Careful with that AX! Pheraplex Log

What's the reasoning for getting "fancy" with a bridge and not just dropping the light compound for the heavy? For example, assuming the CEL clones are being used:

Fancy:
Wk 1 PP15
Wk 2 PP30
Wk 3 PP45
Wk 4 PP15 SD 10
Wk 5 SD 20
Wk 6 SD 20 or 30

Not Fancy:
Wk 1 PP15
Wk 2 PP30
Wk 3 PP45
Wk 4 SD 10-20
Wk 5 SD 20-30
Wk 6 SD 20-30 (optional)
 
the second is not a "bridge" its a stack.... of sorts.

The idea behind a brigde is to allow the second compound to begin to kick in and be at almost full effect when you drop off the first compound. By running it the second way you posted you will hit a down point where hormones wont neccesarily be effected too negatively but gains will def suffer for that period of transition waiting for the second compound to really kick in and take effect.

Was that understandable, dunno how clear i wrote that?
 
I also wouldnt go as low as 15mg for the transition part, thats why these 15mg pills arent really great for defined doses IMO. I like the idea of dropping it to 20mg while the SD is at 10mg then taking SD up to 20mg after that.
 
poopypants; Phera(1-4) 10/20/30/20 Prostan(1-4)50/75/75/100 superdrol(4-6)10/30/30 I like thundergods set up more though and would have run it that way but still added prostan the first 4 weeks if i had to do it over.[/QUOTE said:
I really think bassgod would like the phera 3 weeks at 30 mg. per day and week 4 being the bridge to lower the phera down to 20 mg. while adding the superdrol at 10 mg. then weeks 5-8 go with 20 mg. of superdrol per day. Bassgod, I promise you will love this.
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thundergod said:
I really think bassgod would like the phera 3 weeks at 30 mg. per day and week 4 being the bridge to lower the phera down to 20 mg. while adding the superdrol at 10 mg. then weeks 5-8 go with 20 mg. of superdrol per day. Bassgod, I promise you will love this.
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very much agreed. :goodpost:
 
Poopy, good explanation. That makes sense and is congruent with Thundergod's suggested plan.

During the "transition" week, why taper the initial compound? Why not keep phera at 30 during week 4 and just add in 10mg of super? Then drop phera during week 5 and go with 20 mg of super.
 
thundergod said:
I really think bassgod would like the phera 3 weeks at 30 mg. per day and week 4 being the bridge to lower the phera down to 20 mg. while adding the superdrol at 10 mg. then weeks 5-8 go with 20 mg. of superdrol per day. Bassgod, I promise you will love this.
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I shouldnt go with the super for weeks 5-6 since i'd already be running it for 1 week along with the PP? I have always had the idea that a 3 weeker of super was ideal since gains stop after 3 weeks and with something more harsh, why run it longer if it isn't needed? Does this consensus differ when talking about a bridge cycle? Again, thanks for the help guys.
 
bassgod272 said:
I shouldnt go with the super for weeks 5-6 since i'd already be running it for 1 week along with the PP? I have always had the idea that a 3 weeker of super was ideal since gains stop after 3 weeks and with something more harsh, why run it longer if it isn't needed? Does this consensus differ when talking about a bridge cycle? Again, thanks for the help guys.
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Reread thunder's set up. I think he already has it that way bro. Week 4 is the super bridge and week 5/6 are the 2nd and 3rd week. You can always stop early if you wanted, or if you smarter than me, you'd have an extra freakin bottle lying around... SOB I should have had 3 bottles of PP to run it 50mg for the last 10 days :rant:
 
bassgod272 said:
I shouldnt go with the super for weeks 5-6 since i'd already be running it for 1 week along with the PP? I have always had the idea that a 3 weeker of super was ideal since gains stop after 3 weeks and with something more harsh, why run it longer if it isn't needed? Does this consensus differ when talking about a bridge cycle? Again, thanks for the help guys.
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Yeah, Bassgod, I said you should run the superdrol after the 1 week bridge with the phera.You really can't count week 4(the bridge) as a week "on" superdrol. Because it's only for 10 mg. of superdrol. Therefore I suggest you stay with my plan and run the superdrol at 20 mg. per day for 3 weeks AFTER the bridge week. Understand? Have any questions? Feel free to ask. But I know you will like and profit from this run!
 
thundergod said:
I really think bassgod would like the phera 3 weeks at 30 mg. per day and week 4 being the bridge to lower the phera down to 20 mg. while adding the superdrol at 10 mg. then weeks 5-8 go with 20 mg. of superdrol per day. Bassgod, I promise you will love this.
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I will run the super at 10mg bridged with phera at 20mg during week 4. Weeks 5-6 I will continue the super at 20mg. I do not want to run super weeks 4-8 noooo wayyy. :nono:
 
