Speeding with clen at high rpm's

Speed321

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I am somewhat new to this board and want to jump right in.

I will be receiving clen and rpm in about 5-7days and wanted to log this as it will be my first time with stims stronger than ephedra.

Name:Lou
Age: 20
Weight:172
Current goals: Cutting down to 5-7% while maintaining strength.

Training shcedule: Mon-Shoulders/Trap/Cardio
Tues-Quads/Hams/Sprints (Morning Cardio)
Wed-Core/Calves/Cardio
Thurs-Chest/Bis/Forearms
Fri-Core/Calves/Cardio
Sat-Back/Tris (Morning Cardio)
Sun-Morning Cardio (Opt)

Current Supplements: Xtend/Bulk BCAA's, DTH, Levi Relaod, Ephedra, Green Tea, Mult, Fish Oil, Orotine, BA, Bulk Leucine
(before Morning Cardio), and Yellow Gold

Diet: 2350 cals/ 255g Protein/185g Carbs/60g Fats for wo days
2450 cals/255g Protein/210g Carbs/60g Fats for Morn cardio/wo days
2200 cals/255g Protein/145g Carbs/60g Fats
7 meals each day and all complex carbs w/ YG meals 3x ed and veggies with other meals

i will cont to use levi while using rpm and clen but not every day.
 
That is a lot of stims. You need to cut out something or your heart and BP will hate you.
 
well to be honest i really dont and the rpm is mostly for the days with morning cardio, i will take it before lifting later in the day. rpm will not be an everyday affair.
 
Have you used clen before? If not, try it solo at a low dose first. Then up it slowly to assess tolerance before you even think about adding RPM. I actually thought RPM shot my BP fairly high alone.
 
jas123 said:
Have you used clen before? If not, try it solo at a low dose first. Then up it slowly to assess tolerance before you even think about adding RPM. I actually thought RPM shot my BP fairly high alone.
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i have not used it b4. and i plan on using it solo for most of the cycle anyway. also i do have protocol(sp?) to follow for clen also.
 
Speed321 said:
i know 36 hrs. its much of a precation thing. if u look at boxmeman's log he is using clen with somedays as high as 9 rpm!
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Assuming his clen is legit, that is one of the worst and most irresponsible uses of clen I have ever seen.
 
Rodja said:
Assuming his clen is legit, that is one of the worst and most irresponsible uses of clen I have ever seen.
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hmmmm interesting analysis you have going here Rodja you dont even have a freaking clue what my dosage protocol is at all.... Im sure you have heard of tripdog? he uses clen preworkout!! man seriously....
 
boxmeman said:
hmmmm interesting analysis you have going here Rodja you dont even have a freaking clue what my dosage protocol is at all.... Im sure you have heard of tripdog? he uses clen preworkout!! man seriously....
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He's definitely heard of him because Rodja's part of the "Banana Death Squad". :twisted: :stick:
 
boxmeman said:
hmmmm interesting analysis you have going here Rodja you dont even have a freaking clue what my dosage protocol is at all.... Im sure you have heard of tripdog? he uses clen preworkout!! man seriously....
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I guess you don't understand the dangers of a long T 1/2 and P450 enzymatic inhibition in addition to other stimulants. Unless you are taking only 20-40mcg, which is a pointless dose for fat loss, then the clen will continue to build up in your system and the T 1/2 will be prolonged due to the P450 delay as well.
 
boxmeman said:
lol it was a rhetorical question obviously :toofunny:
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Does everything go over your head? Yes, that was me making fun of BDS. Why don't you stop quoting my posts because it doesn't turn out well for you.


Rodja's right. Play it safe with anything new that's powerful like clen. Why don't you post your protocol?
 
ok today was a good day overall
hit my macros of 2350/255/185/60

and did 3 sets of 12 for:
decline cruntches
reverse cruntches
side bends
4x20/20/15/15 calf raises (standing)
then had a terrible 30min run, my shin splints are getting bad!

still waiting on rpm and clen :(
 
Speed321 said:
ok today was a good day overall
hit my macros of 2350/255/185/60

and did 3 sets of 12 for:
decline cruntches
reverse cruntches
side bends
4x20/20/15/15 calf raises (standing)
then had a terrible 30min run, my shin splints are getting bad!

still waiting on rpm and clen :(
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good start man! Do you mean crunches? Ive never heard of cruntches...lol anyhow keep it up!
 
