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Cissus-Drol, yeah ouch.

ReaperX

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I've been on Cissus-Drol for only a few days after my X-Factor cycle and my joints are raw as fizzuck.

My shoulders feel like the Sahara Desert with a shltload of sand in them. My knuckles feel the same way.


Is this normal and does it go away ? I'd hate to stop this so early, but I can't keep working out when I feel like the rusted Tin Man.



hugs and kisses,

xoxoxox

-ReaperX
 
What is Cissus-Drol? Those aren't really characteristics of Cissus Q., that you're mentioning. But, I think you meant that specific product.
 
Cissus-Drol is a Hyperdrol clone made by Generic Labz.


I should have probably mentioned that b/c ppl might not be familiar with that clone.
 
6-bromo is a much more aggressive AI than 6-OXO from what I understand. 6-OXO also took awhile before I actually had 'dry joints', but 6-Bromo worked much more aggressively and faster. I'm quite shocked.
 
Some of Cissus' anti-inflammatory and reparative actions on bone are mitigated through positive phytoestrogenic action. Putting Cissus with an AI is counterintuitive.
 
ReaperX said:
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Mulletsoldier said:
Some of Cissus' anti-inflammatory and reparative actions on bone are mitigated through positive phytoestrogenic action. Putting Cissus with an AI is counterintuitive.
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The most beneficial plant sterols extracted from Cissus have positive estrogenic effects. Luckily, they have a low binding affinity to Estrogen receptor-types expressed in breast tissue, and a high binding affinity to those expressed in bone tissue. IMO, having an estrogenic regulator with Cissus is somewhat counterintuitive.
 
It is the same stuff as Anabolic Xtreme's Hyperdrol X2, except I think Anabolic Xtreme's version is probably better.
 
Well, I dunno what to do. I should try Anabolic Xtreme's version next time. Plus with Cissus-Drol I have no idea the amount of 6-bromo in it.
 
never noticed the cissus on the label there before, but you are right. I've never used it either, keep meaning to.
 
it is pretty aggressive in terms of AI. You could probably easily just PCT with HyperdrolX2 instead of buying aPCT.
 
I'm about two weeks into this, on the standard dose, and I'm quite enjoying it. It's got 6bromo from HyperdrolX2 in it (comparable dose), as well as some of the ingredient(s) from MassFX, as well as Cissus. I'm currently cutting and doing a lot of high intensity cardio and this has made a massive difference to my weight training.

I'm not sure it would be a good supplement for bulking, but for cutting it's certainly doing its job for me. I'm keeping a log over on Muscletalk if you care to have a butchers; Invalid Link Removed
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Some of Cissus' anti-inflammatory and reparative actions on bone are mitigated through positive phytoestrogenic action. Putting Cissus with an AI is counterintuitive.
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okayyy....counterproductive....thats a more reader friendly word...im pretty sure you mean the same thing so give us a break. we already know how smart you are college boy.
 
reaper have you ever used cissus before?


my assumption would be that the 6bromo dose in cissus-drol is a small one compared to hyperdrol.

is your conclusion based solely on the way your joints feel? That doesnt seem accurate at all especially when you dont know how much 6bromo you are taking to compare to the doses of 6oxo you took previously.
 
counterintuitive and counterproductive are not one in the same. In mullets second post counterproductive would have been the better choice of words, but we get the point so the arguement is moot at best
 
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counterintuitive and counterproductive are not one in the same. In mullets second post counterproductive would have been the better choice of words, but we get the point so the arguement is moot at best
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No, it was deliberate and the right choice. Different things were meant each time.
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erm i meant 3rd lol but like i said before...I think this is a first ive seen a thread derailed based on a literature lesson in this forum lol
 
pistonpump said:
LOL. im just messing with you MS.
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Ahh, I thought you were serious. I was like "screw you Hilo Boy".

Reaper:

Maybe just give Hyperdrol a try. I've heard these reports with 6-Bromo, and they are not common characteristics of any % extract of Cissus Q.,
 
Mulletsoldier said:
The most beneficial plant sterols extracted from Cissus have positive estrogenic effects. Luckily, they have a low binding affinity to Estrogen receptor-types expressed in breast tissue, and a high binding affinity to those expressed in bone tissue. IMO, having an estrogenic regulator with Cissus is somewhat counterintuitive.
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interesting.....
 
mullet, i think the cissus was added for its purported anabolic effects rather than joint repair. i agree, a joint repair product and an AI together is both counterintuitive and counterproductive. :)
 
pistonpump said:
reaper have you ever used cissus before?


my assumption would be that the 6bromo dose in cissus-drol is a small one compared to hyperdrol.

is your conclusion based solely on the way your joints feel? That doesnt seem accurate at all especially when you dont know how much 6bromo you are taking to compare to the doses of 6oxo you took previously.
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Yes, I used cissus back last year in July 2007. I ordered 2 bottles of Super Cissus RX and after the 2 bottles my joints felt tremendously better as I was suffering from ridiculous joint pain. At the same time I stopped training like Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman from watching those stupid videos on bb.com.

So, it is subjective is cissus actually worked for my joints, or if my 50+ sets was what worked for my joints. At any rate, since that incident, I have not had any joint pain at all. Hopefully I never do again in my life.


I'm not sure how Cissus-drol compares to HyperdrolX2. Hyperdrol is 4 caps. Cissus Drol is 3 caps, then again their 6-bromo amount is propriety blend.

