X-Factor @ 1.5g (6 gels) for 65 days

ImJ2x said:
OK, considering the products I have on hand, here's what I'm contemplating:
5 bottles of Syntrax Hyper-H, w/90 caps @ 200mg ArA each (Sorry MN, I had no clue about the lawsuit when I bought it for $10/bottle on clearance.)
5 bottles of 1,4-Andro, also w/90 caps @ 200mg 1,4-AD each
This makes the cycle pretty simple: 6 caps each per day = 1200mg ArA + 1200mg 1,4-AD per day, for 75 days. I'll have to research 1,4-Andro a little more to determine a proper post cycle therapy.
I'd love to hear some opinions (particularly from you, Reaper) regarding the "symmetry" and effectiveness of this stack. If I could get 10+ lbs of quality LBM from this stack, I'd be thrilled.
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ImJ2x-

Your stack looks pretty good. Poopypants mentioned something about ArA possibly increasing AR activity. This is also seems to be the case for 1,4-AD is that it can also stimulate androgen receptor activity as well. The fact that 1,4-AD is one of the 'true' prohormones still out there means that it's gotta be activated within the body (I think it is by the 17HSD), but i'm not 100% sure. Boldenone lacks progesterone receptor interaction and all the associated progestinic side effects. I've also heard conversion rates being thrown around, 10% seems to be on the higher end, although it is possible that it is much less than that. 120mg of the 1,200mg will be active. If this were a -diol instead of a -dione it would be a much better compound.

Did you buy this bulk from nutraplanet when they had the sale, or did you stock up on iForce's Bold 200 ?


I honestly don't think you'll get anything for atleast 30-31 days that you start ArA+1,4-AD because of 'build up' time....literally for both supplements.


There's 2 different options you can do:

1. Take the ArA/1,4-AD @1,200mg and chill out for awhile. After around 30ish days, start an oral (Superdrol) low dose to finish off the latter portion of the cycle. This would allow Superdrol to take advantage of the increased androgen receptors that ArA/1,4-AD should allow.

2. Take the ArA/1,4-AD @ 1,200mg and kickstart with an oral for the first 30 days during the loading period.


.....personally I think #1 would be a better idea and would lead to better gains.




Running ArA+1,4-AD only would be a toss up, IMO. 10lbs of LBM would be pushing it. Seems like 1,4-AD has not been getting very positive results.
 
Well, tried PlasmaJet last night. Got a warm feeling after 40 minutes of taking it. Probably was the red wine extract. Nothing too special to note from the product as of yet.

Since this stuff only needs to be taken every other day at the most, or whatever, it is peace of mind to know my viens are surging with nitric oxide for another 24 more hours. lol.
 
Ok, I recieved my bloodwork in the mail today. Pretty fast, I wasn't expecting it till next week at the earliest.

Everything came out fine.

Cholesterol: 142 [Scale:120-199]
Triglycerides: 37 [Scale: 0-150]


The only issues were:

My CO2 was slightly high, and my Globulin was like .1 too low. Other than that liver enzymes, blood lipids, glucose levels, blah, blah came out great @ 30ish days of X-Factor.
 
PlasmaJet has seem to have gotten a bit better. Last night, I had a better pump than I did the previous time before. ALRI's WTF Pump'd still works the best for me out of all the NO2 supps I've tried.

I'm trying to steer away from bulk powders, and powders in general. It is increasingly difficult to have to carry tubs of supplement powder when i travel from time to time. I prefer to just put it all in a big ziplock bag instead.

PlasmaJet is probably a solid 6/10 at this point.
 
Sold the Orastan-A as it was going to expire in a few months. Got quite a bit of money from it. Going to use the cash and buy Furazadrol instead since it won't be near expiration.

