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epistane pct

POST Cycle Support would be a great addition to your PCT. Like elscotto mentions, either life support or cycle support would be the way to go for liver support.
 
:goodpost: Also Sustain Alpha etc will work a treat:

Most Importantly!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

SERM + P.C.T Guide

Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.

1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

Example Torem Dosing: - Invalid Link Removed
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem

Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday

I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or I have used: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended)

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

3. AI - Formestane(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or have used the following: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

Things To Note

1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT
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3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: Invalid Link Removed

4. Real Gynomastia Before & After's:


5. Love your Liver!
 
i will dose my toremifine at:
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

If i understand right i will start taking my formestane at the same time i start my toremifine and what would the dosing be on that?


ive heard that life support isn't as potient as cycle support i want to go with the life support so would getting some milk thistle help/make sense even though life support has that in it and i am going to take PCS during my pct as well am i leaving anything out of my cycle?
 
Search for the Neoborns formestane faq. Low dose and then ramp up as you ramp down your SERM.
 
so here is what i'm going to go with:

epi
week1: 10/20mg
week2: 30mg
week3:30mg
week4:30mg

i really don't want to go past 30mg to try to keep sides to a min. i'll be taking life support, multi vit., milk thistle

post cycle

toremifine

days 1-3 120mg torem., 200mg 6-oxo, days 4-7 90 mg torem., 300 mg 6-oxo
week2 60 mg torem., 500 mg 6-oxo
week3 60 mg torem., 500 mg 6-oxo
week4 30 mg torem., 600 mg 6-oxo
week5 600 mg 6-oxo
week6 500 mg 6-oxo
week7 400 mg 6-oxo
week8 300 mg 6-oxo
Ill be taking 2 caps PCS throughout pct
 
:thumbsup: Might be a bit too much overkill on the 6-oxo depending on how hard it crushes estrogen. I would maybe low dose it later into the cycle and ramp 2 or so weeks in.
 
i have a buddy that just ran a cycle of epi and thats what he went with i just want the approval of you guys i appericate all the help i've recieved here at am I've learned alot and i didn't want to rush in to a cycle but i think i'm ready and everything should be coming in within the next coule of days
 
problem887 said:
so here is what i'm going to go with:

epi
week1: 10/20mg
week2: 30mg
week3:30mg
week4:30mg

i really don't want to go past 30mg to try to keep sides to a min. i'll be taking life support, multi vit., milk thistle

post cycle

toremifine

days 1-3 120mg torem., 200mg 6-oxo, days 4-7 90 mg torem., 300 mg 6-oxo
week2 60 mg torem., 500 mg 6-oxo
week3 60 mg torem., 500 mg 6-oxo
week4 30 mg torem., 600 mg 6-oxo
week5 600 mg 6-oxo
week6 500 mg 6-oxo
week7 400 mg 6-oxo
week8 300 mg 6-oxo
Ill be taking 2 caps PCS throughout pct
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Looks good!

Let us know how it goes.


CROWLER
 
will do like i said it should be coming in within a week or two i actually paid with a money order and i haven't got my conformation yet but i have my epistane i just want to get everything i need even for pct before i start
 
problem887 said:
will do like i said it should be coming in within a week or two i actually paid with a money order and i haven't got my conformation yet but i have my epistane i just want to get everything i need even for pct before i start
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thats a wise decision to hav ur pct before u run ya cycle hope all goes well:bb3:
 
Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 3 capsules
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
6-OXO (4-etioallocholen-3, 6, 17-trione) 300mg *

So 1 cap is 100mg

cheers!
 
