Acne
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DeerDeer
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No study has ever pointed to diet altering the course of true acne vulgaris, not chocolate, not pizza, not anything.
Start with a good non-residue soap for your face, would NOT recommend java soap for the face. Super fatted soaps like dove are great for the body.
As for non-residue face wash - go with cetaphil cleanaser. That's a great way to start. Looks like you may have to skip that and you may need to consider a benzoyl peroxide product. You can use a 10% though it may be drying, you cna use it 1 x day if that is the case. Avoid picking and scrubbing.
To open the pores, you'll need to see your pcp or a dermatologist to prescribe a retin-a type product. It opens up the pores and nromalizes the keratinization of your skin. You just apply a thin amount of it every night.
For each of these products, it take a good 2-3 months to notice a difference since the skin on your face is at various stages of growth and comedone/pimple formation.
cheers!
MentalTwitch
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While no report has, i have real life evidence.
1. Chocalate does. Iget mine in control fairly easily and maintain, i eat a chocalte bar, or PB cups and i get large cycte ones, either on my neck or forehead. Like clockwork, I actually made a bet awhikle ago with someone casue they said the same thing
I also have 2 friends who break out from certain protien powders. I have also, uscle milk. Its great but yea it makes it worse.
What gel you have? Tazorac? Duac? Those are the 2 i use on and off.
1. Chocalate does. Iget mine in control fairly easily and maintain, i eat a chocalte bar, or PB cups and i get large cycte ones, either on my neck or forehead. Like clockwork, I actually made a bet awhikle ago with someone casue they said the same thing
I also have 2 friends who break out from certain protien powders. I have also, uscle milk. Its great but yea it makes it worse.
What gel you have? Tazorac? Duac? Those are the 2 i use on and off.
riba
New member
Would Zinc help ? Or other supstane peroraly?
Because I have changed milions of cremes and soaps.Now Im usin one gel,on natural base,homemade,and its better.But this Weightgainer are making my face worse
Manimalia
Well-known member
strangely enough, proactiv actually does work. i know a lot of people say that it's hype, but i'd sampled it and it does work for the face. i don't have acne, but get the occasional breakouts.
however, it does not work for larger pimples, like the mountains i get on my upper back from time to time. them shits are terrible!
however, it does not work for larger pimples, like the mountains i get on my upper back from time to time. them shits are terrible!
Manimalia
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oh yeah, and clean up your diet if you haven't. also, avoid overwashing/picking at your face. don't rub your face either. these things irritate/"spread" the acne.
it is, however, crucial to wash your face each night before bed! wash it good! and get a solid 8 hours of sleep; that will help as well.
it is, however, crucial to wash your face each night before bed! wash it good! and get a solid 8 hours of sleep; that will help as well.
Manimalia
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actually, i don't want to hijack the thread, but i had a bit of a specialized question in relation to the main one from the starter: how can one eradicate backne? i don't get widespread pimples on my back. i just get, on occasion, like two BIG, RED, BOULDERIZED bumps.
i thought of using a back scrubber and mayhaps mixing the soap i put on it with a salicylic acid lather. how's that sound for a possible go?
i thought of using a back scrubber and mayhaps mixing the soap i put on it with a salicylic acid lather. how's that sound for a possible go?
DeerDeer
Registered User
Proactiv works because of compliance - a patient will pay $5 for a benzoyl peroxide preparation or sal acid preparation - they are less likely to use it than if they paid $100 for something.
Correlations of diet exacerbation of acne is not grounded only with empirical evidence - but one must eat healthy - though normal variants exist where certain dietary components may in theory increase sebum production. Bottom line, eat healthy. Any hormonal; shifts may increase sebum production.
There are benzoyl peroxide preparations that come with an applicator for the back.
Some bodybuilders/lifters/athletes are all into the underarmor restrictive and supposed more breathable attire - there are several acne exacerbations that correlate with this attire. Plain cotton is still the best and most breathable for day to day workouts and the least comodegenic.
hman85
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Try antibacterial dish soap. It works great for the back.