I'm thinking about getting rid of the Orastan-E as well. That shizzle expired back in July '07.
 
expiration dates on hormonal compounds are REALLY iffy. If youve stored them correctly in cool dark areas and still sealed then you can easily exceed that date by YEARS and even then the compound isnt automatically bunk or inneffective, it slooooooowly deteriorates and becomes only slightly less effective, it would take prob only take a minor increase in dose to get same effects... thats still only if its even started to deteriorate.
 
poopypants said:
expiration dates on hormonal compounds are REALLY iffy. If youve stored them correctly in cool dark areas and still sealed then you can easily exceed that date by YEARS and even then the compound isnt automatically bunk or inneffective, it slooooooowly deteriorates and becomes only slightly less effective, it would take prob only take a minor increase in dose to get same effects... thats still only if its even started to deteriorate.
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Agreed. I'm thinking about 5%-10% degradation or so in the first year? Whatcha think poopy?
 
celc5 said:
Agreed. I'm thinking about 5%-10% degradation or so in the first year? Whatcha think poopy?
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thats gotta be in normal storage conditions though, for the guys that leave em sealed and in the freezer that exp date is useless, prob extend it by 2-5 years then your rate above would still be much lower if its continually kept in those conditions the years following. my guess is one could crack open 10 years past an exp date and still dose it with no more then a 50-100% increase and get good results if its frozen.
 
I wish I knew how these were stored. When I bought them, they still had the wrapper on the cap, etc...but for all I know they could have been sitting out in the sun for 2 yrs.

Ironically enough, even though Orastan-A is the same thing as Furazadrol, and same dosage, I sold 2 unopened bottles for $155.00 :lol:
 
poopypants said:
thats gotta be in normal storage conditions though, for the guys that leave em sealed and in the freezer that exp date is useless, prob extend it by 2-5 years then your rate above would still be much lower if its continually kept in those conditions the years following. my guess is one could crack open 10 years past an exp date and still dose it with no more then a 50-100% increase and get good results if its frozen.
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Agreed poops. If you have these compounds sealed and in the freezer you can get many, many years past the exp. date out of them. I've read some good studies that attest to and support the fact......let me see if i can dig them up.
 
Welp, last Friday I went out on an inspection at Papa John's. The franchise's marketing agent was there. She was 5'2, about 105lbs, blonde. Probably 23-24yrs old (like me). Definitely a 10 out of 10. She said that she used to be a newsreporter but got sick of it after 6 months, so now she's doing the marketing bit.

Well, I ended up issuing $7,500 in fines to the place, then I asked her if she wanted to go and hang out that night. She said, 'Reaper, you just issued us this big ass fine, are you crazy ? You are pretty audacious to even be asking me out. Thanks but no thanks'.


Damn, I got denied. :eek:
 
ReaperX said:
Welp, last Friday I went out on an inspection at Papa John's. The franchise's marketing agent was there. She was 5'2, about 105lbs, blonde. Probably 23-24yrs old (like me). Definitely a 10 out of 10. She said that she used to be a newsreporter but got sick of it after 6 months, so now she's doing the marketing bit.

Well, I ended up issuing $7,500 in fines to the place, then I asked her if she wanted to go and hang out that night. She said, 'Reaper, you just issued us this big ass fine, are you crazy ? You are pretty audacious to even be asking me out. Thanks but no thanks'.


Damn, I got denied. :eek:
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LMAO that was fairly audacious... I would have been more suprised if she had said yes.
 
ReaperX said:
ImJ2x-

Your stack looks pretty good. Poopypants mentioned something about ArA possibly increasing AR activity. This is also seems to be the case for 1,4-AD is that it can also stimulate androgen receptor activity as well. The fact that 1,4-AD is one of the 'true' prohormones still out there means that it's gotta be activated within the body (I think it is by the 17HSD), but i'm not 100% sure. Boldenone lacks progesterone receptor interaction and all the associated progestinic side effects. I've also heard conversion rates being thrown around, 10% seems to be on the higher end, although it is possible that it is much less than that. 120mg of the 1,200mg will be active. If this were a -diol instead of a -dione it would be a much better compound.

Did you buy this bulk from nutraplanet when they had the sale, or did you stock up on iForce's Bold 200 ?


I honestly don't think you'll get anything for atleast 30-31 days that you start ArA+1,4-AD because of 'build up' time....literally for both supplements.


