jjohn
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Good to hear Reaper!
X-Factor @ 1.5g (6 gels) for 65 days
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Good to hear Reaper!
ReaperX
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Ok, so I weighed in and did several of them to account of any inconsistancies and averaged the gains. Here are the results after 1 month (2 bottles of X-Factor) on a maintaince diet and high volume training.
Weight gain= +2.12 lbs
Fat loss= -1.03 lbs
Couple of thoughts here:
1. This gain was made off maint. cal. intake, not bulking.
2. This gain is more than my typical gain (.5-1 lb/month)
3. Fat loss+muscle gain simultaneously
4. Non-hormonal
5. Minimal sides
6. Minimal DOMS, mainly only in lats/quads/legs
7. Occasional headaches, nothing too crazy
8. Still has omega-3 intake (not a lot, just occasional)
9. No joint pain
10. Already took close to $100.00 worth of X-Factor.
If the results stay similar to these, it will result in a ~ 4.5-5 lb gain over all. These are real numbers, not aribitrary 'Dude, I got jacked' numbers. Honestly, I was expecting/liking results to be in 1 month ~ 3.5-4 lbs, but this is what the actual result was. I also too was expecting to make a +6-8 lb legitimate gain after the 4 bottles of X-Factor, however, I'm not sure if that will be the case based on these results.
I feel that X-Factor works more as a muscle enhancement supplement vs. a primary anabolic. To make this really worthwhile, it needs to be stacked with something. Using X-Factor solely enchanced my natural gains, however, if someone were to use it on cycle or with something else (Drive seems to be popular), the results could be even greater. Just food for thought.
Weight gain= +2.12 lbs
Fat loss= -1.03 lbs
Couple of thoughts here:
1. This gain was made off maint. cal. intake, not bulking.
2. This gain is more than my typical gain (.5-1 lb/month)
3. Fat loss+muscle gain simultaneously
4. Non-hormonal
5. Minimal sides
6. Minimal DOMS, mainly only in lats/quads/legs
7. Occasional headaches, nothing too crazy
8. Still has omega-3 intake (not a lot, just occasional)
9. No joint pain
10. Already took close to $100.00 worth of X-Factor.
If the results stay similar to these, it will result in a ~ 4.5-5 lb gain over all. These are real numbers, not aribitrary 'Dude, I got jacked' numbers. Honestly, I was expecting/liking results to be in 1 month ~ 3.5-4 lbs, but this is what the actual result was. I also too was expecting to make a +6-8 lb legitimate gain after the 4 bottles of X-Factor, however, I'm not sure if that will be the case based on these results.
I feel that X-Factor works more as a muscle enhancement supplement vs. a primary anabolic. To make this really worthwhile, it needs to be stacked with something. Using X-Factor solely enchanced my natural gains, however, if someone were to use it on cycle or with something else (Drive seems to be popular), the results could be even greater. Just food for thought.
ImJ2x
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Reaper, I'd point out that if you gained 2.12 lbs overall, while losing 1.03 lbs of fat, then you actually put on 3.15 lbs of LBM in a month (which is pretty close to your desired 3.5-4 lbs). But my suspicion (regarding both you and jjohn) is that your gains are simply what would be expected from your dedicated diet/exercise program.
In other words: If you had done everything exactly the same over the last month, but without the ArA, I think your gains may have been very similar.
If you or jjohn disagree with this, please feel free to school me.
In other words: If you had done everything exactly the same over the last month, but without the ArA, I think your gains may have been very similar.
If you or jjohn disagree with this, please feel free to school me.
ReaperX
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ImJ2x-
You are correct, 3.15lbs of LBM in a month. I was just breaking down the specific fat loss and muscle gain. I'm very picky on the way I choose my wording so I will carefully say that ArA may or may not have been the reason for the muscle gain/fat loss. I really cannot contribute it specifically b/c I lack scientific equipment and controlled studies.
