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Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (A-AKG)

MrBrightside

MrBrightside

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Simple question- legit pre-workout supplement or not? Wondering if I should crack the seal on this bottle and use it.
 
I get mine in bulk from NutraPlanet. Stuff gives me unbelievable pumps. I take 1 heaping teaspoon in a glass of water about 20 minutes before I start my workout.
 
It's the main ingredient in most NO products. Great pump and definitely a lot cheaper in bulk and lasts a long time.
 
i have never used the bulk powder, but it has been in some of the blends i have used and produced good results
 
It appears that AAKG should only be taken pre-workout, only on the days that you DO workout. Regular L-arginine has to be taken everyday it seems, making it more inconvient.


For a 'cheap' pump, I will do:

6-7g of AAKG
1,000mg of Vitamin C

^I take this ONLY on days that I workout.


---------then if you want---------
5g of Beta-Alanine
5g of Creatine Monohydrate
5g of Citrulline
25g Waxy Maize
 
ReaperX said:
It appears that AAKG should only be taken pre-workout, only on the days that you DO workout. Regular L-arginine has to be taken everyday it seems, making it more inconvient.


For a 'cheap' pump, I will do:

6-7g of AAKG
1,000mg of Vitamin C

^I take this ONLY on days that I workout.


---------then if you want---------
5g of Beta-Alanine
5g of Creatine Monohydrate
5g of Citrulline
25g Waxy Maize
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Yea get some anti-oxidents in there and isn't Vit C suppose to make the pump effect more pronounced because of this? I know CMI makes N03 Overload is tabs and adds in anti-oxidents to help with the free radicals NO2 can produce.
 
Distilled Water said:
Yea get some anti-oxidents in there and isn't Vit C suppose to make the pump effect more pronounced because of this? I know CMI makes N03 Overload is tabs and adds in anti-oxidents to help with the free radicals NO2 can produce.
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Anti-oxidants is good for free-radical control. Vitamin C is supposed to 'extend' the pump over a long window, thus making it more effective. You could put more anti-oxidants if you wanted too, but Vitamin C is cheap, plus it also has additive effects other than just an anti-oxidant.



I've done this several times, but if you go to Wal-Mart, they have this brand called 'Body Fortress' and makes 'Super NOS Pump.'

It is relatively inexpensive and manuf. in the US. I just throw back between 3-6 tablets and a 1,000mg Vitamin C tablet about 45min-1hr before working out. This is about as cheap as it gets.
 
MrBrightside; said:
Simple question- legit pre-workout supplement or not? Wondering if I should crack the seal on this bottle and use it.
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Like creatine, arginine bonded to any of the Krebs Cycle intermediate such as citrate, fumarate, malate, succinate, and alpha ketoglutarate, or compounds involved indirectly in the energy cycle, for instance, orotate, pyruvate, and so on, yields improved absorption, bioavailability, and potency.

Consequently, arginine alpha ketoglutarate should be an arginine supplement of choice. You will get all the endothelial-lining-support and vasoldilation properties of arginine plus a number of cool benefits of alpha ketoglutarate (AKG), such as more arginine stability, bioavailability and absorption. Furthermore, alpha ketoglutarate will serve as a transport medium for arginine, making it directly available at the cellular levels for optimal synthesis. Beyond this, alpha ketoglutarate improves the endogenous production of of glutamine and glutamic acid, both important for muscle growth and for the immune system. AKG also binds to toxic ammonia in muscle cells, in the liver, and in the brain, thereby converting ammonia into glutamic acid, improving glutamine levels and assisting in elimination of toxic ammonia from the body. Lastly, as a Krebs Cycle intermediate, AKG improves VO2 Max and energy metabolism in muscle cells, and is consequently a potent ergogenic.

Arginine alpha ketoglutarate all the way!
 
Brolic; said:
what about aee
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Esterification (as in arginine ethyl ester) or bonding with alpha ketoglutarate (as in arginine alpha ketoglutarate) overcomes the typical arginine limitations, ensuring that arginine absorbs optimally and is available for its ergogenic properties. So, you basically need less of arginine ethyl ester or arginine alpha ketoglutarate, compared to base arginine to produce better results than base arginine.

I'll prefer arginine alpha ketoglutarate, though.
 
I prefer AAKG simply because is it mostly tasteless and effective.
 
ReaperX said:
It appears that AAKG should only be taken pre-workout, only on the days that you DO workout. Regular L-arginine has to be taken everyday it seems, making it more inconvient.


For a 'cheap' pump, I will do:

6-7g of AAKG
1,000mg of Vitamin C

^I take this ONLY on days that I workout.


---------then if you want---------
5g of Beta-Alanine
5g of Creatine Monohydrate
5g of Citrulline
25g Waxy Maize
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This works out perfectly with my taking 5g mono w/ grape juice (vitamin c and glucose) and then taking the AAKG.

ReaperX said:
Anti-oxidants is good for free-radical control. Vitamin C is supposed to 'extend' the pump over a long window, thus making it more effective. You could put more anti-oxidants if you wanted too, but Vitamin C is cheap, plus it also has additive effects other than just an anti-oxidant.



I've done this several times, but if you go to Wal-Mart, they have this brand called 'Body Fortress' and makes 'Super NOS Pump.'