Disregard my last post, lol. Ok thundergod, i get it now. I've just read all over that super is really harsh and assumed at even only 10mg a day for 1 week, i should count that as being "on" it. I have never taken it before, so who am I to say how harsh it even is really. I will take your advice then and run it like you suggested. :) Gonna be sickkkk:twisted:
 
Bassgod, no need to micro manage dosages pre cycle. Just have a picture in your head of what to expect so that sides don't catch you off gaurd. Give yourself the option to cut the cycle short or extend it, making the decision as you go.
 
celc5 said:
Poopy, good explanation. That makes sense and is congruent with Thundergod's suggested plan.

During the "transition" week, why taper the initial compound? Why not keep phera at 30 during week 4 and just add in 10mg of super? Then drop phera during week 5 and go with 20 mg of super.
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the reason being for dropping the initial compound is purely casue of the fact that that high of a dose of methyls is harsh on your liver. You also dont know what the interaction of the metabolites created by both these compounds could do, sometimes metabolites can be more hepatoxic then the compound itself.

the lowered dose allows for you to maintain progression though as long as it isnt dropped too low thats why TG and I keep suggesting 20mg and I said earlier I didnt like the 15mg pills for this same reason, 30mg is too much and 15 is too little.
 
poopypants said:
the reason being for dropping the initial compound is purely casue of the fact that that high of a dose of methyls is harsh on your liver. You also dont know what the interaction of the metabolites created by both these compounds could do, sometimes metabolites can be more hepatoxic then the compound itself.

the lowered dose allows for you to maintain progression though as long as it isnt dropped too low thats why TG and I keep suggesting 20mg and I said earlier I didnt like the 15mg pills for this same reason, 30mg is too much and 15 is too little.
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Looks like i'll be picking up some original AX Phera then :) I know where I can still get some, so I will be able to do the 20mg dosage just fine. This also means that i'll still have 2 bottles of CEL P-Plex for later down the road, sweet.
 
bassgod272 said:
Looks like i'll be picking up some original AX Phera then :) I know where I can still get some, so I will be able to do the 20mg dosage just fine. This also means that i'll still have 2 bottles of CEL P-Plex for later down the road, sweet.
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I think thats very wise for your first phera cycle, later on down the road youll know how you react to higher dosages and should be able to take advantage of the larger dosed pills knowing your range.... still wouldnt hurt to grab 2 of the AX ones iff you had the dough so you could really play with doses in the future like take 25mg, 35mg and 40mg doses that would really be nice way to find your sweet spot.
 
celc5 said:
Bassgod, no need to micro manage dosages pre cycle. Just have a picture in your head of what to expect so that sides don't catch you off gaurd. Give yourself the option to cut the cycle short or extend it, making the decision as you go.
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so true. thats why its best to start low and ramp. "Luckily" the worst sides tend to crop up fast, like high blood pressure or back pumps, so you'll know really soon if you are affected by them. Worth mentioning that the first few weeks you should check your blood pressure after taking your dose but before working out. Pop into a grocery store or walgreens on the way to the gym. If you can't check it then, try and check it at least 2-3 hours after waking and at least 3-4 hours after working out. its not necessarily as "visible" a side as some others, but if you are to be affected it will happen pretty much right away.
 
bassgod272 said:
Looks like i'll be picking up some original AX Phera then :) I know where I can still get some, so I will be able to do the 20mg dosage just fine. This also means that i'll still have 2 bottles of CEL P-Plex for later down the road, sweet.
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Hey Bassgod--- You can still use your 15 mg. pills for the first 3 weeks at 30 mg. per day. You'd just have to take it in 2 divided doses per day. Then on the bridge week (week4) use the AX 10 mg. pills. I'm trying to save you some money on this one. You can save the rest of the AX phera for a later time. By the way,when are you gonna start this cycle? I'm like 3 weeks away myself from doing a pure phera cycle. So we can converse about progress and watch each other's back on sides and so forth. ODIN BLESS!!!
 