This is just merely a reflection of my experiement using ArA. I cannot come up with a definitive conclusion, just results. It would be interesting to see someone else mimic exactly my thread and see what their results are.
The claims of X-Factor:
-(2) bottles will yield between a 10-12lb gain
-You should put on approx .5-1lb of muscle each week
^These are clearly exaggerated and those results are likely to not be typical, as they were not for me.
jjohn can chime in on his behalf.
ReaperX
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Hm, I'm surprised I have not gotten anymore feedback other than ImJ2x and someone who PM'd me earlier.
Off topic:
-I saw for the first time a female on gear at my gym last night. She was probably doing Var and/or V. Probably 8% BF, striations everywhere, not huge, but dense muscle quality.
She looked really good and for some reason I just felt like fighting her. Hm.
-I was in the middle of doing heavy ass incline bench and some guy comes up to me and asks me to spot him
Off topic:
-I saw for the first time a female on gear at my gym last night. She was probably doing Var and/or V. Probably 8% BF, striations everywhere, not huge, but dense muscle quality.
She looked really good and for some reason I just felt like fighting her. Hm.
-I was in the middle of doing heavy ass incline bench and some guy comes up to me and asks me to spot him
ReaperX
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Correct. Everything will proceed at planned till the end. I'd like to try a similar log again for another product, however, I think I'm going to save that for later on. Once I get off X-Factor, I'm going to do a cut for the summer on a cal. deficient diet with Orastan-A and probably run DTH along side with it.
I'm pretty impartial to bulking and patient with it, but there's nothing that pisses me off more than losing a bunch of muscle on a cut.
This is probably how it will be layed out:
1x Orastan-A: 2-3 caps/ED
2x DTH: 6 tablets/ED
Diet: 45/30/25=p/c/f
Supps: Everything as usual, vitamins, ZMA, fish oil, etc.
I'm going to try and drag this out really slowly and rely on a higher, more frequent protein intake, Orastan-A, and DTH to prevent catabolism. No fat burners, no BCAAs, no stims, just doing this in a pretty simple fashion.
jjohn
Registered User
It's good that you point this out, but where X Factor comes in handy, (and measurements are more valuable) IMO, is when you are at a point where your gains have either stopped, or increasing very slowly, which was the case for some. This was when users noticed the best gains, as they saw the DIFFERENCE. People who are just starting out have a hard time monitoring their progress, so it's quite hard to tell. Me and Reaper are experienced lifters (I mean more than 1-2 years) Reaper's results are okay, but not as good as I would have expected. But X Factor DOES work, and accelerates muscle gains. A perfect diet and training is best, even when using ANY anabolic.
ReaperX
Well-known member
My typical rate of progress is .5-1 lb typically. The muscle gain/fat loss simultaneously is something that I am pleased with up to this point.
Also too, I mentioned that I would be getting a blood test. Well, actually I have an annual physical I am required to get for work, which includes a full blood test panel plus other stuff. I believe they do not test for testosterone/estrogen specifically, as I recall last year, but cholesterol, HDL, LDL among other stuff is tested. Liver enzymes as well. Getting that done this Friday. Results will probably be available 2 weeks or so after that.
The only thing that I really want to see is cholesterol, LDL,HDL.
My cholesterol is very low, like 135 low.
My blood pressure is 115/75, I believe. So that is pretty damn low too.
cal62887
Member
In for that...
T/E levels shouldn't be an issue as is.
Thanks for being thorough... and again, I'm reading but it seems like you've got this thread under control.
-cal
ReaperX
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Went to the doctor today. Did a full panel physical including blood tests. Also too did a urine test. Based on the urine test (PH levels) all my markers (i.e. glucose, liver, etc, etc) are within extremely healthy ranges.
Blood Pressure is: 106/65
Pulse: 70
I usually have a thing about getting my blood taken and freak out, so as the nurse was doing it, she threw an ice pack down the back of my shirt.
Blood results will be sent to my place in a few weeks.