There's 2 different options you can do:

1. Take the ArA/1,4-AD @1,200mg and chill out for awhile. After around 30ish days, start an oral (Superdrol) low dose to finish off the latter portion of the cycle. This would allow Superdrol to take advantage of the increased androgen receptors that ArA/1,4-AD should allow.

2. Take the ArA/1,4-AD @ 1,200mg and kickstart with an oral for the first 30 days during the loading period.


.....personally I think #1 would be a better idea and would lead to better gains.




Running ArA+1,4-AD only would be a toss up, IMO. 10lbs of LBM would be pushing it. Seems like 1,4-AD has not been getting very positive results.
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Somehow I missed this, but I appreciate the advice. And I think you're right on with suggestion #1. I'm just winding down on a long Superdrol pulse, and I wanted to use some mild compounds on my next cycle, to give my internal organs a break. But if I take some time off, combined with 30 days of 1,4-AD + ArA alone to start the cycle, then maybe my organs will be ready for some more Superdrol. I just don't know whether to pulse the superdrol or run it straight. I'm guessing that even 1,4-AD will cause some shutdown when run at 1200mg for 75 days. So if I'm gonna need a PCT anyway, there's no reason to pulse the SD -- I'll just run it straight.
[PS: The 1,4-AD I have is actually 1Fast400 1,4-Andro that's been in my freezer for a few years (just like my DS Superdrol, which still seems to be very effective).]
 
ReaperX said:
Welp, last Friday I went out on an inspection at Papa John's. The franchise's marketing agent was there. She was 5'2, about 105lbs, blonde. Probably 23-24yrs old (like me). Definitely a 10 out of 10. She said that she used to be a newsreporter but got sick of it after 6 months, so now she's doing the marketing bit.

Well, I ended up issuing $7,500 in fines to the place, then I asked her if she wanted to go and hang out that night. She said, 'Reaper, you just issued us this big ass fine, are you crazy ? You are pretty audacious to even be asking me out. Thanks but no thanks'.


Damn, I got denied. :eek:
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I'm pretty sure she didn't call you "Reaper" lol.
 
ImJ2x said:
Somehow I missed this, but I appreciate the advice. And I think you're right on with suggestion #1. I'm just winding down on a long Superdrol pulse, and I wanted to use some mild compounds on my next cycle, to give my internal organs a break. But if I take some time off, combined with 30 days of 1,4-AD + ArA alone to start the cycle, then maybe my organs will be ready for some more Superdrol. I just don't know whether to pulse the superdrol or run it straight. I'm guessing that even 1,4-AD will cause some shutdown when run at 1200mg for 75 days. So if I'm gonna need a post cycle therapy anyway, there's no reason to pulse the superdrol -- I'll just run it straight.
[PS: The 1,4-AD I have is actually 1Fast400 1,4-Andro that's been in my freezer for a few years (just like my DS Superdrol, which still seems to be very effective).]
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smart man freezing all those things... it should be pretty much good as new. 1200mg will be a very healthy dose and will def leave you with some shutdown. Id take at least 30 days off before you even start that then run it before and into the superdrol, should be a very nice stack.
 
ImJ2x said:
Somehow I missed this, but I appreciate the advice. And I think you're right on with suggestion #1. I'm just winding down on a long Superdrol pulse, and I wanted to use some mild compounds on my next cycle, to give my internal organs a break. But if I take some time off, combined with 30 days of 1,4-AD + ArA alone to start the cycle, then maybe my organs will be ready for some more Superdrol. I just don't know whether to pulse the superdrol or run it straight. I'm guessing that even 1,4-AD will cause some shutdown when run at 1200mg for 75 days. So if I'm gonna need a post cycle therapy anyway, there's no reason to pulse the superdrol -- I'll just run it straight.
[PS: The 1,4-AD I have is actually 1Fast400 1,4-Andro that's been in my freezer for a few years (just like my DS Superdrol, which still seems to be very effective).]
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I would absolutely run it straight through. Either Superdrol or Epi/Havoc. There are 2 reasons for this:

1. You are using ArA+1,4-AD and will theoretically get some increase AR activity, so it is better to take advantage of this through a straight run

2. You will experience some suppression from 1,4-AD, so a pulse is irrelevant. The only reason to pulse would be to minimize toxicity. Then again a pulse would short-change your gains.