Keep us updated! That PCT looks great though for sure. Where did you get that toremifene dosing scheme? I only ask because I had been advocating that exact scheme for some time now. A lot of people said 120mg through the entire first week but I never saw a reason to when taking orals for a few weeks. Maybe on a long 12-16 weeker of test and something else but not of these smaller oral cycles.
 
i got it from a buddy of mine thats what he ran his at...... One more question does pcs support liver or take life support through pct too?
 
neoborn said:
:thumbsup: Might be a bit too much overkill on the 6-oxo depending on how hard it crushes estrogen. I would maybe low dose it later into the cycle and ramp 2 or so weeks in.
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I agree. I'd drop the 6-oxo till week 4 and taper it down. THe Torem will be plenty for estrogen control up front plus you are running PCS. You need some estrogen to help keep your gains ...
 
problem887 said:
so what be a good dosae on the 6-oxo starting week 4
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4/3/2/1 caps. That way you will control the estrogen so it doesn't rebound on you but by tapering you will let it come back at a slower rate and give the body time to equalize all your hormones or get back to homeostasis ...
 
ive been reading around and reading how other ppl are running theres and i have a case of gyno and if i run it at this is it going to make it worse or get better?
 
problem887 said:
ive been reading around and reading how other ppl are running theres and i have a case of gyno and if i run it at this is it going to make it worse or get better?
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It should make it better but I am not a doctor and I don't know how you will respond to these compounds.
 
hello,

I have been researching alot about my pct for epistane. I have nolvadex on hand and triboxo.

I understand that formestane is recommended for AI but i was wondering if triboxo could work instead of it or is triboxo more of a test booster?

I was thinking:

Nolvadex
1st week:40/40/40/30/30/20/20
2nd week:20 everday
3rd week:10 everyday
4th week:10 everyday

cycle support (milk thistle + liv52 + NAC)
1st week:2 caps everyday
2nd week:2 caps everyday
3rd week:2 caps everyday
4th week: 2 caps everyday
(and i think i would still keep using them on the 2nd month just in case)

Now with Triboxo i have no idea how the dosages should look like. Should I start up small then work my way up? or should i keep it steady?

A problem with me is that I live in Canada and it is hard for me to get some of the things that are recommended. I would like to use what i have instead of buying more things but if it is better to get some things, lemme know.

Any suggestions would help. Thanks.

EDIT**: Triboxo supplement facts: pvldirect.com/products_hctriboxo.html#nutrition
 
Really cannot honestly help with the triboxo as I do not know much about it. Your pct looks good do not think you need to start at 40 for the 1st few day 20/20/10/10 should be fine. Good luck bro. Alittle confused about the Cycle Support 2 caps as it is in powder form do you mean Life Support?
 
thanks man, so should i run:
1st week: 20
2nd week:20
3rd week: 10
4th week:10
for nolva?

and sorry bro, what i meant to say about cycle support is that im going to use liv52 + milk thistle and NAC. I'm not talking about "cycle support" the product. Now I was wondering if a serm would be fine by itself for my pct? there is alot of debate to add an ai. i know it is recommended but i cant really find a good ai that can ship to my part of canada. If i do find an ai suitable is it alright to add it into my PCT in week 2?
 
imprintz said:
thanks man, so should i run:
1st week: 20
2nd week:20
3rd week: 10
4th week:10
for nolva?

and sorry bro, what i meant to say about cycle support is that im going to use liv52 + milk thistle and NAC. I'm not talking about "cycle support" the product. Now I was wondering if a serm would be fine by itself for my pct? there is alot of debate to add an ai. i know it is recommended but i cant really find a good ai that can ship to my part of canada. If i do find an ai suitable is it alright to add it into my PCT in week 2?
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Yes that Nolva dosing would be correct. Sorry I misunderstood your post about cycle support. IMO a AI is not a must do for a epi pct nolva should be fine. Good luck bro.:)
 
sorry to pick your brains again but i was wondering when i should take the nolva? i've read that the best time to take it is near bedtime. is my assumption correct? and if i shouldn't take it at night should i space it out during the day.

thanks.
 
imprintz said:
sorry to pick your brains again but i was wondering when i should take the nolva? i've read that the best time to take it is near bedtime. is my assumption correct? and if i shouldn't take it at night should i space it out during the day.

thanks.
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That would be correct.:)
 
I keep hearing to have nolva "on hand." what does this mean?

i have inhibit E and a natty test boost - should I not use these and only use the nolva, or only use nolva if problems come up, thanks
 
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