DeerDeer
Registered User
comedones take 28 days to form. So if you eat something today, it would only appear 28 days down the road, hence why the correlation is false, but more incidental rather and the fact that excess sebum production and free fatty acid synthesis by p. acnes as the main contributor to comedone formation.
The only instance that could cause an acute breakout is an infection versus an allergic or irritant contact dermatitis.
cheers.
DeerDeer
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In the right setting and control, works amazing for the correct indication. TOpical retinoids are excellent as well. ie retin a, tazorac, differin...
DeerDeer
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Has too much residue and can be very harsh and drying ont eh skin. It has components that dissolve and separate fats, think of all the good lipid that is being removed from the skin.
hman85
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It works for your back and doesn't dry me out to much!
MentalTwitch
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ok no offense to anyone but...
dont recomend accutane until other options have been used. ITs tough stuff and only to be run by itself, no other vits or supps.
Proactiveworks for people who forget to wash thier face sometimes, its overpriced and over rated. I know as well as many other users i have talked too.
Diet is key, but i have a very respectable diet and no it does not solve it.
It is an over productin of the oil gland(sebum) that causes severe acne so you need to go a bit above and beyond.
I would recomend...yes checking diet first.
DO NOT USE DISH SOAP! you will over dry, and it will come back with vengance, once again i know(when i was younger)
Do not use stuff like AXE shower gel, only ones made specific for acne, there is a new one out i have not tried yet.
Dove soap, there is a certain one i have to find out from my Derm that is 100% perfect ingredient profile.
I use a Mega BComplex and dose 3 times a day, 2 double 1 regular, it does help, i can stand by that.
If you do not outgrow it, like me. And it is troublesome i would say, go to a derm and ask him for, Doryx(oral, not accutane but like it.) Tazorac, opens the pores often aplied at night. Duac, Cleans the pores, used in the a.m.
My Derm has switched my cream protocal as i progress, and added one.
It sucks to have to do that 3 times a day but it does help. I have a feeling he is just trying to rid of it a bit and then put me on a low dose accutane like 5mg a day.
Do not use accutane off of black market or on your own. You need blood work done with it. Its all business, if you dont know, it destroys, as in kills your oil gland, which does not allow the sebum to be prduced in excess.
Good luck. And there will be an end of it.
Any other Q's feel free to PM me.
dont recomend accutane until other options have been used. ITs tough stuff and only to be run by itself, no other vits or supps.
Proactiveworks for people who forget to wash thier face sometimes, its overpriced and over rated. I know as well as many other users i have talked too.
Diet is key, but i have a very respectable diet and no it does not solve it.
It is an over productin of the oil gland(sebum) that causes severe acne so you need to go a bit above and beyond.
I would recomend...yes checking diet first.
DO NOT USE DISH SOAP! you will over dry, and it will come back with vengance, once again i know(when i was younger)
Do not use stuff like AXE shower gel, only ones made specific for acne, there is a new one out i have not tried yet.
Dove soap, there is a certain one i have to find out from my Derm that is 100% perfect ingredient profile.
I use a Mega BComplex and dose 3 times a day, 2 double 1 regular, it does help, i can stand by that.
If you do not outgrow it, like me. And it is troublesome i would say, go to a derm and ask him for, Doryx(oral, not accutane but like it.) Tazorac, opens the pores often aplied at night. Duac, Cleans the pores, used in the a.m.
My Derm has switched my cream protocal as i progress, and added one.
It sucks to have to do that 3 times a day but it does help. I have a feeling he is just trying to rid of it a bit and then put me on a low dose accutane like 5mg a day.
Do not use accutane off of black market or on your own. You need blood work done with it. Its all business, if you dont know, it destroys, as in kills your oil gland, which does not allow the sebum to be prduced in excess.
Good luck. And there will be an end of it.