Blood Pressure is: 106/65
Pulse: 70
I usually have a thing about getting my blood taken and freak out, so as the nurse was doing it, she threw an ice pack down the back of my shirt.
Blood results will be sent to my place in a few weeks.
ReaperX
Well-known member
Also too,
I'm starting to think that it DOES make a difference if you intake Omega-3 fatty acids, esp. at the X-Factor recommended dose of 1g (4 gels), despite my contradictory hypothesis before. Mg for mg, I think that a high amount of omega-3 intake will cause a significant shift towards an anti-inflammatory state and overshadow X-Factor. This is what the initial hypothesis was all along from the beginning (from the omega-3 avoid warning).
I'm starting to think that it DOES make a difference if you intake Omega-3 fatty acids, esp. at the X-Factor recommended dose of 1g (4 gels), despite my contradictory hypothesis before. Mg for mg, I think that a high amount of omega-3 intake will cause a significant shift towards an anti-inflammatory state and overshadow X-Factor. This is what the initial hypothesis was all along from the beginning (from the omega-3 avoid warning).
cal62887
Member
Why the sudden/drastic change? I've always recommended to not supplement with Omega-3 but rather rely on diet... Personally i'd rather err on the low-side of Omega-3 intake while taking ArA.
rogermoore
New member
Sorry to interfere but headaches have nothing to do inflammation. There are several theories about what causes headaches but certainly inflammation isn`t one of them, unless you have a virus or bacterial infection in your head / brain.
One of the popular theories claims that headaches are caused by a sudden constriction of blood vessels in the brain followed by similar expansion which causes the pain.
I`ve suffered migraines since childhood so I know a bit about headaches
ReaperX
Well-known member
Sorry to interfere but headaches have nothing to do inflammation. There are several theories about what causes headaches but certainly inflammation isn`t one of them, unless you have a virus or bacterial infection in your head / brain.
One of the popular theories claims that headaches are caused by a sudden constriction of blood vessels in the brain followed by similar expansion which causes the pain.
I`ve suffered migraines since childhood so I know a bit about headaches
Why are anti-inflammatories taken for headaches then ? This has been a very common practice for a very long time. I agree that headaches can be caused by numerous reasons including some type of vasodialation, parasite in the brain, cancer of the brain, etc....
IMHO, inflammation can be one of many causes for headaches, among many.
ReaperX
Well-known member
Cal-
6 gels of X-Factor= 1.5g ArA
2 gels of Fish Oil=600mg Omega-3s
I'm just using a simple 'checks and balances' reasoning behind this, but it appears that enough Fish Oil will or omega-3s in general will outweigh the ArA and shift towards an anti-inflammatory state.
Personally for me, it is probably best just to avoid Omega-3s all together. Since X-Factor is expensive, I might as well try and reap the most of out it. Lol, but you reps get it for free though !
ReaperX
Well-known member
This is just a side note:
I took the 1 capsule of Aspire36 today around 4:00pm today. It is approx. 10:25pm right now. I have an EXTREMELY bad headache and I cannot breathe out of my nose. I feel like absolute shlt right now and close to 6 hrs later, I still feel dizzy. I feel absolutely f----ng horrible. I'd rather just take tribulus and horny goat weed.
Aspire36 isn't happening ever again for me.
I took the 1 capsule of Aspire36 today around 4:00pm today. It is approx. 10:25pm right now. I have an EXTREMELY bad headache and I cannot breathe out of my nose. I feel like absolute shlt right now and close to 6 hrs later, I still feel dizzy. I feel absolutely f----ng horrible. I'd rather just take tribulus and horny goat weed.
Aspire36 isn't happening ever again for me.
cal62887
Member
I know a lot of people who got that reaction. CoQ10 and Water helped with it a bit.
poopypants
Banned
Ive been following this and just recently caught up to read this with my long subs list, and this post brings great promise to my soon X-factor stacked cycle.
I get to try it out along side the new Mass FX Max Strength which especially after reading your last post makes me think this stack will be killer.