It is relatively inexpensive and manuf. in the US. I just throw back between 3-6 tablets and a 1,000mg Vitamin C tablet about 45min-1hr before working out. This is about as cheap as it gets.
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That's the brand I bought. Have you heard of their fantastic-looking pre-workout powder called "Super NOS Blast" (not to be confused with the inferior Precision Engineered "NOS Blast" product at vitamin world)? The ingredients are stacked, and, since it's Body Fortress, I'm guessing it's relatively cheap. I hear fruit punch tastes great, too. They don't carry it at my Walmart, nor can you order their products from their site; do they have it at your local walmart?

strategicmove said:
Like creatine, arginine bonded to any of the Krebs Cycle intermediate such as citrate, fumarate, malate, succinate, and alpha ketoglutarate, or compounds involved indirectly in the energy cycle, for instance, orotate, pyruvate, and so on, yields improved absorption, bioavailability, and potency.

Consequently, arginine alpha ketoglutarate should be an arginine supplement of choice. You will get all the endothelial-lining-support and vasoldilation properties of arginine plus a number of cool benefits of alpha ketoglutarate (AKG), such as more arginine stability, bioavailability and absorption. Furthermore, alpha ketoglutarate will serve as a transport medium for arginine, making it directly available at the cellular levels for optimal synthesis. Beyond this, alpha ketoglutarate improves the endogenous production of of glutamine and glutamic acid, both important for muscle growth and for the immune system. AKG also binds to toxic ammonia in muscle cells, in the liver, and in the brain, thereby converting ammonia into glutamic acid, improving glutamine levels and assisting in elimination of toxic ammonia from the body. Lastly, as a Krebs Cycle intermediate, AKG improves VO2 Max and energy metabolism in muscle cells, and is consequently a potent ergogenic.

Arginine alpha ketoglutarate all the way!
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Great info, definitely taking them tomorrow.
 
why shouldnt AAKG be taken on non workout days? I ususually take 5 grams in the morn and then 5 grams before workouts for 6 weeks. I used to use the expenisive GNC NO2 product a while back and had great results. Turns out i can make my own for 80 bucks cheaper.
 
Whats the point of taking a pump product on non-workout days? 10g a day is a bit over kill if you ask me.
I don't like taking it before bed just well cause whats the point. Might even keep me awake.
 
im 6-2 220. i thought u needed to take it on non workout days to keep levels up? Im not really sure i think i may have read that a while back. I only take one day off from training every seven so i just take it on that one day anyway
 
I guess you could take it on workout days but I just prefer to take it on workout days only to save money. Even for your weight I still think 10g is a lot. I usually take about 3-5g with 200mg Caffeine and about a gram of Taurine before I workout. Adjust your tolerance start low and bring yourself up and I guess if you need 10g then keep it there.
 
pavb10 said:
im 6-2 220. i thought u needed to take it on non workout days to keep levels up? Im not really sure i think i may have read that a while back. I only take one day off from training every seven so i just take it on that one day anyway
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That's not how NO works...you dont want chronically elevated levels of NO...trust me.
 
haha yeah i get enough of that in school. what exactly is a free radical as it pertains to the body though i hear it a lot?
 
pavb10 said:
haha yeah i get enough of that in school. what exactly is a free radical as it pertains to the body though i hear it a lot?
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Basically, it is a cleaved molecule floating around in the body. This is something that you do not want to have prolonged, elevated levels of due to it's effects on performance, recovery, etc.
 
I've seen the Super NOS Blast which is the Wal-mart powder version. I haven't tried it before, as their tub is around $30.00 or so if I remember correctly which is kinda steep, esp. at Wal-mart.


Agree, no point in taking NO supps. on non-workout days due to free radicals. Someone beat me to it already.
 
BigNemo; said:
may taste like crap but it works better than aakg, in my humble opinion.
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Why do you think so?

Esterification (as in arginine ethyl ester) or bonding with alpha ketoglutarate (as in arginine alpha ketoglutarate) would promote absorption, stability, and bioavailability. But beyond this, alpha ketoglutarate has many other properties that esterification would not deliver. Examples may include enhanced glutamin/glutamic-acid synthesis; elimination of ammonia in muscle, liver, and brain cells; and improvement of VO2 Max and energy metabolism in muscle cells.
 
Distilled Water; said:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to strategicmove again.
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Thanks, DW :D
 
ok I ordered nutraplanets aakg yesterday, can I mix it in with my cm pre workout or do I need to drink another glass with just aakg?
 
cokeholio; said:
ok I ordered nutraplanets aakg yesterday, can I mix it in with my cm pre workout or do I need to drink another glass with just aakg?
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AAKG can be mixed with CM (citrulline malate or creatine monohydrate) pre-workout.
 
I do understand the other benefits of aakg but for pump I never felt it was "ALL THAT" I just seem to get better pumps off aee.
 
BigNemo; said:
I do understand the other benefits of aakg but for pump I never felt it was "ALL THAT" I just seem to get better pumps off aee.
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At the same doses?
 
i got mine in and opened it, took it yesterday with my creatine mono 1 tsp of each in my grape juice and went to working out like 10 mins later. i did have a good pump after the workout and throughout most of the day so i guess its working today is a off day so i havent had it today
 
Rodja said:
Basically, it is a cleaved molecule floating around in the body. This is something that you do not want to have prolonged, elevated levels of due to it's effects on performance, recovery, etc.
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I've been looking for this thread to find this very valid point that i think is worth mentioning and bumping.
 
Dude, you got NO on the brain tonight? I thought I had been transported back to 2003 what I peeked in the supplement forum tonight, what with all the aakg/no/citrulline threads being bumped.
 
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