending to give a damn..haha, they're just like, hey we're here, like us or love us.
AM07
Well-known member
The oil companies would LOVE to rid our dependence on foreign oil. Because then big oil would be setting the prices, not OPEC and the damn Muslim terrorists in the shithole known as the Middle East. Imagine if WE had control of the oil, we would set the prices to the rest of the world. Gas prices would decrease big time if big oil could set the prices, yet they would still make their high profits, so everyone benefits.
The environmental lobby is very big here in the U.S. That's how the fallacy of global warming (oh I'm sorry, climate change) has been spread so rapidly, through the liberal media, education system, and Hollywood.
hardknock
Well-known member
I understand what your saying and in the perfect world that would be the effect of it all; although, in the real world, i would not hang my hat on that outcome as i have put my dollar on those types of bets before only to come up with lint in my pockets....just saying...
We live in a world ran by, well, US. Ye,s, human beings, and whenever a human being is placed into the equation, well...you get the rest.
I mean, just by the media hyping the "Muslim" terrorist for the past what, 10 billion years, we all have an "opinionated fact" of the middle east, yet a trip there has told me so much more of a different story.
I guess what they say is true; they hand is quicker than the eye...especially when there is a news camera in front of it.
BodyWizard
Registered User
Something like this already happened: the year I graduated from high school, gasoline was 25¢ per gallon at the pump. We were importing oil, yes, but domestic production had not yet peaked, so "whoopee!"
We sold our own oil dirt-cheap - and at a huge rate - to ourselves, not the rest of the world: while I was paying 25¢ a gallon, Germans were paying equivalent to $1 per quart; unfortunately, domestic production peaked more than 20 years ago...which is *why* we're dependent on "those damn Muslim terrorists", and "those damn Canadian terrorists", and "those damn..." - oh, never mind.
Back in those days, US Big Oil *did* control the world's oil supply - which led directly to OPEC's formation, in a effort to not get screwed out of their oil anymore. Google ARAMCO if you care. If you *really* care, read up on how the Mideast got divided up after WW1_ it is the story of how "our" Middle East was created, and how the US swindled almost all the oil away from Britain....
Would it be safe to guess that you're too young to remember what the weather *used* to be like? I have seen ENORMOUS long-term climatic change during my life-time, and it concerns me. Your view of "the fallacy" of climate change seems to come straight ought of the talk-radio ignoramuses (who just love to distort issues like this - for their own entertainment, I suppose), and betrays no actual research or thought of your own. Kinda puts a crimp in your contribution.
Oh, and can we finally tank this "liberal media" crap? Many reporters may be 'liberal' in their views (though the word has become just as meaningless as 'conservative'), but every major media outlet is owned and operated by wealthy conservatives whose "principles" are closer to Rupert Murdoch's than Barbra Streisand's (srsly: does ANYBODY listen to Barbra Streisand about *anything*???).
Okay, since this is getting 'nuanced', I'm out.
BodyWizard
Registered User
Amen, brother!
hardknock
Well-known member
I can vouch for that one...
My brother was in the military in germany around 1984 i believe; and as I remember, he was saying (though i was a bit young and do not remember exactly) but he was saying that the german people were paying out the ying/yang for gas, and our gas was like, what, 1.95 a gallon or something?
Everything that you stated basically expanded on what I was explaining in my last post.
AM07
Well-known member
There may be some climate change going on, but do you honestly think much of it is contributed because of mankind? Our planet has seen times of changing temperatures throughout the millenia that this planet has been here. The Democrats just want more and more regulation and control over our individual lives, which is why they're pushing so much for action against global warming. And you know what "action" means in a Democrat's world? MORE TAXES and MORE GOVERNMENT. When has this ever done good for mankind? Liberals have done much more harm to this country than global warming ever will.
Do you read the NYT, Washington Post, Boston Globe, or watch any major media news outlet on television? It's blatantly obvious the media has a liberal slant to it, with the exception of a handful of news organizations. There are numerous examples of this.
**** politics. Republicans and Democrats alike are all idiots.
AM07
Well-known member
If this is true, then it's even more apparent that man-made global warming is less and less true. While there are many scientists that do believe we are seeing higher-than-average climate change, there are also many scientists that don't believe it.
hardknock
Well-known member
yeah there are but that's like arguing history. it is evident that the earth is experiencing climate changes that are unfamiliar with history and highly abnormal, relative to a period of time. we do not need scientist to tell us that much.
BodyWizard
Registered User
"The millennia that the planet has been here"?
There is definitely climate change taking place, and it's taking place more rapidly than even the most pessimistic scientists predicted. They may debate the relative influence of what is driving it, but not its occurrence, not its effects, and not the risk it poses to human populations. Human misuse of the biosphere is uncontroversial (outside of the right-wing talkosphere), and the debate over whether *it* is THE significant factor is over: it simply doesn't matter whether we are the cause. It's happening, and our influence - while hard to sort out from & weigh against other factors - is significant. Is it a bigger deal than the increasing heat output from the sun? Who cares?
Bottom line is: if at all possible, we need to not help the world heat up any faster...unless you want to make the Malthusian argument that we should allow excess and infirm populations die off to strengthen "the rest of the herd" - in which case, make that argument.
Apparently the actions of the Republicans these last 7.5 years have completely escaped you - or you desperately misunderstand what's been happening in this country & the world for the last century - if you think that paragraph contains ANY cogent observations.
Assertions are cheap: I assert that the neo-conservatives, religious "right" and Republican Party have, in the last eight years, inflicted more real damage on this country than *anything that's happened since Reconstruction.
You can't debate, or argue, or even DISCUSS if assertions are all you've got. Try facts, they work better...or, at least, an argument.
Neither regularly nor frequently. The Wall Street Journal & The Economist are mostly what I read.
The editorial slant of *any* media outlet is determined by the demographics the editorial board hopes to capture: this is true of both "liberal" and "conservative" slants. Whenever a given slant ceases to further the bottom line, that slant will change. Which is, ultimately my point on this: the profit motive, not some idealistic agenda, determines these things, yet I don't hear you celebrating the glories of the marketplace in this instance.
As Robert Heinlein observed, politics is "only slightly less important than your own heartbeat," and therefore worthy of attention and involvement. But I have total disdain for our current 'beer-commercial' debate, which obscures and distracts from what we need to see clearly and unsympathetically.
BodyWizard
Registered User
BTW: welcome back, ManBeast - good to have you around again! :drunk:
Iron Warrior
Registered User
By the way, do you guys remember when we we're friggin raging mad whengas hit $2 a gallon ? Damn, wish I could get that $2 per gallon bargain again LOL.
P.S. ca gasoline be bought at bulk quantities for discounts ? Maybe Nutra should look into this
P.S. ca gasoline be bought at bulk quantities for discounts ? Maybe Nutra should look into this
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
By the way, do you guys remember when we we're friggin raging mad whengas hit $2 a gallon ? Damn, wish I could get that $2 per gallon bargain again LOL.
P.S. ca gasoline be bought at bulk quantities for discounts ? Maybe Nutra should look into this
My parents have a couple of 5 gal gas tanks that they keep in the garage. When the prices reach a low, or they acquire a crap load of gas points, they'll fill 'em up. Just an idea that can save ya a small amount of $$$ on gas.