Also the supposed effect of AA increasing the number of AR's really excites me with using it with a supplement like this considering an increase of free test is to be expected and the addition of 25R-Diol and 11-Alpha (potent ecdysterone extract), me thinks it will just allow for a great amplification of this already powerfull looking natural anabolic.
Thanks for running such a high supplementation of this and logging it for us all, I greatly appreciate it as Im sure so do many others.
Last question just to console myself, youve experienced absolutely NO joint pains? I am very sucseptable to joint pain with many shoulder and knee injuries and supplement constantly with 4-6g's super cissus in bulk daily to compensate for this. I plan on continuing this supplementation as its a staple for me but I still would like to be sure I wont face a problem.
Thanks again Reaper, Props and Reps bro.
-Poops
poopypants
Banned
no reaper this is very much so inline with what I would assume as well. With this fellow being a sufferer of migranes (if a true sufferer) he would have been prescribed 800mg Ibuprufen at least a couple times, especially to start. If they could get away with prescibing any old pain killer then they would not go to IB. first IMO theyd most likely give whats most effective..... and so that leasds me to believe IB is the most effective.
The other thing shes been given is naproxen and vicodin for the really killer ones but she seldom takes it due to drousyness and her dislike of narcotices and addictive substances.
With headaches Im sure its dependant on the cause of the headache as to what it is they have you take but IB is still what I always take (only if its absolutely unbearable as I steer clear of all Nsaids) and its very quick and effective.
Ill ask Trauma1 to chime in on this exact subject if you dont mind the OT discussion since hes in the med feild and VERY knowledgable about the causes and effects of most all ailments.
poopypants
Banned
This is insane, THE EXACT DAY BEFORE YOU(two days ago) I used Aspire and all yesterday (the day after) and today (friday) Ive had incredible headaches AND a great burning sensation/pain in the hip and upper thigh region that I can only closely relate to the feeling of a back pump and the painful feeling of an extremity coming back into feeling after "falling asleep" (losing circulation).
any one know what this could be? I expect its mostly BP issues but its constant very painful and is not dependant on activity (actually when i worked out legs the pain subsided then came back later) but hurts ALL THE TIME. Has Aspire totally jacked my cardio system/circulation and BP?
ReaperX
Well-known member
No problem. I'm glad people are getting something out of this. I think X-Factor is a great secondary anabolic to whatever is being used a primary. The 'freeing up' of the AR receptors speculation is also what I think that X-Factor makes a good sidekick to whatever else is being used.
In regards to the joint pain, I had a time off after breaking my arm which allowed my body to recuperate. I typically experience joint pain in conjunction with how heavy I lift, not the actual number of exercises that I have been doing. I used to have terrible pain in my elbows, but the actual time off during the arm fracture really did wonders towards healing.
When I weight train, I know everyone has their own goals, but I use the most minimal weight possible in order to acheive results. I know for powerlifters this is different. If I never got hurt, I'd always lift heavy as this is my most preferred method. Just time and time again, whenever I do I am very prone to injury so I only lift heavy for 2-3 weeks at a time before I go light again.
If you (and anyone) else are experiencing joint pain, the best approach is just to take a lot of time off so the problem does not get compounded futher. This sucks, but it is effective (atleast in my case).
Also not only because of injury, but the other reason why I try avoiding lifting heavy is the possibility of developing arthritis later on down the line. This is just my own speculation, but lifting very, very heavy for a long time cannot be good for the cartiledge.
ReaperX
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You pretty much summed up what I was going to say in reply to roger's comment. Being that IB or NSAIDS is being administered makes me feel that the reason for headaches is strongly associated with inflammation. In fact, other than some type of anti-inflammatory, I cannot think off the top of my head what other type of medication would be used to alleviate any headaches ?
If Trauma1 wants to chime in, that's all good.
ReaperX
Well-known member
I don't know this for certain, only from what I've heard, but the herbal extracts in the Aspire36 work in a similar fashion to Viagra, or some type of anti-erectile dysfunction medication.
