Activate Xtreme vs. Diesel Test Hardcore
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Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Since my product has a write up that explains the exact reason why each compound is used in the formua (which is then backed by science) people will know that Rhodiola is not in the formula to boost test.
Instead of having people take my product to have it compared to yours, you should have people run bloodwork and post the results of those test (which I have already done). That will show how effective your product is at boosting test. Then you can sell it based on its own results instead of trying to say its better then someone elses.
ACTX is the best because the science, feedback, results and actual bloodwork (of it being used standalone and the current formula) show it to be. Not just because I say so.
ReaperX
Well-known member
I agree. The only way to settle this is to take pre/post bloodwork and compare the difference between baseline test. and post product test. This means that THE SAME PERSON needs to do pre/post, meaning getting blood drawn 4 times. (twice for each product). There's no point in comparing 2 different people as there is too much genetic variation.
Anything else is all arbitrary and 'Dude, I got jacked'. (i.e. irrelevant and worthless).
Anything else is all arbitrary and 'Dude, I got jacked'. (i.e. irrelevant and worthless).
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Exactly.
nunes
Well-known member
forget about it , chuck will never accept that...
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Thats the only way to actually show how each product would compare.
bolt10
Well-known member
i agree with this fully
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
I asked for result driven comps and lab work. I made the rhodiola comment because you keep posting that Maca doesnt increase testosterone. If you read the diesel test hardcore write up you will see I never said it does.
I dont sell DTH by saying its better than actx. Im doing this because DS reps are always posting actx is the best herbal test booster out, then pasting like 10-20 links to logs every single time someone ask whats a good test booster.
Link me to some standalone blood work on actx where someone wasnt in PCT that shows any sig. increase in total test and free test......I just want to see it for my own personal reasons.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
I didnt say lets not do that. I said people make buying decisions and "if this product is better than that one" on the results they see. People dont evaluate creatine products on blood work of ATP levels, they evaluate them on the results they see in the gym. People dont evaluate how "energy" products work by blood work on dopamine, and adrenaline levels they eval. them on how the product works. So I dont see why rule out result driven comps. We can do the "paper work" comp also. Its just harder to get people to do lab work because they have to pay for it.
interrupt
New member
That maybe true... I just gained 10 lbs and a sh** load of strength in a month in a half using in addition to a whole lot of BCAA, food some AX and Size On. I've NEVER been this heavy or strong while just on creatine and eating till I couldn't eat no more!!!!
Would you say this is placebo???
nunes
Well-known member
no, but a lot of ingredients on the supps you`re posting have a lot of scientific studies that prove they work not the contrary, lol
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Did I say that DTH doesn't do SOMETHING? No I did not. I'm saying that raising test isnt supported by anything scientific. There is going to be more than 1% of people that dont want to buy a product that isnt supported by evidence by its own company. I am not ignorant on the subject, or you wouldnt be doing your damndest to try and validate yourself and your product to me and the rest of AM.
This is over, debating with you is like putting pockets on a jock strap, it's useless.
Chuck Deisel said:
As for that, I was only responding to your stupid a*s comment you made prior to mine there turbo. A comment I made to another person.
Adams
DAdams91982
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Lastly, I notice you jump into other companies forums (SSE) and pretty much ask them for the science in their new formula, yet you will not discuss your own. :think:
Adams
Adams
interrupt
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First learn how to spell. Second I don't care what you think. When all is said and done, the bottom line is results... safe results that is what I as a consumer is most concerned with.
I've seen products that have all kinds of "write-ups" and "scientific" reasons to why their stuff works... most of the gibberish in the data doesn't mean a thing to your average joe-blo. Sometimes I think you need a damn masters degree just
to decipher some of the statements that are made in those write-ups.
WHILE it looked good on paper, the sh** didn't do a damn thing for results!!!! (methoxy) If placebo is so proven, why doesn't it work for all the bunk sh** that don't do a damn thing??