This is what I would recommend:

Week 1: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg

Week 2: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg

Week 3: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg

Week 4: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg

Week 5: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg

Week 6: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg

Week 7: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg+ Superdrol/Havoc*

Week 8: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg+ Superdrol/Havoc*

Week 9: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg+ Superdrol/Havoc*

Week 10: ArA,1,4-AD @1200mg+ Superdrol/Havoc*

Week 11: post cycle therapy accordingly**

Week 12: post cycle therapy accordingly**

Week 13: post cycle therapy accordingly**

Week 14: PCT accordingly**




*Superdrol: 20mg or Havoc: 30mg


**For your PCT include everyday:

-100mg CoQ10
-8g of Fish Oil
-600mg SAMe




The fish oil is to 'washout' your system from being in an inflammatory state for 75 days. Plus, your lipids will be jacked up, so fish oil will help shift and raise HDL and lower LDL. SAMe to wash out your liver, and CoQ10 for your heart(cardiovasular system).


With the increase nitric oxide production, combined with the increased RBC count from 1,4-AD you should get some pretty nice pumps. At the same time, I'd keep an eye on your blood pressure as I can forsee this being problematic. Whatever you do, make sure you take something to address that.


If and when you do this, please let me know, and I'd appreciate it if you logged it.

Superdrol route~ 14-15lbs
Havoc route~ 11-12lbs

Just predicting.
 
Reaper, my friend, thanks for the excellent and thorough advice. I'll use Superdrol, since I have mucho. And you're even right on with the dosage -- 20mg seems to be my "sweet spot." 30mg makes me start to feel sick. And I use all the support supps you recommend, plus some others. And the cool thing is, I can go a full 75 days, which is almost 11 weeks. So I think 6 weeks of "pre-loading" 1,4-AD/ArA, followed by nearly 5 weeks with the added Superdrol, should be very productive. But it will definitely require a serious PCT.
But as far as logging the cycle, forget it -- I'd be terrible, lol. First of all, I'm way too busy. Secondly, I'm not reliable enough to get the necessary bloodwork done. Thirdly, I rarely even weigh myself -- I use the mirror as my scale (one quick naked look into the mirror, and I know exactly how I'm doing). But I'll definitely keep you apprised of my progress, and my subjective opinions of the cycle.
 
ImJ2x said:
Reaper, my friend, thanks for the excellent and thorough advice. I'll use Superdrol, since I have mucho. And you're even right on with the dosage -- 20mg seems to be my "sweet spot." 30mg makes me start to feel sick. And I use all the support supps you recommend, plus some others. And the cool thing is, I can go a full 75 days, which is almost 11 weeks. So I think 6 weeks of "pre-loading" 1,4-AD/ArA, followed by nearly 5 weeks with the added Superdrol, should be very productive. But it will definitely require a serious post cycle therapy.
But as far as logging the cycle, forget it -- I'd be terrible, lol. First of all, I'm way too busy. Secondly, I'm not reliable enough to get the necessary bloodwork done. Thirdly, I rarely even weigh myself -- I use the mirror as my scale (one quick naked look into the mirror, and I know exactly how I'm doing). But I'll definitely keep you apprised of my progress, and my subjective opinions of the cycle.
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Good luck and stay safe.
 
I didn't forget about this log, lol:


Here's the end:


Muscle gain=+3.04
Fat loss=-1.42



Overall:

Weight gain=+2.12+3.04=+5.16lbs
Fat loss=-1.03-1.42=-2.45lbs

Slightly better results vs. @ 1 month. I would probably attribute this to the 'loading' period when I was first starting up. I'm going to cheat today as it has been challenging trying to keep my diet so consistant for so long.

In comparison to my typical results, these far exceed what I would normally see on average.

It would be interesting to see how this works stacked with something else. This whole gig cost me nearly $200.00.

I'll reconsider X-Factor again, but as of now I have other plans.