I have 3 bottles of Cissus-drol. The first bottle I bought the caps came underfilled and the majority of the capsules has like 1/2-3/4 powder in them.

So I contacted generic labz and they sent me 2 extra bottles at no cost. There are still caps that I can see through the bottle that are still underfilled. There is probably some quality control issues.

Next time I might just try Hyperdrol instead. Unless their caps come half filled too....haha.
 
Easy-


I just took some glucosamine and lowered the dosing by 1 cap. My joints feel 100% better now.
 
So far I can't say anything actually negative about it. I am cutting (like the other guy here) and my strength has maintained quite well.

Plus there is no liver toxicity or PCT.


Cissus-Drol is roughly $35.00
HyperdrolX2 is roughly $50.00

.........hm
 
How many caps per day are you on?

4 ( 200mg ) is too much for me. 3 seems about right but if I feel like I am drying out I might drop to 2 for a few days.

Next month Im going to run HX2 + MassFX2 ( 3 caps each ED ).

I still think the best stack Ive ever run was Rebound Reloaded and original Activate, but they dont make either any longer. I had serious strength gains on that stack.
 
I'm using 3 caps of Cissus-Drol each day. Not really sure how much 6-bromo I'm getting.

My face is constantly oily and I'm breaking out in pimples.

If I try HyperdrolX2 then I'll probably try 3 caps at first as well.

I've got this sexy non-whoremonal stack going on right now:


T-Force: 3 caps/ED
Cissus-Drol: 3 caps/ED
Diesel Test Hardcore: 6 tablets/ED


I'm leaning out pretty decently and my strength has stayed fairly consistant despite being cal. defic.


I like T-Force as well and I think I will buy it again when I run out.
 
ReaperX said:
I'm using 3 caps of Cissus-Drol each day. Not really sure how much 6-bromo I'm getting.

My face is constantly oily and I'm breaking out in pimples.

If I try HyperdrolX2 then I'll probably try 3 caps at first as well.

I've got this sexy non-whoremonal stack going on right now:


T-Force: 3 caps/ED
Cissus-Drol: 3 caps/ED
Diesel Test Hardcore: 6 tablets/ED


I'm leaning out pretty decently and my strength has stayed fairly consistant despite being cal. defic.


I like T-Force as well and I think I will buy it again when I run out.
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that's a lot of test boost:squat:

good to hear your joint problems stopped. do you think they might have been some sort of lingering effect from the x factor, or are you pretty certain it was the bromo?
 
warnerve said:
that's a lot of test boost:squat:

good to hear your joint problems stopped. do you think they might have been some sort of lingering effect from the x factor, or are you pretty certain it was the bromo?
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I feel better on a test booster. Not just in my head, but even if I used Diesel Test solo I still just feel better all around, I use it like a multi vitamin.


I'm not really sure if it was the x-factor or 6-bromo. It happened very suddenly, and I noticed it the most in my delts (front) and knuckles.


It seems to be gone for now.
 
I wasted a good 2-3 years training for nothing. Between the whole IFBB Pro training regiments and poor quality information, lots of time was wasted.

I picked up on the diet fairly quick, but the training took awhile, esp. doing it correctly and effectively.


One of the biggest breakthroughs I've had was bench press.


I keep my pointer fingers either at the rings of the bar or outside. Using a fairly wide grip and lowering the bar to the base of my neck vs. bottom of pecs has brought up my chest tremendously.

I used to for the longest time put my pinkies on the ring or even inside the ring and lower to the bottom of the pecs. Great for working the triceps and ego, but did nothing for pecs. One of my friends still uses this technique and I stopped suggesting trying something different, as he is more worried about the 'weight' he is pressing.
 
Just watch your shoulders bringing the bar that far up in the hole. A good technique is bringing it a little lower than that and extending up and through to that position at the top. Besides, you don't want to fail and drop the weight on your neck.
 
Cissus-drol has been working great for me so far. The joint pain went away and it is cheaper than Hyperdrol. Strength gains are up despite cutting.


Definitly worth a try.
 
are you back at the regular dosage? If so, do you think this means the joint pain was attributable to x factor? I wanna use x factor soon, but I have a nagging discomfort in my right shoulder that pops up
 
warnerve said:
are you back at the regular dosage? If so, do you think this means the joint pain was attributable to x factor? I wanna use x factor soon, but I have a nagging discomfort in my right shoulder that pops up
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I was doing Cissus-drol at 4 caps/ED which proved to be slightly too much. I am down to 3 caps/ED, my libido is up, I got random spot of acne on my face that is irritating, but other than that my strength gains/recovery has been great.


The recovery/strength gains have been 2 things that I tremendously notice. I think my recovery has gotten better as I continue to train. When I first started I'd need a very long period of time before I could hit the gym again or else I'd wind up overtraining. My strength gains have been slow to gain as well. This of course is all-natural with no anabolics of any type.


I am not really sure what the shoulder injury was all about. I didn't do any new routines in my workouts and the shoulder pain occured after x-factor was completed.

If I had to guess I'd say I just took too much Cissus-drol and crushed my estrogen a bit too much. My libido also dropped @ 4 caps a day, but is quite high at 3 caps a day.


It is all about finding the right dose I suppose.

I saw that some guy was taking 6 caps/ED in a log. That is a bit much for me.
 
You probably want to be weary about both x-factor and 6-bromo based if you have joint issues.


x-factor for increased inflammation
6-bromo for estrogen reduction
 
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