3-27-08
solid chest/bis wo
incline bench 12/10/10/8
flat db press 10/10/8
decline db press 10/10/10
incline fly 10/10/10
barbell curls 10/10/10
alt db curls 10/10/10
e-z bar reverse curls 10/10/8
barbell wrist curls 10/10/8

3-28-08
great-wo today
back/tris/rear delts
barbell rows 12/10/10/8 moved up weight
1 arm db rows 10/8/6 moved up weight
rear delt rows 10/10/10
deadlifts 10/10/10 moved up weight
close-grip bench 12/10/10/8
overhead barbell ex 10/10/8
bench weighted dips 10/failure

also i just got a bottle of psarm so i will start that tomorrow also and im currently out of ephedra so im now taking lg's speed and loving it, blows ephedra out of the water imo. my rpm came in today :), my clen will come next week :(.

im stoping levi reload now, i did feel it was ok but nothing like the reviews it gets, i was disappointed.

diet has been on these past 2 days and im loving it :)
 
Speed321 said:
3-27-08
solid chest/bis wo
incline bench 12/10/10/8
flat db press 10/10/8
decline db press 10/10/10
incline fly 10/10/10
barbell curls 10/10/10
alt db curls 10/10/10
e-z bar reverse curls 10/10/8
barbell wrist curls 10/10/8

3-28-08
great-wo today
back/tris/rear delts
barbell rows 12/10/10/8 moved up weight
1 arm db rows 10/8/6 moved up weight
rear delt rows 10/10/10
deadlifts 10/10/10 moved up weight
close-grip bench 12/10/10/8
overhead barbell ex 10/10/8
bench weighted dips 10/failure

also i just got a bottle of psarm so i will start that tomorrow also and im currently out of ephedra so im now taking lg's speed and loving it, blows ephedra out of the water imo. my rpm came in today :), my clen will come next week :(.

im stoping levi reload now, i did feel it was ok but nothing like the reviews it gets, i was disappointed.

diet has been on these past 2 days and im loving it :)
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Wow man nice stuff workout seems fairly similar to mine today hmmm:lol: Keep it up!
 
ok so far today i had a 30min morning cardio session (fasted)
10min warm-up
20min Hiit training with 20sec sprint and 20sec walk

i had
3 speed
1 psarm 30min B4
and drank 3g L-leucine 5-10min B4
and 3g L-leucine right after

ill update after my afternoon core/cardio session
 
update:
training:mon-shoulders/traps/cardio
tues-quads/hams/calves-Morn cardio
wed-Core/cardio
thurs-chest/bis/forearms-morn cardio
fri-core-cardio
sat-back/rear delts/tris-morn cardio
sun-morn cardio-opt
i do 3 exercises per big body part with 3 sets per exercise
i do 2 exercises per small body part with 3 sets per exercise
i do 3 core, 4 sets per
cardio varies as i go from HIIT/Slow Steady depending on how i feel and for variety
rest period between sets is 30-45 secs on most (60-90 on deads/squats/lunges/stiff-legged deadlifts)
each Lifting session is under 1hr, some go to 1 1/2 with the extra half hr being cardio (when i do that i will drink 3g leucine b4 running)

Diet:
lifting days w/ post wo running will be about 2450/265/205/55
morn cardio w/ lifting days will be about 2550/265/225/55
only cardio days will be about 2350/265/185/55
and off days will be about 2250/265/160/55
All carbs (not including veggies) will be with YG meals

Current supps:
LG SPEED
LG PSARM
GD DTH
NOW ADAM
BULK FISH OIL
BULK HOODIA 20:1
BULK CISSUS
BULK BA
SCI VATION XTEND/BULK BCAA
BULK LEUCINE (MORN CARDIO)
YELLOW GOLD

i will update later with actual wo setup and diet setup too.
 
update:
Shoulders/traps/cardio
overhead front press 4 sets 12(warm-up) 10/8/6
single arm db overhead press superset w/ 3 sets 10/10/10
single arm lateral raises 12/10/8
incline rear delt raises 10/10/10
DB shrugs 12/12/12 (4 reps front/4 reps side/4 reps back)
Cardio

Legs
Leg extensions 4 sets 40/30/20/10
squats 4 sets 15/12/10/8
1 leg barbell lunges 10/10/10 eaqch leg
Stiff-legged deadlifts 10/10/10
leg curls 20
1 leg calf raises 20/20/20
seated calf raises 15/15/15

chest/bis/forearms
incline db press 12(warm-up) 10/10/8
flat db press 10/10/8
incline fly 10/10/10
incline alt db curls 10/10/10
alt db curls 10/10/10
e-z bar reverse curls 10/10/8
barbell wrist curls 10/10/8

Back/rear delts/tris
Barbell rows 12(warm-up) 10/10/8
1 arm db rows 10/10/10
rear delt rows 10/10/10
deadlifts 10/10/8
decline close-grip bench 12(warm-up) 10/10/8
e-z bar overhead extensions 10/10/10
bench dips failure at about 10 1 set