If this is the case, the the cGMP->PDE5->GMP
Viagra (and assuming Aspire36 does the same thing) in this case inhibits the PDE5 so GMP is not converted to cGMP.
With an extended period of GMP vasodialation and nitric oxide is greatly increased. On top of that, the Vitamin C and L-Arginine is also increasing nitric oxide and vasodialation as well. The side effects might be associated with excess vasodialation/nitric oxide.
The headaches and muscle cramps are probably associated with the effects of Aspire36.
I'm not exactly sure how Aspire36 works, but assuming it does like Viagra then that is probably what is happening. This is why Aspire36 is only to be taken when you are about to play vs. Horny Goat Weed+Tribulus which you can take everyday and stimulate libido.
I just looked at the back of the Aspire36 cardboard piece so this is all just a quick speculation.
ReaperX
Well-known member
Also too, I forgot to add. In lieu of the side effects of Aspire36 were, I tried taking in around approx. ~600mg of caffeine in 3 hrs as an attempt to use the 'stimulant' effect that caffeine has as a vasoconstrictor to possibly counteract the side effects(which were bad) of Aspire36.
...............it did not alleviate the side effects at all.
Hm. So much for that.
...............it did not alleviate the side effects at all.
Hm. So much for that.
Trauma1
Legend
Greetings all. Interesting discussion going on here. I agree with what you've said here reaper. I believe that aspire36 works along a similar pathway of PDE5 inhibition. As a result, the vasodilation effects would act systemically which would explain the side effects reported by users. To what degree, i have no idea.
People probably develop headaches due to the rapid vasodilation of the cerebral vasculature that in effect presses on nearby nerve endings causing pain. If it's significant enough for any length of time, it could easily simulate a type of migraine-like headache for some. The systemic vasodilation pathway would also explain the congestion. The vasodilation in the nasal mucousa causes nasal congestion.
ReaperX
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I was just reviewing what I had wrote and I made an oversight. I reversed what I wrote. I've been very disoriented lately. Here's the whole breakdown:
Brain->
sends signal to NANC nerve cell->
nitric oxide production->
guanylate cyclase->
cGMP->
PDE5->
GMP->
GTP->
guanylate cyclase(repeat).
Old men typically have low cGMP which is not suffice to get a woody. Viagra and Aspire36 increase this but inhibiting PDE5. Everything else is correct.
Brain->
sends signal to NANC nerve cell->
nitric oxide production->
guanylate cyclase->
cGMP->
PDE5->
GMP->
GTP->
guanylate cyclase(repeat).
Old men typically have low cGMP which is not suffice to get a woody. Viagra and Aspire36 increase this but inhibiting PDE5. Everything else is correct.
Trauma1
Legend
Sorry to interfere but headaches have nothing to do inflammation. There are several theories about what causes headaches but certainly inflammation isn`t one of them, unless you have a virus or bacterial infection in your head / brain.
One of the popular theories claims that headaches are caused by a sudden constriction of blood vessels in the brain followed by similar expansion which causes the pain.
I`ve suffered migraines since childhood so I know a bit about headaches
Wow, I hope your not serious here.:blink: Not to call you out here roger, but that is a completely ignorant statement. A cerebral inflammatory response secondary to traumatic head injury, tumor(or metastatic process), stroke, and many other disease processes will cause a varying degree of symptoms and inflammatory response. Headache most certainly being one of them. Inflammation due to these many processes causes swelling that compresses nerve endings resulting in a pain response or headache.
Dilation of vasculature(cerebral, localized,or systemic)for whatever reason(medication/substance/injury)causes increased bloodflow to the area or compartment(local or systemic.) The end result of the increased swelling causes compression of surrounding nerve endings. This causes protaglandin release from the compressed nerves, or in many cases the surrounding injured tissue. So essentially, some effects of this nature are a simulated inflammatory like response due to vasodilation resulting in a headache via route of nerve compression. The pain and swelling are further exacerbated by the prostaglandin release. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) block the Cox enzymes(COX-2 being more specific to local inflammation) and reduce prostaglandins synthesis throughout the body. As a result, inflammation(vasodilation)and pain response is reduced.