-ciao
 
Congrats Reaper! These are very good results! Typical to my 50 day cycle. When you consider that a SD cycle at the end is about a 8 lb gain, with major sides (compared to XF) and costs about 170$ (with proper SERM etc.) it's pretty darn good IMO. Thanks for your time!
 
jjohn said:
Congrats Reaper! These are very good results! Typical to my 50 day cycle. When you consider that a SD cycle at the end is about a 8 lb gain, with major sides (compared to XF) and costs about 170$ (with proper SERM etc.) it's pretty darn good IMO. Thanks for your time!
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Yep, no problem. I agree with the SD statement. Plus there are also levels of toxicity and risk involved with SD vs. X-Factor.
 
ReaperX wrote: The thing is why is it when I workout using the same exercises, week after week and I don't really get sore ?

My answer to you is...You obviously aren't working out properly and you must not have any "mind muscle" control. I had that problem in the beginning of my workout career (6 years ago) and once I discovered the proper way to lift, I have been sore after every workout since.
 
I question the need to be 'sore' after workouts. A slight soreness is ok, however being flat out sore after every workout would possibly indicate overtraining.


More than anything I get sore when I lift heavy. Proper training is a given. I'm not really sure how to comment on the 'mind to muscle' connection.
 
At any rate, I'm running another 50 day cycle but this time just using the recommended dosage. Not the crazy high/long-time dosing, just the usual 4 gels/ED.

I take 2 in the morning, and 2 in the evening.

My scale I had that gave me all the good read outs is not working, so that will have to be replaced.

I also just recently started incorporating DC training.


I'll give a generic feedback comparison from time to time.
 
Grunt76 said:
I think combining DC & X-Factor is a particularly good idea.
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I did very high volume training during the duration of using 1.5g/ED at an attempt to get maximum release of ArA.

I think however DC combined with static holds/stretching will also utilize the ArA's abilities as well.
 
I was planning to try x-factor next fall, but i am leaning towards running a 50day cycle in a week or two, to try and maintain as much mass as i can durring this cut.

Interested to see ur results Reaper. You are lean enough now, that it is easier to gauge progress IMO.
 
No DOMS thus far. Of course it is still early though.

Taking more ArA probably just increases the saturation in the body faster, probably like creatine.

The body probably has a finite capacity which is reached (like creatine again) and after that there is no added benefit of taking additional ArA.

The length of time in question is something different.
 
I really enjoyed reading this log, thanks for all the great info.

Im 10 days into an x-factor/drive/rpm cycle. Im debating upping the xfactor to 6 per day (from 4) after reading this. Do you think that is worthwhile or not so much when stacked with something else?
 
DrakeC said:
I really enjoyed reading this log, thanks for all the great info.

Im 10 days into an x-factor/drive/rpm cycle. Im debating upping the xfactor to 6 per day (from 4) after reading this. Do you think that is worthwhile or not so much when stacked with something else?
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I think the only benefit for taking extra ArA is just a faster saturation period. I don't think excess will actually correlate to better results. Kinda like taking creatine.
 
So would you think "front loading it" would have merit, sort of like creatine loading? Maybey take 6-8 caps/day for the first week or two, then level out to 4 a day?
 
i know this is my first post, as i am new to this forurm. as well i find most of what i need to know from searching.
i have run three 'cycles" of x factor (none bulk) and no need to say it works (as i wouldnt have run two more)
my best results where from an odd dosing, 4 on off days and 5 on work out days (1.1.1.1 off days, 1.2.1.1 work out. the 2 being 1 hr pre workout)
the other two where 4 stand alone ED and 6 ED stand alone.
i agree 100% that AA is one of the most innovative new non-hormonal supplements today. and worth playing around with. anyways odd first post, but i will run AA again and i will do the 4OD and 5 TD. just figured id post my experience. sorry i didnt mean to thread jack
 
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I've actually considered buying some more and doing the whole 250mg/ED (1 gel) as a health supplementation.


Some days my protein intake is high with ArA (i.e. eggs/red meat) and other days it is just chicken, tuna, and other various spotty sources of protein.


1 bottle would last 100days of just 1 gel/ED.


I agree with ArA being innovative. It actually has science to back it up. Plus even though many products are marketed as 'non-hormonal' like Hyperdrol/6-OXO/etc, they actually are hormonal in nature.