Core (Day 1)
weighted Decline crunches 12x4
weighted reverse crunches 12x4
weighted side bends 12x4
(i rotate each week moving the first execrsise to be last and 2nd to be first)

core (day 2)
weighted reg crunches 12x4
weighted leg raises 12x4
weighted oblique crunches 12x4 each side
(i rotate each week moving the first execrsise to be last and 2nd to be first)
 
update:
core/cardio
weighted crunches- 4x12 with 85lbs
weighted leg raises-4x12 with 5lbs
weighted oblique crunches-4x12 with 35lbs
10min warm-up job
10min run (2miles)
10min HIIT (2miles)

2650cals/280g pro/245g carbs/50g fat

great run today, either the pSARM has already started or the extra 2g BA after abs and b4 cardio did it for me. i have a feeling that DTH + pSARM is gonna ROCK, im one day 1 of pSARM and day 16 of my first bottle of DTH (6 a day), im doing a full 2 bottle run of DTH and possibly a 2 bottle run of pSARM!

clen dosing for those who are wondering
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack (im prob gonna do 1,3-dimethylamylamine/speed/RPM)
 
Speed321 said:
great run today, either the pSARM has already started or the extra 2g BA after abs and b4 cardio did it for me. i have a feeling that DTH + pSARM is gonna ROCK, im one day 1 of pSARM and day 16 of my first bottle of DTH (6 a day), im doing a full 2 bottle run of DTH and possibly a 2 bottle run of pSARM!

clen dosing for those who are wondering
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack (im prob gonna do 1,3-dimethylamylamine/speed/RPM)
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Clen dosing looks good! Dth is great and Psarm should be fun!
 
Speed321 said:
update:
core/cardio
weighted crunches- 4x12 with 85lbs
weighted leg raises-4x12 with 5lbs
weighted oblique crunches-4x12 with 35lbs
10min warm-up job
10min run (2miles)
10min HIIT (2miles)

2650cals/280g pro/245g carbs/50g fat

great run today, either the pSARM has already started or the extra 2g BA after abs and b4 cardio did it for me. i have a feeling that DTH + pSARM is gonna ROCK, im one day 1 of pSARM and day 16 of my first bottle of DTH (6 a day), im doing a full 2 bottle run of DTH and possibly a 2 bottle run of pSARM!

clen dosing for those who are wondering
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack (im prob gonna do 1,3-dimethylamylamine/speed/RPM)
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that's a hell of alot of stims, and an impressive routine. are you hopeing for negitive % in body fat......lol
 
lennoxchi said:
that's a hell of alot of stims, and an impressive routine. are you hopeing for negitive % in body fat......lol
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naww he's trying gain LOTS of fat hahahaha he's def stepped up his game!! I've helped him intesify his cardio! He really aught to progress quite well!
 
thx guys my head is finally into this cardio stuff thx to box, ur da man!

shoulders/traps/cardio later today should deff be fun plus a complete typed out diet plan im going to go by
 
Speed321 said:
thx guys my head is finally into this cardio stuff thx to box, ur da man!

shoulders/traps/cardio later today should deff be fun plus a complete typed out diet plan im going to go by
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Im ready to see see that long awaited six pack!!!
 
3-31-08
shoulders/traps/cardio
-overhead press**80-12/95-10/105-8/115-6 (regaining lost strength quickly as this is a 20lbs jump form last week!)
-shoulder 1 arm db press superset w/**32.5-10/35-10/37.5-10 (also jumped 5lbs on this and it still felt pretty light)
-single arm lateral raises**12.5-12/15-10/17.5-8
incline db rear raises**15-10/15-10/15-10
-db shrugs (4front/4side/4back)**75-12/85-12/85-12
-cardio (10min warm-up)(2miles in 16min)(2miles in 13min)
great wo today im happy to be regaining lost strength this quickly while cutting, DTH+pSARm holds a lot of promise for me!!
 