There are MANY different types of headaches with tension being by far the most common type. Many of these headaches in general are attributed to a specific underlying cause. Treating that cause is essential in longterm treatment success.
In regard to Ibuprofen's effects:
The inhibition of COX-2 inhibits the production of prostaglandins and thromboxanes. This, in turn, leads to the following three major effects:-
Anti-inflammatory effect: modification of inflammatory reactions via decrease in vasodilator prostaglandins.
Analgesic effect: reduction of certain sorts of pain via reduced sensitivity of nerves to certain inflammatory mediators.
Antipyretic effect: lowering of a raised temperature via decrease in a mediator prostaglandin which is responsible for elevating the hypothalamic temperature control
ReaperX
Well-known member
Something cool I found about PDE5 inhibitors. Inhibiting PDE5 creates a spillover effect and somehow affects PDE6. It turns out that PDE6 is used in the cone cells in the retina, so Viagra can have an effect on color vision. Many people who take Viagra notice a change in the way they perceive green and blue colors, or they see the world with a bluish tinge for several hours. For this reason, pilots cannot take Viagra within 12 hours of a flight.
celc5
Well-known member
Trauma, I always thought that chronic migraine vs. headaches were completely different in nature. Aren't there about 476 thousand different etiologies for headaches, in which case it would be unjust to retaliate someone's specific experience?
Reaper and poopy, the aspire sides subside for me after about 48 hours.
I've used Aspire twice. The first time at full dose and learned my lesson. The second time, I poked a hole in it with a pin and let equal number of drops go into 2 caps. I've used the 1/2 dose the second time and it worked just as well. Sinus congestion was still borderline unbearable but headaches were more tolerable.
To be honest, this stuff isn't for me. I feel that it has a negative impact on sensation, which defeats the whole purpose right? :think:
Reaper and poopy, the aspire sides subside for me after about 48 hours.
I've used Aspire twice. The first time at full dose and learned my lesson. The second time, I poked a hole in it with a pin and let equal number of drops go into 2 caps. I've used the 1/2 dose the second time and it worked just as well. Sinus congestion was still borderline unbearable but headaches were more tolerable.
To be honest, this stuff isn't for me. I feel that it has a negative impact on sensation, which defeats the whole purpose right? :think:
ReaperX
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celc5-
Tumors on the brain can also cause headaches. Inflammation is just one of many reasons for headaches. There are a lot of possibilities.
I used the free capsule, but it is definitly not for me. With the side effects, you'd have to be pretty desperate to use Aspire on a regular basis. HGW/Trib work just as well, minus the side effects.
Tumors on the brain can also cause headaches. Inflammation is just one of many reasons for headaches. There are a lot of possibilities.
I used the free capsule, but it is definitly not for me. With the side effects, you'd have to be pretty desperate to use Aspire on a regular basis. HGW/Trib work just as well, minus the side effects.
celc5
Well-known member
Well, I'm sure xfactor and aspire didn't give you a brain tumor so no need to worry about that :lol:
To be more specific, I was referring to RogerMoore's post. He got some things mixed up in terms of his own problem, which is why I wanted to clarify headache v. migraine.
Now in his defense, I did quite a bit of research on headaches in grad school. From most of the recent studies (say over the past 3-5 years) in the "The Journal of Headache", most seem to agree that inflammation does not appear to play a role in most typical chronic migraines.
Let's say your headache WAS in fact due to inflammation. In this case sticking your noggin in a bucket of ice should do the trick... see where I'm going with this?
To be more specific, I was referring to RogerMoore's post. He got some things mixed up in terms of his own problem, which is why I wanted to clarify headache v. migraine.