An honest question mind you... Going by that logic, EVERY supplement ever produced would have "worked" because of the placebo effect...
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
What, are you the grammar police? The rest of the post is just drivel. I SAID EARLIER. If you want to shell out a ton of money for something you think is working, that is no skin off my back.
Paying an exhorbiant amount for a product is going to make that person try to get all he can out of that product. So while he is kicking it up a notch, he is thinking, "Man, I added 2.5 pounds on my deadlift, this stuff must be what the Gods were taking."
Adams
EasyEJL
Never enough
its funny how true that is even for use with steroids for some people. they really clean up everything, get scientific with their diet + workout routine, track everything thoroughly to get the most out of the cycle. And then get sloppy off cycle. I wonder what sort of progress they would make if they put in the same level of control year round
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
You dont have a write up that explains why you use Maca and you REFUSE to answer any questions about your products ingredients.
DS reps post that ACTX is the best because it is and Ive already explained to you why that is.
Here is some blood work:
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Activate Xtreme Blood test after approx 10 days use
Theguvner:
This is gonna shock you =) My doctor asked if I was taking Androgens lol.
Readings are as follows, and I will post a pic of the readout. I had to take it on a mobile phone due to not having a scanner at the moment.
FSH : 5 IU/L (Normal range <7)
LH : 6.5 IU/L (Normal range <7)
OEST : <100 pmol/L (Normal range <150)
CORTISOL : 340 nmol/L (Normal PM Range 100-400nmol/L)
TEST : 43 nmol/L!!! (Normal range 8.3-29)
Wooooot!! Pretty damn happy about this as only a few months ago I got the test done and my Test was only around 12-15 which is pretty low. ---------------------------------------------------
Dana Houser, MD, MHSA, CISSN
Total: 516 ng/dl 438ng/dl
Free: 22.7 pg/ml 28.2pg.ml (out of high end range)
SHBG: 13.62 mmol/L 9.73 mmol/L (out of low end range)
E2: < 30pg/ml 30pg/ml
E1: 18 14
DHEA-S: 286 mcg/dl 292mcg/dl
DHT: 61 96
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Test subject 3a.
Baseline
Total Testosterone: 269 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 18.1 pg/ml
Estrogen: 236 pg/ml
Post
Total Testosterone: 430 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 24.3 pg/ml
Estrogen: 176 pg/ml
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Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Hmmm are we seeing a pattern here.
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Sixpack BB.com:
Day 23- Chest/Core
Well today I had not DOMS at all really at all after Leg day which is very odd but its also nice in a way. I will say in the past 3 days libido has been up a great deal and I will declare this the 'BEST' libido enhancer or whatever you want to call it i have taken . I am not going to get technical cause I am not a technical person or know the scientific stuff about it. I will let the DS crew handle the reason why this is so much better then Ejaculoid, DT, Tribulus etc, I have also take 6oxo and this is far better then any of the above. Not only cause libido but how I feel, sleep patters, recovery .
Day 23- Chest/Core
Well today I had not DOMS at all really at all after Leg day which is very odd but its also nice in a way. I will say in the past 3 days libido has been up a great deal and I will declare this the 'BEST' libido enhancer or whatever you want to call it i have taken . I am not going to get technical cause I am not a technical person or know the scientific stuff about it. I will let the DS crew handle the reason why this is so much better then Ejaculoid, DT, Tribulus etc, I have also take 6oxo and this is far better then any of the above. Not only cause libido but how I feel, sleep patters, recovery .
interrupt
New member
No I'm not the grammar police!! It seems to me that you are quick to respond to comments before thinking them through.
You know a person(s) usually dismisses comments or statements as nonsense or childish when they can't provide an intelligent response to those comments or statements. Criticizing is another
culprit to a persons lack of knowledge on a question or comments.
So tell me man if placebo is proven WHY doesn't it work for all the bunk supplements that has come and gone over the years??? And btw for the record, I like the AX.. I HOPE that the AX had SOMETHING to do with the gains I've made over the last two months and that it wasn't just me THINKING it did because it has great science behind it that proves that it works...
