Difference between old and new Jungle Warfare?

AM07

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What's the difference between the original formula and the new formula of Jungle Warfare? I found one that says it's the old formula, and it lists this as the ingredients:

Conjugated(-) 3,4-divanillyl tetrahydrofuran, ADED (17-alkyl-4-delta-5a-dehydro-etiocholan- 1,6-dien-3-one)

Is that right? If so, is the old formula better than the new one? Does the old one require any PCT?
 
The newer version seems to be more enjoyed by people, even though it contains a very weak version of a steroid in it. Or, what many people claim at least. I've heard that many people using the old version (in the red bottles) experienced a lot of issues, especially with 'the boys.'

I'm interested in finding this out myself.
 
The clear bottles (which were manuf. 2 years ago) contained 6-DMT which is supposed to be a dianabol isomer.


The new bottles (red bottles), have methyl ATD in it. People lose their libido with poor results.

This is currently the most accurate information that I have about this.
 
ReaperX said:
The clear bottles (which were manuf. 2 years ago) contained 6-DMT which is supposed to be a dianabol isomer.


The new bottles (red bottles), have methyl ATD in it. People lose their libido with poor results.

This is currently the most accurate information that I have about this.
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So, one shouldn't worry about the libido loss associated with the JW in the red bottles if they ordered it in a clear bottle, correct?
 
yeah if you got clear bottles you have the good stuff and are very lucky, because they were discontinued quite awhile ago.

I have yet to see someone find clear bottles. Me and a member on this board have been dissecting the JW issue for awhile now.
 
ReaperX said:
The clear bottles (which were manuf. 2 years ago) contained 6-DMT which is supposed to be a dianabol isomer.


The new bottles (red bottles), have methyl ATD in it. People lose their libido with poor results.

This is currently the most accurate information that I have about this.
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This is actually backwards. The old ones had MATD and the new ones have 6-DMT. I have ran both of them.
 
ReaperX said:
yeah if you got clear bottles you have the good stuff and are very lucky, because they were discontinued quite awhile ago.

I have yet to see someone find clear bottles. Me and a member on this board have been dissecting the JW issue for awhile now.
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I encourage people I know to order only from NP, but sometimes you have to venture elsewhere. Unfortunately.

It was a rather well-known website. Another supplement site. I tend to pass along information that I come across on here, so my friend was sure to order a clear bottle (which was pictured) instead of a red bottle.

Perhaps, due to such issues with the JW in the red bottles, some retailers refuse to carry it? Possible or no?

I wonder why ALRI doesn't go into much detail about this stuff.
 
The clear bottles are the old ones. The red bottles are the new ones.

When you say you've 'ran' both of the slow-mun, does that mean that you lab tested them ?

Most user feedback has been more positive on the clear bottles (older bottles) vs. the new red bottles.
 
ReaperX said:
The clear bottles are the old ones. The red bottles are the new ones.

When you say you've 'ran' both of the slow-mun, does that mean that you lab tested them ?

Most user feedback has been more positive on the clear bottles (older bottles) vs. the new red bottles.
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I've noticed that our Australian members only have access to the red bottles, which read as 'Jungle Warfare Extreme.'
 
ReaperX said:
The clear bottles are the old ones. The red bottles are the new ones.

When you say you've 'ran' both of the slow-mun, does that mean that you lab tested them ?

Most user feedback has been more positive on the clear bottles (older bottles) vs. the new red bottles.
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Why is it when you are proven wrong, you act like a pretentious ass? The old bottles, which were MATD, were the more effective of the two and had fewer sides. I agree with that and can back that up with user experience.
 
if someone could ask PA if the bottle he tested was red or clear this would probably clear up a lot of confusion.
 
FrankJ said:
Dude you are the one thats wrong, and the one acting like an ass.

WTF did reaper say that was ass-like?

Old one - roids
New one - mATD
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We have had run in's before, but I don't remember having them with you. Here's how it was-
Initially just MATD, then it was MATD and 6-DMT, now it is 6-DMT.
 
BTW, I'd love to post a link to my log of the original from '06, but I can't post links to other forums.
 
From personal experience i ran it when it first came out which is when i thought they had MATD these were the clear bottles with purple and green lettering. Libido never really dropped horrible and i never really got any huge pump or felt like i was on anything minor and im pretty aware of whats going on.

Also i beleive the newer bottle is what was said to have the minor steroid in it which is also why i beleive 2 of there best reps left the company. I could be wrong and i am NOT trying to start a rumor but i beleive this is what happened.
 
slow-mun said:
The old bottles, which were MATD, were the more effective of the two and had fewer sides. I agree with that and can back that up with user experience.
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I ran the clear bottle (the one with the green/blue label) back at the beginning of '06 and had great size and strength gains with no apparent side effects. At the end of '07 I ran the red bottle with the labels that match most of the other ALRI products and didn't find the same strength and size gains.