Any other Q's feel free to PM me.
MentalTwitch
Well-known member
if you dont have a
severe case then it may, but if you have a severe case then it will be worse. The sebum in harsh cases is just over produced. If you dry out the skin with the dish soap, the oil gland will over produce and the skin is more likely to hold more oil wince it gets prduced so fast.
Gutterpump
Banned
b-5 worked great for me
I never really have acne when I'm not hittin the gym (or when I wasn't) but since I've started busting my ass again, it's come back, but only on the back, which is weird since I never used to get it on my back as a teen.
b-5 does work, also look at >
vitamin a (from fish oil) over 25,000 iu per day or more.
Liv.52 (liver cleanser/detoxifier)
Poseidon
Lots of water
A good quality toner without alcohol, and a good non-oily moisturizer. If you take care of your skin and take care of your body (detoxify, support liver) and have a healthy diet especially rich in fish oil, normally this keeps it under control.
I never really have acne when I'm not hittin the gym (or when I wasn't) but since I've started busting my ass again, it's come back, but only on the back, which is weird since I never used to get it on my back as a teen.
b-5 does work, also look at >
vitamin a (from fish oil) over 25,000 iu per day or more.
Liv.52 (liver cleanser/detoxifier)
Poseidon
Lots of water
A good quality toner without alcohol, and a good non-oily moisturizer. If you take care of your skin and take care of your body (detoxify, support liver) and have a healthy diet especially rich in fish oil, normally this keeps it under control.
hman85
Well-known member
No I know this I was just recommending it to people for their backs. I almost never have acne, but when on cycle I do sometimes get some small ones on back and shoulders. I use some of the dish soap and it is gone almost instantly. I think the key is if you have minor acne on back and shoulders use it till it dries up then stop. I read it somewhere it was a old bodybuilding trick from arnolds day.
DeerDeer
Registered User
Let me clarify this - A dermatologist will offer tiered treatment options. No derm woul dever start anyone on Doryx off the bat. Doryx is a timed release and EXPENSIVE doxycycline formulation. It's an antibiotic my friend. If your acne were inflammatory and pustuluar, acutely they would consider starting one on doxycyline, tetracycline, or minocycline. Doryx woul dnot even cross their minds. And above all, antiniotic use is a short term thing - they are used not for antibiotic properties but mroe for antiinflammatory properties. Works by a COMPLETELY different mechanism than Accutane or isotretinoin - they are TOTALLY different.
Tazorac i sa topical retinoid, a derm woul dnever start off with tazorac, rather they woul dstart with retin A - they are both retinoids, basically vitamin a derivatives like accutane but topical formulations. Like I said before, it alters sebum production and normalizes keratinization. It helps open some of the dysfunctional pores.
Duac is benzoyl peroxide plus clindamycin - both have activity against p. acnes and help rid of someof the surface debris and clean superficially. It works well but most people start off with the individual benzoyl peroxide before the jump to the more expensive combo formulations.
Accutane DOES NOT KILL PORES! The dangers are in destroying your liver! Dangerously elevating your triglycerides! Exacerbating anyone predisposed to depression! 5mg per day does nothing and accutane is temporary and must be administered by a professional that is registerd with a monitoring system called ipledge. It is a serious drug with serious side effects. Lately docs are following cpk levels which can elevate to dangerously high levels and can harm your kidneys.
I am shocked by the misinformation I have been reading!
cheers.
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DeerDeer
Registered User
Vitamin A is not the answer - the vitamin A derivatives which interact with the retinoid receptors in the skin are key. tretinoin, tazarotene, adapalene, etc are retinoids or vitamin a derivatives which arebiologically active int eh skin and nromalize keratinization.
Excess amounts of Vitamin A are harmful! See a dermatologist!
cheers
DeerDeer
Registered User
A safe and mild soap to use for back acne is cetaphil's gentle antibacterial soap. Safe to use even on teh face occasionally.