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
I think you are putting words in my mouth, that I never said. I said nothing about placibo's OTHER than I will sell you some. You took BCAA's and AX (I assume you are meaning Activate), where is the lacking science there? And I DID respond to your placibo thing, if you read what you just responded to. Apparently I just begged your question though. There are many out there that believe in methoxy, in fact some of the new cutting edge supplements out now are reevaluating it.
I have plenty of pertinent responses for you, you just need to ask worthwile questions that aren't so generalized. Every person is different, you can find good and bad for EACH product out. Because some dial in when they dose, and some sit on the couch thinking the newest and greatest supplement is exercise in a d@mn bottle.
Adams
interrupt
New member
I agree! So Chuck time to back up all those claims that your product works. And DS time to provide some RESULTS to back-up all that science your company claims worked for me!!!
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Im lost what do you want from DS?
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
HAHAHAA:run:
DAdams91982
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interrupt
New member
I agree with ReaperX. As an intelligent consumer, i'd like for both companies to provide some proof as to why I should buy their stuff... no biases no BS. I still have a half a bottle of AX in my cabinet and just taken my morning dose not to long ago...
I work hard for my cash and would like to know that the stuff i'm paying for is doing what it says!!!
Are you unlost now???
And no I don't want anything free from nobody!!! Both companies should provide unbiased testing of their product. I would think or HOPE that the companies in question have honesty and integrity
and provide sound PROOF that their product is the real deal.
nunes
Well-known member
man , no offense but you`re changing your statements since your first post, and you show no knowledge enough to make statements like you did( creatine and bcaa -no scientific studies, hilarious) , first do some research on the subjects you`re discussing cause you`re making a fool of yourself...
Big_Tom(tk)
Member
Big_Tom(tk)
Member
As a DS rep, I have to defend myself and the other guys. We do fill threads with a whole list of reviews done by people logging Activate Xtreme. (sponsored and unsponsored) I know about this list, cause I'm the one who put it together. I do NOT put that list in ANY thread other then the "What do you guys think about ActX?" and "Are there any reviews on ActX around?" I actually pride myself on NOT pimping anything. I do recommend the products from our line in open threads asking for suggestions. I use the DS line up and believe in those products. Hence the reason I accepted their offer to take this position.
interrupt
New member
I never said there was no scientific data behind those products!!! In fact there is TONS of "scientific data" behind those. So what are you talking about?? You obviously have poor comprehension skills bud. All I did was list what I was taking in conjunction with AX.....
nunes
Well-known member
you said I call that placebo, man English is not my mother language but the one that no one understand here its ...YOU
interrupt
New member
Again learn how to comprehend what is being said homie... I NEVER claimed you called THOSE supplements placebo man.. wtf??? In my first post I said I'm interested in what works.. not mentioning any supplement what so ever and then you come in and say that placebo is proven to work also.... I KNOW that Creatine and BCAA works (no question about it) because not only did I make great gains while taking them but buddies of mine who NEVER taken creatine made HUGE gains while taking nothing but that. On top of the creatine and BCAA, I've made even MORE gains while on AX and I asked was that placebo also according to you....
Time for you to take some English comprehension classes on top of your language classes buddy!!!
interrupt
New member
Post #219 in this thread is a good start for some proof.
Unbiased I hope??? is that you in your avatar??
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
I think the problem just stems from the point you entered the conversation. We have been having a debate about if science matters with todays supplements. Mostly because we asked Chuck about his DTH formula, since he doesnt have any scientific data on his product. When you posted your initial post, it seemed to use to say "I dont care what science has to say about a product." After that, it just spun out of control. It seems that you do care what the science behind a product says, so really it makes all this back and forth moot.
Adams
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
They were labs done before and after a activate cycle. Posted by the user themselves. Had camera phone pictures of them, so you can deduce that they werent generated by BS. Pretty much about as third party as they get.
