I love AP! p-slin, not so much
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CHAPS
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Are you sure your eating enough carbs? I gave a buddy of mine both and he said the same thing, till i got him to eat more carbs with the P-slin, then he loved it, some ppl need more than others, 80-100g's with P-slin is what i'd say, though 60g's is fine for me, just experiment with it. AP gets you pumped on lower amounts 40g's and you feel full and mildly pumped. So ya don't write it off just yet.
OCCFan023
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Well the only thing I would suggest trying is wait more towards 1.5 hours to 1 hour and 45 minutes after taking in the carb sources. The complex carbs with the P-Slin take a while to digest and get you primed for the full effects of p-slin. I would try the bagel and banana at the above timing and see if it works any better (I know it can be difficult to nail down the timing but if you can afford to try it than it would be beneficial.)
OCCFan023
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Well AP and P-slin are similar supplements but for somewhat different "purposes," but I understand what you're saying. It's all about finding your sweet spot really because if you respond well to AP than you should be able to find a way to maximize P-Slin's potential for some killer workouts, recovery, and muscle vascularity/fullness.
Hope you find it man, and report back with the future trials.
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Remember AP and P-Slin only share one similiar ingredient and the other compound is AP is equally as important..
I like AP much better.
poopypants
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I feel I respond to them both GREAT.
A big thank you to Jacob and Mullet for trying out and giving out so many tips to maximize these already awesome supps. I have never got this much outta a single supp and bulk monohydrate. Im maintaining LBM dropping fat and gaining strength on slightly less then maintainance cals...... and I get to enjoy my carbs knowing they arent hurting my goals but furthering them!
A big thank you to Jacob and Mullet for trying out and giving out so many tips to maximize these already awesome supps. I have never got this much outta a single supp and bulk monohydrate. Im maintaining LBM dropping fat and gaining strength on slightly less then maintainance cals...... and I get to enjoy my carbs knowing they arent hurting my goals but furthering them!
tattoopierced1
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Pslin + cheerios works great for me. Might want to give that a shot, eating 3-4 cups of cheerios after your Pslin.
Mulletsoldier
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I've said this before, but P-Slin is the shotgun-one-shot-mamma jamma. In line with that, it takes longer to load, to recoil, and to utilize, but when you do it's a one-shot-kill.
AP, on the other hand, is like Jacob -quick and easy. It's faster to load, can be used quicker, and felt faster. The only thing with AP is that it takes 3 shots a day to get the job done.
So, you have to change your approach with each supp., because you're trying to kill different things. With AP, you're killing the everyday stubborn fat; with P-Slin, you're destroying the squat rack with unbridled non-stimulant energy. Obviously, you'll need different carbs (amount/types) and timing for each.
Do you normally eat before the gym, without P-Slin?
AP, on the other hand, is like Jacob -quick and easy. It's faster to load, can be used quicker, and felt faster. The only thing with AP is that it takes 3 shots a day to get the job done.
So, you have to change your approach with each supp., because you're trying to kill different things. With AP, you're killing the everyday stubborn fat; with P-Slin, you're destroying the squat rack with unbridled non-stimulant energy. Obviously, you'll need different carbs (amount/types) and timing for each.
Do you normally eat before the gym, without P-Slin?
Mickfootie
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Now i'm the other way Jacob. I like AP but when i dose the P-Slin twice a day it is great.
metroba
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Now i'm the other way Jacob. I like AP but when i dose the P-Slin twice a day it is great.
Twice a day? hmmm..sounds interesting.
OCCFan023
Registered User
Now i'm the other way Jacob. I like AP but when i dose the P-Slin twice a day it is great.
How come twice a day?
poopypants
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agreed, When I had two boxes of Pslin before I tried AP I was utilizing the twice ed dosing (breakfast and preworkout) and it was working GREAT.Now i'm the other way Jacob. I like AP but when i dose the P-Slin twice a day it is great.
I still prefer the two AP (sometimes 3) and one pslin (preworkout only) set up though, seems like it works just as well and by dosing this way both products last a little longer.
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I used P-Slin today to carb up (forgot how good it really is!). I'm on low carb AP/recreate fat incineration diet and strenght is going up, recovery is great, and I'm the leanest that I've ever been.
If there is demand, I will release my diet and steps with Pictures, but I need about 3 more weeks.
poopypants
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start taking pics now if you havnt already so we can all be impressed :thumbsup:
Are you utilizing the creatine monoyhdrate methods you guys have listed? I think thats a HUGE part of increasing strength on a deficit... that creatine is so well shuttled into the muscle cell that I feel my creatine is on par with many anabolics and not to mention IM MORE VASCULAR!!!! With the normal bloat associated with creatine mono its a very refreshing site to see veins poppin out everywhere and my muscles looking nice and defined.