It was my understanding that the former version was mATD and the latter (current) version was the (apparently weak) steroid isomer.

If anyone has the clear bottle with blue/green labels, please contact me. I would love to take them off your hands!
 
3clipseGT said:
From personal experience i ran it when it first came out which is when i thought they had MATD these were the clear bottles with purple and green lettering. Libido never really dropped horrible and i never really got any huge pump or felt like i was on anything minor and im pretty aware of whats going on.

Also i beleive the newer bottle is what was said to have the minor steroid in it which is also why i beleive 2 of there best reps left the company. I could be wrong and i am NOT trying to start a rumor but i beleive this is what happened.
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I seem to remember this as it was happening too. I also put my mouth in the ring for ALRI and ended up having to eat crow when my nipples started to leak. BTW, that doesn't happen on MATD, b/c I've used Ultra Hotter in the past and it actually increased my libido while keeping aromotase in check.
 
Well, if ALRI wasn't so assbackwards then I wouldn't have a hard time dissecting the issue.


Anyways, I didn't see in your log that there was evidence that it was 6-DMT, but if that's what you believe then ok.

....then again who really knows what the hell is in jungle warfare anyway.
 
ReaperX said:
Well, if ALRI wasn't so assbackwards then I wouldn't have a hard time dissecting the issue.


Anyways, I didn't see in your log that there was evidence that it was 6-DMT, but if that's what you believe then ok.

....then again who really knows what the hell is in jungle warfare anyway.
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I don't believe I was posting lab evidence by posting a link. I was just posting my results from using 6-DMT. MATD does not deliver those side effects, but if that's what you wanna believe then fine. I'm sure you're the more experienced in this realm, since I do not have a science degree, nor do I claim to.
 
slow-mun said:
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We have had run in's before, but I don't remember having them with you. Here's how it was-
Initially just MATD, then it was MATD and 6-DMT, now it is 6-DMT.
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That order is also what I remember from the ol' days when PA was here.
 
ReaperX said:
if someone could ask PA if the bottle he tested was red or clear this would probably clear up a lot of confusion.
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He tested both, I sent them to him.


clear w/ blue-green label contained -( ADED) trace amounts of Matd AND 6-dehydromethyltestosterone

red bottle - ( ADED )Only 6-dehydromethyltestosterone
 
And here it is straight form Author L. Rea (from another site so won't post the link)

Author L. Rea
Registered User


Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 61
Rep Power: 33 Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
sorry.

yes, A all 6, and B mATD and 6

Correct PA. As most know we changed the formula of JW about a year plus ago. We sent PA a bottle of the older (and discontinued for sometime) and newer JW which he was kind enough to test. Why did we change it? We like the 4,6 analog better than the 1,4,6 (Matd).
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slow-mun said:
That's the older version that most people liked.
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So this one produced better results? Also, people talk about blue and red bottles, but this is a clear bottle. I just want to 100% make sure this is the older bottles that produced better results before I make a commitment to purchasing it. Thanks.

Also, could the older version be used on a cut/recomp?
 
AM07 said:
So this one produced better results? Also, people talk about blue and red bottles, but this is a clear bottle. I just want to 100% make sure this is the older bottles that produced better results before I make a commitment to purchasing it. Thanks.

Also, could the older version be used on a cut/recomp?
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I think they usually refer to the older clear bottles as the blue ones, b/c all you would see was the blue capsules. That's exactly what my older bottles looked like, unless there was an all blue bottle released that I never saw or heard of. Yes, you could use the older version for cut/recomp, but be aware that you will become insulin sensitive because of the bitter melon extract in the formula. You won't be able to reduce carbs drastically, unless you want to feel like crap.
 
Okay, thanks. Now I have another question. If the blue bottle is the old version, why does NP still have that bottle and the "older" formula listed under the ingredients? Invalid Link Removed

The "newer" version was the one that was methylated, correct?
 
Also, I just searched for "ALRI Jungle Warfare" on Google to compare the different pictures and ingredients of the different websites selling the product, and every single one of them pictures the clear bottle with blue pills, BUT not one of them lists the 17-methyl formula as an ingredient except for BB.com. Instead, they all say ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-1,4,6-trien-3-one-17-ol) is the main ingredient. But isn't this the old ingredient?

And I found a couple sites that show a completely different label from the majority of the other sites, Invalid Link Removed

Why are so many different companies posting different pictures and information about the formula?
 
AM07 said:
Okay, thanks. Now I have another question. If the blue bottle is the old version, why does NP still have that bottle and the "older" formula listed under the ingredients? Invalid Link Removed

The "newer" version was the one that was methylated, correct?
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Almost all of the retailers on the net have the old bottle pictured with the old write ups. If you order from any of them then you will get the new version. I couldn't say for certain, but I suppose there isn't any new information being provided by ALRI for the online places to use or they just haven't bothered updating their info.. Newer version is 6-DMT, but that doesn't mean it significantly impacts liver functions as with other methyls.
 
slow, thanks for all of the information. So if someone is selling two bottles of the older version, what do you think is a good offer? Maybe $50 shipped?
 