4-1-08
morning cardio
10min warm-up
12min 1.5 miles
15min 1.5 miles
(i felt very gased this wo, it my be fasted but ive never been so tired i could not even sprint! i almost puked thx to leucine, ahhh...really tired and mad about this)

afternoon lifting (quads/hams/calves)
40/30/20/15-leg ex
15/12/10/8-squats
10/10/10-lunges
10/10/10-stiff leg deads
20/20/20-1 leg calf raises
(i only did the one calf ex this week bc all the running im doing as really made my calves sore)
i was very tired after this and realized my carbs are to low for my volume and intesisty of my training.
new diet numbers will look close to this
***lifting days
2615cals/280g pro/250g carbs/55g fats
***morning cardio+lifting days
2715cals/280g pro/275g carbs/55g fats
***days b4 i train with my friend (he works me on the running bad!!!hes a cross country runner so to say the least, it fast)
2915cals/280g pro/325g carbs/55g fats
***only cardio days
2515cals/280g pro/225g carbs/55g fats
***off days
2315cals/280g pro/175g carbs/55g fats
(im playing around with my diet a lil to find my sweet spot b4 i start clen)
 
4-2-08
core/cardio

decline crunches 35x12/45x12/55x12/55x12
reverse crunches 5x12/6x12/6x12/7x12
side bends 32.5x12/42.5x12/42.5x12/52.5x12
cardio:
10min warm-up .5 miles
1.25 miles in 10min
1.5 miles in 10min
(i felt really sick while running but my body and head was in it, to bad everytime i started really running i almost threw up! :( )

last day of lg speed (10 day run!!!) i felt speed did a great job of these last 10 days, i leaned up well and appitite was dead. overall good prod and will use use again in the future.

back to levi reload, till clen
 
4-3-08
chest/bis/forearms

**incline db press 30x12 warm-up/40x10/45x10/50x8
(felt good on this, i have a major chest inbalance so im using db to try and even myself out, any suggestions to fix this are welcomed)
**flat db press 40x10/45x10/45x8 (on the last set i wasnt getting a good feeling out of my right pec, the lacking one, so i stuck with that weight)
**incline flys 27.5x10/30x10/32.5x10
**incline alt db curls 17.5x12 warm-up/23x10/20x10/20x10
i also have a huge bi imbalance and i was suprised my left bi could not handle more weight, great ex tho)
**alt db curls 25x10/25x10/25x10
**e-z bar reverse curls 45x10/50x10/55x8
**e-z bar wrist curls 55x10/60x10/75x13

i lost a lot of strength when cutting before the holidays, even 135 flat bench was heavy, then i binged all holiday season and got fat again, lol. now here i am cutting again but trying to regain my strength and fix my muscle imbalances.
 
Speed321 said:
4-3-08
chest/bis/forearms

**incline db press 30x12 warm-up/40x10/45x10/50x8
(felt good on this, i have a major chest inbalance so im using db to try and even myself out, any suggestions to fix this are welcomed)
**flat db press 40x10/45x10/45x8 (on the last set i wasnt getting a good feeling out of my right pec, the lacking one, so i stuck with that weight)
**incline flys 27.5x10/30x10/32.5x10
**incline alt db curls 17.5x12 warm-up/23x10/20x10/20x10
i also have a huge bi imbalance and i was suprised my left bi could not handle more weight, great ex tho)
**alt db curls 25x10/25x10/25x10
**e-z bar reverse curls 45x10/50x10/55x8
**e-z bar wrist curls 55x10/60x10/75x13

i lost a lot of strength when cutting before the holidays, even 135 flat bench was heavy, then i binged all holiday season and got fat again, lol. now here i am cutting again but trying to regain my strength and fix my muscle imbalances.
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yea your still pretty thick like what 20%bf now :lol: Anyhow I'm ready to see you put some weight up!! Or become chiseled....
 
Oh $hit I forgot how you tried to bulk up on pure twinkies and donuts....You are a good 30%bf at the moment arent you?:toofunny:
 
4-4-08
Back/rear delts/tris
Barbell rows 12/10/10/7
one-arm-db rows 10/10/9
rear delt rows 10/10/10
deadlifts 10/10/7
decline close-grip bench 12/10/10/8
Lying Db skull crusher 10
overhead one-arm db ex 10/7
i was really bored this wo and had to tri deff try ex's or i would have just walked away, head was not in it at all.

on a better note i just finished reading some great training articles by Dr. Joe Klemczewski, and will utilize some of his methods to help increase strength and size during my cut. it will include alternating low rep weeks with mod-high rep weeks and deads and squats are also alternated week to week to allow full recovery and max potential.

Week 1
shoulders (low reps)
legs (high reps/front squats and not reg and high rep leg curls instead of stiff legged deads/walking DB lunges too)
chest/bis/forearms (high reps)
back/tris (low reps/ this week will include deadlifts)

Week 2
shoulders (high reps)
legs (low reps/reg squats/stiff legged deads/ barbell lunges)
chest/bis/forearms (low reps)
Back/tris (high reps with deads being replaced by long-bar rows and hyperextensions (sp?))

if u guys want i will post exact excersises and reps. since i will have track strength by every two weeks i will log all weights (i already do this on my own). this should allow good variety and progress.
 
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