Adams
interrupt
New member
Man that's all I do is read and do research on supplements that i'm interested in!!! I LOVE lifting weights been lifting for the better part of my life, i'm 34. I have confidence that I know at least a little about creatine (produced by our bodies and is found in red meat, makes you retain water) and bcaa (part of the building blocks of protein). Who are you??? I'm not going to go into depth to justify my knowledge to post here for you.
Big_Tom(tk)
Member
interrupt
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Kewl That's what i'm talking about!!!
interrupt
New member
Yeah I can see how that can be the conclusion... After reading the 8 pages, I decided to post..the post was short and to the point!!!! Just make a product that works and I'll buy it!!!
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
E2, LH and FSH wont really help without total test and free test, cortisol and prolactin. Are they just checking your total test or what. Didnt you just come off a cycle? PM me on it.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
I asked someone about a claim in a write up on some herbs I am very familiar with and use in my products. I didnt tell him his product wont be effective for anything and is garbage, I said the way he says the herbs work in his write up are wrong and he is interpreting the research incorrectly. That’s total different from saying something like, “if you don’t tell me a scientific explanation why your product is formulated the way it is, its garbage.”
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
After pages of you saying a test booster should be a test booster not a libido booster, your really posting a quote from someone saying Actx is the best libido product they have ever used......and they guy has never used DIESEL TEST Hardcore?
nunes
Well-known member
seems like you have been going to wikipedia in these few hours, man , get lost, you arrive here in these forum with posts that don't fit in the discussion and now you`re trying to get trouble, no more discussion with you, I only like to speak with people that teach me something or want my advise or have a minimal IQ, you don't fit on these profiles so speak to the walls cause I`ll not answer to your stupid posts again...
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
oh and btw, I was thinking at the gym.....DS is saying there are no human test on Tribulus showing it works, just mice, primates and rabbits but there are no test on Davamil published anywhere that even show 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran aka Davamil (or whatever) to have been tested for binding to SHBG in any living organism at all, mice, dogs, cats.....no in vivo research at all. I know it works, but for all you "show me the science" there is no science done on any vertebrae in pumbed on 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran.
anyway
This is getting old so in addition to my search for people who logged actx to log DTH and do a results driven comparison, lets try to get some lab work comps on pre and post LH, total test, free test, estodiol, prolactin and cortisol.
We would need about 10 to 20 people half to get work done and start one product, then get test done at say 21 post product use......with about a 30-45 day break from test boosters, prohormones etc.., then get tested then use the other product then post results at day 21. The only problem is these people have to use the exact same stacks with each product, same diet, same training and there will will be a 50% chance that half of them will mess up something with getting lab work done. It will also be hard to make sure their training and diet is the same.
There is also a problem because lab work cost money and some people can do saliva test but the problem is with saliva test is you would have to do 2 test on 2 different days pre and post each product (8 test in all per subject) because if they send of the saliva test and its all jacked up or the "lose it" or something like that the person would have already startd the product.
lets do it.....
anyway
This is getting old so in addition to my search for people who logged actx to log DTH and do a results driven comparison, lets try to get some lab work comps on pre and post LH, total test, free test, estodiol, prolactin and cortisol.
We would need about 10 to 20 people half to get work done and start one product, then get test done at say 21 post product use......with about a 30-45 day break from test boosters, prohormones etc.., then get tested then use the other product then post results at day 21. The only problem is these people have to use the exact same stacks with each product, same diet, same training and there will will be a 50% chance that half of them will mess up something with getting lab work done. It will also be hard to make sure their training and diet is the same.
There is also a problem because lab work cost money and some people can do saliva test but the problem is with saliva test is you would have to do 2 test on 2 different days pre and post each product (8 test in all per subject) because if they send of the saliva test and its all jacked up or the "lose it" or something like that the person would have already startd the product.
lets do it.....