easy killer trying to teamup on my intelligence ain't kool nor is it mature, on that note yohimbine is used for several things but if u don't think taking a product like cold fusion post workout makes sense then don't take it I believe on the label it says it can be taken pre and post, I take it post because it does make me hypo and it ain't kool to get hypo while trying to lift big. Also I believe in creatine more post workout than b4, my logic may not make sense to u2 but my results sure make sense to myself and those around me, cf is not an no explode, its not loaded with caffine, tons of tyrosine, synephrine blah blah blah. and I am so sorry if I lost u with my simple answers. but hey look maybe u hulks know somthin that I don't I mean shyat I've been a member longer than u guys and I don't have nearly half the posts u guys have.......I must be so misinformed, or maybe I listen more than I speak, hhhhmmmmmmm. I wonder ware do I get my wild ideas from.