PLEASE Help :(

pianoboi2005

New member
I just stumbled across this site not too long ago. I have been trying to read different posts, but they all tend to run together for me so i figured i would post something myself and see what happens.

I have got to loose weight, i have gained a lot of weight in the last year and am just sick of it. I'm not familiar with much on supplements, trying to read about them and what not but gets confusing after a while.

I'm 26 6'3 about 250. About a year ago i was around 200 and would like to get back down there and need suggestions. After i get back down there then my goal is to start working out harder toget muscle definition and all that fun stuff, ....So, i need a starting place.

Currently i just started taking CLA and multi vitamins, not sure what else i should go for???

Any help would be great. oh and im also planning on doing like the abs diet meal choices and stuff like that.
 
Lol I always find it funny when people say "I don't want tons of muscles." I'm not calling you out or anything but believe me it won't happen if you don't train for many years and want to.

First off whats your diet like? If you have been reading thought the threads than you will find diet is 90% of what it takes to succeed, 9.5% is training, and .5% is supplements (not including hormonal stuff, but that is something you are not going to concern yourself with.)

Now what does your current diet look like (Macros, caloric total vs your BMR?) Honestly people think supplements will get them ripped up but they will be rendered useless unless you put the time into a solid nutritional program.

As of right now until we know more, a multi vitamin is all you really need (and the CLA is fine too.)
 
OCCFan023 said:
Lol I always find it funny when people say "I don't want tons of muscles." I'm not calling you out or anything but believe me it won't happen if you don't train for many years and want to.

First off whats your diet like? If you have been reading thought the threads than you will find diet is 90% of what it takes to succeed, 9.5% is training, and .5% is supplements (not including hormonal stuff, but that is something you are not going to concern yourself with.)

Now what does your current diet look like (Macros, caloric total vs your BMR?) Honestly people think supplements will get them ripped up but they will be rendered useless unless you put the time into a solid nutritional program.

As of right now until we know more, a multi vitamin is all you really need (and the CLA is fine too.)
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:goodpost:

I am kinda sick of you beating me to these posts to help people :mad:

Yea if you give us an idea of your diet we can help you play around with it to help maximize its effectiveness and your fat loss.
 
pianoboi2005 said:
I'm not familiar with much on supplements, trying to read about them and what not but gets confusing after a while.

I'm 26 6'3 about 250. About a year ago i was around 200 and would like to get back down there and need suggestions. After i get back down there then my goal is to start working out harder toget muscle definition and all that fun stuff, but i dont want TONs of muscles if you know what i mean....So, i need a starting place.
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This is going to sound so contrary to what you would think to hear on a supplement pimping message board.

You do not need any supplement to achieve your goals. You are overweight. A caloric deficit and or a combination of deficit and exercise will result in utilization and oxidization of excess body fat. NO supplement required.

My suggestion is that you begin now doing what I have bolded in the quote of your post above.

Simple compound exercises like bench press, bent rows, pull ups, squats, deadlifts, barbell curls etc etc combined with lots and lots of cardio will have you achieving your goals in no time. And the bonus is that you will have saved a lot of money in the mean time.

Start out with about 2200 calories a day, 200-250 grams of protein, no more than ~100grams of complex carbs (targeted around your workouts) and the balance of calories from EFA (olive oil, flax seed oil, fish oil).

Do 10-20 mins of cardio warm up prior to working out. Do 20-30 mins (or more) after your workout is comleted.

This is a very simple and basic place to start out. Do that for 6-8 weeks without fail and you will SURELY see 10-12lbs of fat loss with no trouble at all and no out of pocket cash.

Then, maybe then, think about SUPPLEMENTING your already solid diet and exercise plan.

Good luck!
 
bolt10 said:
:goodpost:

I am kinda sick of you beating me to these posts to help people :mad:

Yea if you give us an idea of your diet we can help you play around with it to help maximize its effectiveness and your fat loss.
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lmao! Man I have nothing else to do besides eat, lift, read, play video games, and most importantly hover over AM :D (at least until I get my summer job and my friends get home from college and of course go to school again lol).
 
B5150 said:
This is going to sound so contrary to what you would think to hear on a supplement pimping message board.

You do not need any supplement to achieve your goals. You are overweight. A caloric deficit and or a combination of deficit and exercise will result in utilization and oxidization of excess body fat. NO supplement required.

My suggestion is that you begin now doing what I have bolded in the quote of your post above.

Simple compound exercises like bench press, bent rows, pull ups, squats, deadlifts, barbell curls etc etc combined with lots and lots of cardio will have you achieving your goals in no time. And the bonus is that you will have saved a lot of money in the mean time.