They just say 'non-hormonal' because it dosen't have any DIRECT anabolic activity.


I can't attest to any specific dosing though. Sometimes I space it out, other times I just took the gels in globs.
 
ReaperX said:
I didn't forget about this log, lol:


Here's the end:


Muscle gain=+3.04
Fat loss=-1.42



Overall:

Weight gain=+2.12+3.04=+5.16lbs
Fat loss=-1.03-1.42=-2.45lbs

Slightly better results vs. @ 1 month. I would probably attribute this to the 'loading' period when I was first starting up. I'm going to cheat today as it has been challenging trying to keep my diet so consistant for so long.

In comparison to my typical results, these far exceed what I would normally see on average.

It would be interesting to see how this works stacked with something else. This whole gig cost me nearly $200.00.

I'll reconsider X-Factor again, but as of now I have other plans.


-ciao
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honest reapers results. Me likey:dance:

I must say I had similar results. I gained 10 pounds but for some reason I had some water weight on me as well. I put on 6 pounds approximately at the end of my cycle. :dance:
 
My biggest beef is that people say in their logs that they gain # of lbs. Well, unless you are really, really skilled, it is hard to say that you gained 'x' lbs unless it is controlled by some type of device. I will fully admit that I am not one of those people who has esoteric eye/mirror/scale skills that I know spot on my gains without any error.



On top of that fat, water, and muscle can make the biggest difference. I'd check out more logs if people did them in a more controlled fashion. At best they check the scale number before they started the product then afterwards.


Sometimes I drink a few bottles of water then check the scale and I'm up +3lbs. Who would have known water's immediate anabolic effects ?


Joking aside, unless you are very, very low in BF% and are that physiologically in tune with your body it is hard to notice true effects of ArA or any supplement for that matter unless you are using some device for control.

For some people they need to take something in order to get motivated to go to the gym. Others they are perfectly content living up the hype of the product (like MMV2) and the placebo effect they recieve.
 
Cellardude said:
honest reapers results. Me likey:dance:

I must say I had similar results. I gained 10 pounds but for some reason I had some water weight on me as well. I put on 6 pounds approximately at the end of my cycle. :dance:
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I think im having similar results with my cycle. Im about a week into the 2nd bottle at 4 per day and have gained 5 lbs. Strength has gone up (DC training) but im definitely looking softer then when i started so i think there is some water gain as well. Im guessing not much fat just because my diet has been perfect.

How long did it take you to lose the water weight when you stopped the x-factor?
 
I'll probably train DC or similar for a very long time. I am able to get in and out of the gym very fast, plus with grad school at the moment, my energy is torched the majority of the week.

Tha past 6 months I have been able to go to the gym and train high volume and spend an ungodly amount of time in the gym due to my classes being easy. Now they are not anymore and probably won't be till I get done, ugh. Gotta adapt.

Most ppl don't stretch, but it has been one of the best aspects I've incorporated into my training to date. Did I mention it is free ? :woohoo:
 
Dry cough ? None noted. I think you might be suffering from overtraining possibly. If you are overtraining, X-Factor could be exacerbating the situation, esp in lieu of your immune system.
 
This also may be an obsecure question, but I'll ask it anyway:



Are you a car mechanic ? Do you have a job where you are exposed to automobiles for an extended period of time ?
 
ReaperX said:
This also may be an obsecure question, but I'll ask it anyway:



Are you a car mechanic ? Do you have a job where you are exposed to automobiles for an extended period of time ?
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I am a Handyman, but I use to smoke before, I am 32 so I might be looking for an easy explaination. Thats why I am asking on here.
 
Ok, I was going to suggest brake dust. A lot of people don't suspect that, but it does cause lung irritation. The smoking you have/are doing is also most likely the issue. Just a guess.
 
Sorry I haven't been around lately. I've been excessively busy with work/grad school.


I got blood taken last week. Going to have the same panel done as before. I've just been feeling run down and tired lately which I'm sure is probably just from 'life' in general. Also too, I just want to make sure I'm healthy.


Nonetheless, I'll post the results when I get them (in a week or 2).
 
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