Now in his defense, I did quite a bit of research on headaches in grad school. From most of the recent studies (say over the past 3-5 years) in the "The Journal of Headache", most seem to agree that inflammation does not appear to play a role in most typical chronic migraines.
Let's say your headache WAS in fact due to inflammation. In this case sticking your noggin in a bucket of ice should do the trick... see where I'm going with this?
Trauma1
Legend
As pain is, headaches are subjective in nature. A headache can be classified as any head pain perceived by an individual. A migraine type headache(acute or chronic) is one of the MANY different classifications of headaches. There are many factors that can influence headaches(endogenous/exogenous) in general.
As i stated in my previous post, in order to achieve long term success with treatment the underlying issue(s) need to be addressed. Roger clearly stated that inflammation doesn't play a role in any "headache" pathology. That is incorrect. Maybe he generalized the term when he meant specifically a migraine headache(even if that's true it's still very arguable that inflammation plays a role in migraines). However, that's not the way i took it. I'm not retaliating or refuting anyones individual experience, so i'm not sure where you got that......
wrasslin116
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Great log Reaper! Thanks for droppin the link. Just got done reading thru the whole thing and learned alot.
ReaperX
Well-known member
Answering a question I got:
Q: What are your plans with X-Factor in the future and do you plan on running it again ?
A: X-Factor is a good sidekick, and I do plan on using it again in the future. Not to the extent of 4 bottles @ 6 gels/ED, but probably 2 bottles @ 4 gels/ED. Also too, I most likely will only use X-Factor again if I am running multiple anabolics at once vs. solo. It is hard for me to justify the cost of using X-Factor as a sole primary anabolic, esp. at the doses I have been using so far.
Q: What are your plans with X-Factor in the future and do you plan on running it again ?
A: X-Factor is a good sidekick, and I do plan on using it again in the future. Not to the extent of 4 bottles @ 6 gels/ED, but probably 2 bottles @ 4 gels/ED. Also too, I most likely will only use X-Factor again if I am running multiple anabolics at once vs. solo. It is hard for me to justify the cost of using X-Factor as a sole primary anabolic, esp. at the doses I have been using so far.
poopypants
Banned
the fact we dont know though would deter me from doing so.... who knows if your even getting an effective dose?
Anyone tight with a Gasp. Nut. rep that could divluge such info?
Anyone tight with a Gasp. Nut. rep that could divluge such info?
poopypants
Banned
what about the pain in my legs that I was/kinda am still, feeling?
I almost think it might have been extreme vasodialation in that region as well... but it lasted much longer then my headaches did, I wonder if I almost injured them by over expanding them???
either way i finally just discontinued ALL supplementation cept Cissus and fishoils. I dropped Cit. malate, AEE, BA, SDNG all and since Ive felt it subside considerably... almost no pain at all today. I wonder If these other supps were keeping a constant lower amount of dialation on my already stressed veins and arteries in my uper thigh and hip region?
opinions?
Trauma1
Legend
How severe is the pain poops? Is it a dull ache pain? Honestly buddy, it very well could be attributed to excessive systemic vasodilation that's causing your pain. How long ago did you d/c supplementation? I'd take it easy over the next few days and gauge any improvement at that point. It's tough to say, but excessive stimulus(constriction) or dilation of vascualture would be my best guess as to the cause of the pain. If it doen't resolve in a day of two i'd follow up with your pmd. Let me know what happens buddy.
poopypants
Banned
well yesterday was the first day i discontinued everything, it was a lil better but i still HAD to take somehting for the pain.... it really wasnt so dull, more a constant moderate ache, wasnt specific to muscle contraction or not too so i know it wasnt DOMS and didnt even feel like it. today was the second day, I havnt had but small periods of time where it was a very small dull pain but for the most part its been ok.... hopefully it contiinues this way and tomorrow will just be gone. Ill keep off everything likely for the rest of this week but we'll see how good I feel, might start back sooner given I will most likely get my Xfactor this week and already have the new Mass FX sittin in front of me... we'll see though.