Start out with about 2200 calories a day, 200-250 grams of protein, no more than ~100grams of complex carbs (targeted around your workouts) and the balance of calories from EFA (olive oil, flax seed oil, fish oil).

Do 10-20 mins of cardio warm up prior to working out. Do 20-30 mins (or more) after your workout is comleted.

This is a very simple and basic place to start out. Do that for 6-8 weeks without fail and you will SURELY see 10-12lbs of fat loss with no trouble at all and no out of pocket cash.

Then, maybe then, think about SUPPLEMENTING your already solid diet and exercise plan.

Good luck!
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BOOM. ^^listen to the man he speaks the truth.
 
OCCFan023 said:
If you have been reading thought the threads than you will find diet is 90% of what it takes to succeed, 9.5% is training, and .5% is supplements
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Am I the only one that sees how ironic it is that only .5% of the equation makes up 99.5% data base on this board?
 
B5150 said:
Am I the only one that sees how ironic it is that only .5% of the equation makes up 99.5% data base on this board?
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It's inevitable B when people are always looking for that extra edge both to blow through PRs but also be ahead of those around them (also not saying that I'm not a supp junkie like the others.) However I find also that the core of this board is at the point where supplements are very useful in our progress.
 
OCCFan023 said:
Lol I always find it funny when people say "I don't want tons of muscles." I'm not calling you out or anything but believe me it won't happen if you don't train for many years and want to.

First off whats your diet like? If you have been reading thought the threads than you will find diet is 90% of what it takes to succeed, 9.5% is training, and .5% is supplements (not including hormonal stuff, but that is something you are not going to concern yourself with.)

Now what does your current diet look like (Macros, caloric total vs your BMR?) Honestly people think supplements will get them ripped up but they will be rendered useless unless you put the time into a solid nutritional program.

As of right now until we know more, a multi vitamin is all you really need (and the CLA is fine too.)
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what diet plan do you guys recommend? oh and i took out that statement that made you guys laugh btw. my diet sucks and i know i have to work on it. do you guys like the abs diet approach that mens health takes? or south beach? neither?
different one?
 
pianoboi2005 said:
what diet plan do you guys recommend? oh and i took out that statement that made you guys laugh btw. my diet sucks and i know i have to work on it. do you guys like the abs diet approach that mens health takes? or south beach? neither?
different one?
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read B5150 recomendation.
its not about getting in a fad diet is about eating balanced and healthy
 
Yea like Zombie said follow B's suggestions and it will definitely start you off on a great foot for success. As you progress continue to research and understand what you need to do to reach your goals.
 
OCCFan023 said:
It's inevitable B when people are always looking for that extra edge both to blow through PRs but also be ahead of those around them (also not saying that I'm not a supp junkie like the others.) However I find also that the core of this board is at the point where supplements are very useful in our progress.
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I have been at this long enough to know that any supplement that I use is PURELY supplemental. Most if not all are staple health and wellness supplements anymore.

Additionally, I'm more of an active ingredient consumer rather than an OTC packaged and labeled product kind of consumer. Why by 30 days worth of something that is really overpriced (yup even at NP) when for equal or less the cost you can get 3 to 6 months worth of the actives. Again, these are most often staples of health and wellness.

I'm not anti-supplement at all. But I am just about willing to bet that for the majority the attention to detail and training that occur when one "cycles" a supplement are more responsible for the results achieved than the supplement itself.

I have used a lot of different stuff. I just got done dieting with lots of different goodies. Most of these goodies I have used many times before with decent results. This time around I decided to do cardio for a minimum of 1 hour a day 7 days a week. Sure as sh1t got better results than I EVER got from using those supplements before.

Additionally I think far too many younger lifters fall into the immediate gratification and results category. They buy this and that, to stack with this and that and they sweat over this and that and they have yet to step into a weight room or gym.

Lets face it; any 18-21yo who has never eaten right, never lifter right (I love the ones who say I have lifted on and off, or I was in great shape when I graduated HS...now there freshman in college), or never lifted at all, will get excellent results SOLELY from eating right, lifting right and plenty of cardio.

Lets face it...most the board is in that category. Unfortunately some guys would never lift again if they did not have steroids or supplements to use. And on that line of reasoning there would not be much going on on this board or any other if it were not a supplement pimping message board :)
 
B5150 said:
I have been at this long enough to know that any supplement that I use is PURELY supplemental. Most if not all are staple health and wellness supplements anymore.