AM07 said:
Also, I just searched for "ALRI Jungle Warfare" on Google to compare the different pictures and ingredients of the different websites selling the product, and every single one of them pictures the clear bottle with blue pills, BUT not one of them lists the 17-methyl formula as an ingredient. Instead, they all say ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-1,4,6-trien-3-one-17-ol) is the main ingredient. But isn't this the old ingredient?
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This where all of the confusion for this product lies. It took several months for the information provided to get out and nobody has any updated info. on their sites, but ALRI-
ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol A.K.A 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol) Many are aware of both the positive and negative physiological issues relating to the naturally occurring aromatase inhibitory ATD. Most of the benefits are the result of one of its physiological 17-OH metabolites. ADED is a natural non-androgenic metabolite of ATD with improved oral bio-availability. Please, do not confuse this with ATD itself as the difference is very important both in structure and action: Some may recall this one (Refering to the info that follows, not the compound itself) from our Ultra H.O.T.ter matrix but to recap…By modulating estrogen build-up the negative feed-back loop to the hypothalamus is put in check. The result is that the body optimizes natural testosterone production. We use our favorite aromatase inhibitor. One we feel is superior to the MATD we created for Ultra HOTter...(and the blood work with the logs on several boards agrees) to do this and it works pretty well to modulate, instead of obliterate, estrogen. So we still have the right amount of estrogen for optimal growth of lean tissue and positive libido, without the excess water weight and fat feeding aspect.
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AM07 said:
slow, thanks for all of the information. So if someone is selling two bottles of the older version, what do you think is a good offer? Maybe $50 shipped?
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That's a very fair offer considering what the product is. I personally would like to see something like that go for around $5-10 cheaper, but that's likely not going to happen, since its discontinued.
 
So the compound you posted, the ADED, is only in the new JW formula, correct?

Also, I would assume that since the JW I'm looking at expires in 10/08, it's safe to say it's definitely the older formula?

If someone were to eat around maintenance, what kind of gains could someone expect from the JW?
 
AM07 said:
So the compound you posted, the ADED, is only in the new JW formula, correct?

Also, I would assume that since the JW I'm looking at expires in 10/08, it's safe to say it's definitely the older formula?
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Yes, ADED(5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol) AKA 6-DMT(17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol)is the only one in the new formula. I'd like to see someone who has run both run to try the newer version again with Fast Action's Revive T, which is an MATD product. I'd like to see if that stack gave similar gains as the original version of Jungle Warfare. I'm not going to do it, but I'm just saying..............Yes, that is a bottle produced in '06 which was part of the original formula. I couldn't say for certain about the weight gains, but it should be a few lbs at least.
 
slowmun, thanks a lot for all of the help, you answered all of my questions very thoroughly. I'm going to try and work out a deal with that person selling it.
 
ok heres my take on this.. i ran around 6 weeks of the new ( red ) bottles dosed 4-6 caps a day and all i experienced from it was a crushed libido. im guna venture out and say there is no 6-dmt in here and whatever is in here sucks bigtime.

im also taking mass fx max strength which i am enjoying as well as just started restore ( hope its not 1ad or whatever ) and rpm/drive to try to fix my ****ed up hormone levels.
 
So, I saw the old bottle advertised, but will be receiving a new bottle. According to what was said a few posts up. That sucks. I worried about the libido issue, so I was trying to get my hands on the older stuff, but I think I should be fine when I run it since I'll have AI's CS and PCS, including Nolva.
 
honestly, with libido issues, just run a herbal test booster along side it or afterwards. It is not permanent.

I'll take jungle warfare's libido issues over safety issues with other designers any day.
 
Also too, I could be wrong, but it seems like everyone who had significant libido issues took more than the recommended dose (3 caps/ED), but this is just a general observance.
 
I hope it's the original formula that I receive. If not, then oh well. I'll do what I can with it.

It's hard to determine what formula the logs here cover.

If anyone has used the new formula, then I'd really like to hear about your experience. I'd appreciate it.
 
So the new formula has red pills, which is why it's called the red bottle? And this is the one that causes the libido issues?
 
ReaperX said:
loss of libido seems to be common with the red bottle. hm.
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Not really the case for me, the first few days my libido was CRAZY HIGH! It really took a dip for a couple of days lethargy also kicked in hard. But by the beginning of the second week libido shot up again to what I consider to be above average. Just as a precaution I dose up on Trib and maca on the weekends just in case, yes I am young, single, and in college, and stuff usually happens on the weekends if you know what I mean, I have to be prepared. With the trib, maca, and JW I cant even look at a picture of an attractive female without wanting to jump on her! lol! feels like im in middle school again!
 
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