Trauma1
Legend
I'm glad to see it's a little better today poops. I think we've likely found the source of the problem . Update us tomorrow. Can't wait to see your x-factor/Mass FX log!!
ReaperX
Well-known member
Anyone want to make a guess on how effective Orastan-A @ 150mg/ED at stopping catabolism and preserving muscle ?
I seem to be very,very prone to losing muscle on a cut.
My friend is doing something similar with Furazadrol and is not having much success with it. I can only note what I see and what he tells me, so that is open to speculation.
I seem to be very,very prone to losing muscle on a cut.
My friend is doing something similar with Furazadrol and is not having much success with it. I can only note what I see and what he tells me, so that is open to speculation.
ReaperX
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I ordered some PlasmaJet, and it should be here by Sat. I'll be out of town till Sunday, so I probably will try it when I get back. We'll see how it goes. I decided to give that a whirl, since it mainly is a pump agent, and not a muscle building anabolic per se. Hopefully the alleged '2 years' in development dosen't wind up being a total waste. So far reviews have sucked for this product.
Bruce Kneller's menage was pretty interesting in the product write up. Must have been a subtle marketing angle they were playing.
Stay Tuned.
Bruce Kneller's menage was pretty interesting in the product write up. Must have been a subtle marketing angle they were playing.
Stay Tuned.
celc5
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Your posts thoroughly entertian me
Why in the world would you buy something if the reviews have sucked?Do some searches for Furazadrol logs concerning the Orastan A. You'll probably have to venture to other boards where this is a more popular compound as I rarely see reliable feedback on this product on AM. It gets expensive to run it high enough and long enough to get results.
ReaperX
Well-known member
Your posts thoroughly entertian me
Do some searches for Furazadrol logs concerning the Orastan A. You'll probably have to venture to other boards where this is a more popular compound as I rarely see reliable feedback on this product on AM. It gets expensive to run it high enough and long enough to get results.
Yeah I know what you mean, and I don't have anything to rebuke that statement. I've been anxious to try it out based on the research that have been done on the product. The majority of PlasmaJet's write up has been accurate for the most part, and I just couldn't help myself but buy it. For the lower price, I was enticed in, but not at the GNC price.
I've heard multiple things about Orastan-A (Furazadrol). Some claims like Furazadrol is 2x strong as Zol, and effective dosing is around 200mg-300mg.
I'm probably going to try and do a 50mg,50mg,50mg throughout the day evenly spaced. I just need something that will tip me in a more anabolic state and be able to keep me there sufficiently.
ImJ2x
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OK, considering the products I have on hand, here's what I'm contemplating:
5 bottles of Syntrax Hyper-H, w/90 caps @ 200mg ArA each (Sorry MN, I had no clue about the lawsuit when I bought it for $10/bottle on clearance.)
5 bottles of 1,4-Andro, also w/90 caps @ 200mg 1,4-AD each
This makes the cycle pretty simple: 6 caps each per day = 1200mg ArA + 1200mg 1,4-AD per day, for 75 days. I'll have to research 1,4-Andro a little more to determine a proper post cycle therapy.
I'd love to hear some opinions (particularly from you, Reaper) regarding the "symmetry" and effectiveness of this stack. If I could get 10+ lbs of quality LBM from this stack, I'd be thrilled.
5 bottles of Syntrax Hyper-H, w/90 caps @ 200mg ArA each (Sorry MN, I had no clue about the lawsuit when I bought it for $10/bottle on clearance.)
5 bottles of 1,4-Andro, also w/90 caps @ 200mg 1,4-AD each
This makes the cycle pretty simple: 6 caps each per day = 1200mg ArA + 1200mg 1,4-AD per day, for 75 days. I'll have to research 1,4-Andro a little more to determine a proper post cycle therapy.
I'd love to hear some opinions (particularly from you, Reaper) regarding the "symmetry" and effectiveness of this stack. If I could get 10+ lbs of quality LBM from this stack, I'd be thrilled.