Additionally, I'm more of an active ingredient consumer rather than an OTC packaged and labeled product kind of consumer. Why by 30 days worth of something that is really overpriced (yup even at NP) when for equal or less the cost you can get 3 to 6 months worth of the actives. Again, these are most often staples of health and wellness.

I'm not anti-supplement at all. But I am just about willing to bet that for the majority the attention to detail and training that occur when one "cycles" a supplement are more responsible for the results achieved than the supplement itself.

I have used a lot of different stuff. I just got done dieting with lots of different goodies. Most of these goodies I have used many times before with decent results. This time around I decided to do cardio for a minimum of 1 hour a day 7 days a week. Sure as sh1t got better results than I EVER got from using those supplements before.

Additionally I think far too many younger lifters fall into the immediate gratification and results category. They buy this and that, to stack with this and that and they sweat over this and that and they have yet to step into a weight room or gym.

Lets face it; any 18-21yo who has never eaten right, never lifter right (I love the ones who say I have lifted on and off, or I was in great shape when I graduated HS...now there freshman in college), or never lifted at all, will get excellent results SOLELY from eating right, lifting right and plenty of cardio.

Lets face it...most the board is in that category. Unfortunately some guys would never lift again if they did not have steroids or supplements to use. And on that line of reasoning there would not be much going on on this board or any other if it were not a supplement pimping message board :)
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Couldn't agree more with ya. AM is truly a wealth of info but 85-95% is dedicated to supplement information and product selling but I assume every other board online is exactly the same. I do rather enjoy the information on different substances/compounds.

I came in to this game oblivious to how to train or eat right and down right unhealthy (dropping mass weight unhealthily.) Best thing I ever did and to this day am so grateful for finding Bobo and FLA nutrition (and even though I had to work my ass off and save up 350 for it, best thing I have ever spent money on.) Gave me the best gains I have to date and a concrete foundation of training and nutrition.

Of course I will continue to use supplements (both retail and bulk) and will probably of course research PHs and so on when I'm older and feel I am ready, but without the background I gained from this board and other areas (and hopefully what I will get from college) I don't think I would ever reach a point where I would say I am ready to try the next level of training and supplementation.

Of course I see guys my age (and older ones) oblivious to nutrition and popping pills left and right but again that will forever be inevitable. Yet as long as I know I'm doing it right and not wasting money I will continue to truck on (and help anyone who wants it or will take it.)

I am just rambling on now, not really sure where I'm going with this. Overall without supplements a board like this wouldn't really be thriving or even up so thankfully the supplement market is strong and well :).
 
OCCFan023 said:
I am just rambling on now, not really sure where I'm going with this.
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Were you saying something? :rofl:

Overall without supplements a board like this wouldn't really be thriving or even up so thankfully the supplement market is strong and well :).
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The online retail industry and online message boards are symbiotic and mutually beneficial.

I would not have had the opportunity to influence and be influenced without this board. I grew my knowledge base somewhere else but am grateful and honored to share it when and where I can here at AM.
 
B5150 said:
Were you saying something? :rofl:

The online retail industry and online message boards are symbiotic and mutually beneficial.

I would not have had the opportunity to influence and be influenced without this board. I grew my knowledge base somewhere else but am grateful and honored to share it when and where I can here at AM.
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It's been awesome finding this board b/c people are for the most part really willing to help...I know I appreciate it a ton, and I'm sure many others really do too. A big thanks to all you guys that contribute and try to steer the large majority of the misguided lifting population in the right direction, myself included.
 
Man when I started my journey I had NO...and I mean absolutely ZERO idea on how/what to eat. B5150 is dead on with the amounts to eat. I must say though that when I first began grocery shopping and figuring stuff out, the absdietpower thing from Mens Health was extremely helpful for me. Never followed their diet, just took the foods they recommend plus good info like what the fine gents have already shared and got to it. That and alot of cardio works wonders.
 
In my experience, the most effective kind of diet (nutrition plan to achieve goals) is the kind that is simple. Simple most often leads to success. It realy really does not need to be as complicated or complex as some make it out to be. Start of simple and achieve success. Develop and customize your own plan from the foundation of your successful simple and basic plan.
 
B5150 said:
Lets face it; any 18-21yo who has never eaten right, never lifter right (I love the ones who say I have lifted on and off, or I was in great shape when I graduated HS...now there freshman in college), or never lifted at all, will get excellent results SOLELY from eating right, lifting right and plenty of cardio.
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definitely true. a little bit harder if you hit 40 never having done that, and overweight as all hell with no muscle mass (and low testosterone). but even then supplements don't give much more than the mental boost.
 
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