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I'm about cycle creatine back in especially during picture time! Creatine just bloats the muscle full of ATP while keeping the skin nice and tight!
poopypants
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Im intersted in catching these pics now!!! should be some great efefcts with the creatine back in the mix... Think I jumped an immediate 5 or 6lbs when I started with the creatine mono (sure mostly water at first) I was able to solidify that and dropped creatine again without any effect on weight.
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the water is intracellular which is produces an extremely anabolic enviroment which everyone should want.
As for the pictures, I train for performance and jiu jitsu and not as a bodybuilder so do not expect ronnie coleman..ahah
poopypants
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I dont expect a thing... I dont think that a picture is as good alone as it is with a previous one though... So if you have some old pics to show progression Im sure the change is still mighty impressive.
I would love to run some poseidon slong side this stack, talk about putting your cells in a prime environment for building up.
Sapper564
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I prefer AP over P-Slin,
At first I was in LOVE with P-Slin but now I use AP as a regular :burger: and p-Slin occasionally
Mickfootie
Member
I wanted to see how effective it is on 2 doses daily so i gave it a go.
Very nice all day fullness and some excellent pumps and vascularity during workouts.
This is something i do occasionally just to give me some nice looking fullness overall.
But the AP and P-Slin is an excellent stack also which i go with when not doubling up the P-Slin.
OCCFan023
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I ordered 2 boxes of p-slin for my carbs ups but they haven't arrived yet so I'm sticking with 3-4 ap today. Yes, yes there is a demand for diet and training (how about a pre-picture workout diet tips for how your strength is going up.) I am plannning a ReCreate, RPM (in the early stages,) AP/-P-Slin for carb ups, Mono and maybe some supporting supps to finish this off but would love to see how your dosing/training for max fat loss/muscle retention.
I have been wondering about this. When you add back in the mono are you going to load it on your carb up days or will you still take it on low/no carb days? I know it doesn't "need" insulin/carbs to work but it is more effective. How do you go about it (I've been meaning to try mono with AP/P-Slin for a while (my strength is taking a hit with no carb.)
Sort of same question Poop. Is this the same method I saw Mullet suggest concerning the double load AP first then p-slin with mono and sipping on gatorade throughout the workout to carb load muscles an absurd amount? Or is this just taking Mono normally in conjunction with AP/P-Slin?
poopypants
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Thats what I had done most recently. I was taking the one AP in the morn, 1 AP with lunch and then pslin preworkout shake with creatine "melted" in water and the 1AP right before the workout and gatorade... worked as well as he said it would and is great for the post meal, feel it practically loading right into my muscles and am very pumped until I go to sleep.
I dunno If thats how Jacob plans on doing it though. I dont think that creatine will need much reliance on insulin anyways with AP since AP is an insulin mimetic but the carbs dont hurt still for loading more glycogen where you need it along with the ATP from the creatine.
OCCFan023
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Yea I'm curious how Jacob is using the Mono with the keto. I'm planning on doing the double method as soon as I'm finished with this cut (I think the combo will help me out a lot with the lasting pump I want those sunny beach days
.)Only other question is Mullet suggested AP with pre workout meal than p-slin on the way to the gym right before the Gatorade intake (and with 5 grams of mono.) Did you just want to switch it up? Have you tried it this way as well?
poopypants
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.... I saw him suggest the opposite in my AP post workout thread.... do you know where he posted that?Yea I'm curious how Jacob is using the Mono with the keto. I'm planning on doing the double method as soon as I'm finished with this cut (I think the combo will help me out a lot with the lasting pump I want those sunny beach days
Only other question is Mullet suggested AP with pre workout meal than p-slin on the way to the gym right before the Gatorade intake (and with 5 grams of mono.) Did you just want to switch it up? Have you tried it this way as well?
poopypants
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LUCY! You got some splainin to do!
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Ya I dunno, this is what he suggested to me.... maybe he can step in and let us know whats correct... maybe both work :think:
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Ya I dunno, this is what he suggested to me.... maybe he can step in and let us know whats correct... maybe both work :think:
OCCFan023
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Interesting post. I would assume that P-SLin with the larger pre meal would be the way to go, but than again I always hear people talking about how they respond well with a decent amount of faster acting carbs with P-Slin (which would make taking it with the Gatorade effective as well.)
Mullet?
Mullet?
Mulletsoldier
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I'm sorry, what's being asked?
I'm not entirely sure what Jacob's protocol is, they are different.
I'm not entirely sure what Jacob's protocol is, they are different.
OCCFan023
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For your recommendation of the double stack of AP/P-Slin with intra workout carbs (Gatorade) we were wondering if you take the P-Slin with the preworkout meal and then AP on the way to the gym or vice versa? You suggested both ways (assuming one was a typo) and just wanted to clarify which you suggested.
Mulletsoldier
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poopypants
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sounds good! Ill be trying this out later then when I start it back up.
bolt10
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Check out my log man i just updated w/ three different p-slin dosing times and my experiences. Let me know if you have any ?'s about how i explained it!