bassgod272 said:
Disregard my last post, lol. Ok thundergod, i get it now. I've just read all over that super is really harsh and assumed at even only 10mg a day for 1 week, i should count that as being "on" it. I have never taken it before, so who am I to say how harsh it even is really. I will take your advice then and run it like you suggested. :) Gonna be sickkkk:twisted:
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Bassgod--- I want to comment on this one also. You're gonna find different people who are gonna say super is so much harsher than phera. And then you're gonna hear others say that phera is the harsh one. Everybody's different and react differently to different compounds. I, personally, think the phera is the harsh one. It IS more andogenic than anabolic whereas super is much more anabolic than androgenic. But everyone has their own opinion. You ARE gonna be fine on this cycle. We ALL are watching out for you. Let us know of any worries you have on cycle. ODIN'S LOVE TO ALL!!!
 
thundergod said:
Hey Bassgod--- You can still use your 15 mg. pills for the first 3 weeks at 30 mg. per day. You'd just have to take it in 2 divided doses per day. Then on the bridge week (week4) use the AX 10 mg. pills. I'm trying to save you some money on this one. You can save the rest of the AX phera for a later time. By the way,when are you gonna start this cycle? I'm like 3 weeks away myself from doing a pure phera cycle. So we can converse about progress and watch each other's back on sides and so forth. ODIN BLESS!!!
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UNFORTUNATELY I won't be starting mine until the middle of March or so. I had just finished a pulse cycle of epistane and started post cycle therapy on Jan.25 It was a pulse and honestly the day i stopped, I started getting random wood again, so I don't think a post cycle therapy is even necessary, but i'm just running MassFX and Drive as my "ptc." Def. no nolv was needed on this IMO. My pulse was 8 weeks, that is why i'm waiting until March. I just don't want to run the KICK A$$ cycle with Phera and Super bridged and have my receptors not react very well because I did not wait long enough between cycles. Thanks for all the advice thundergod, you da man.
 
bassgod272 said:
UNFORTUNATELY I won't be starting mine until the middle of March or so. I had just finished a pulse cycle of epistane and started post cycle therapy on Jan.25 It was a pulse and honestly the day i stopped, I started getting random wood again, so I don't think a post cycle therapy is even necessary, but i'm just running MassFX and Drive as my "ptc." Def. no nolv was needed on this IMO. My pulse was 8 weeks, that is why i'm waiting until March. I just don't want to run the KICK A$$ cycle with Phera and Super bridged and have my receptors not react very well because I did not wait long enough between cycles. Thanks for all the advice thundergod, you da man.
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No,Bassgod,YOU da man! I may wait until March myself. I'm having the best PCT ever! The transdermal formestane/trione combo, testofen,longjak,resveratrol, and Icariin(20%) is going Wunderbar! I might just keep on this ride for awhile longer. I just finished my workout and it was balls to the wall! RockON!!
 
Day 31

Poopy, I hadn't thought of the metabolite toxicity issue. Interesting.

Day 31

Yesterday's workout was sick. I did a mostly dumbell variation for chest/tri/shouders as inspired by EasyJL from last week. After about 4 or 5 weeks of my own split, I'm trying to mix things up to keep myself motivated in this last week of my cycle to ensure good workouts.

Pumps (not back pumps) are so strong that I'm cramping during workouts in weird places like rotator cuff and triceps. It's annoying because it forces me to take longer rest between sets than I'd like and eliminates the option for drop sets. I don't suspect lack of water as the culprit as I'm taking in about 2 gallons and "back pump" symptoms are minimal.

Libido is up and down, but not to an alarming degree. If I were to guess at what's going on, I'd say the formestane is counteracting what would be a slightly suppressed libido from the phera.

I have a zit!!! :head: It's a little bugger named "Doug" just below my chin... Chris Griffin named him for me :lol:

I changed my dosing schedule this week per advice that I've recieved regarding S-adenyl:

8am SamE 400mg
11am PP 20mg
2pm salymarin
5 or 6pm PP 20mg
10 or 11pm Salymarin

The SamE does seem to help with the struggle to wake up in the morning. It also just slightly helps with mood now that I'm taking it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning. If it weren't so dang expensive, I'd completely drop all other liver supports and strictly utilize Sam-E.
 
thundergod said:
No,Bassgod,YOU da man! I may wait until March myself. I'm having the best post cycle therapy ever! The transdermal formestane/trione combo, testofen,longjak,resveratrol, and Icariin(20%) is going Wunderbar! I might just keep on this ride for awhile longer. I just finished my workout and it was balls to the wall! RockON!!
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FAWK YA BOYEEEES! If all goes right I may be starting a 6 week 4-AD base with AX Phera to ALRI M-TRN mid march as well! That cycle should be nothing but sick gains and sick strength! specially the two overlapping weeks where Ill be On phera and M-trn AND 4-AD (trans @400mg btw) should be utterly insane considering its right when 4-AD does starts its magic Phera will still be going strong and M-TRN literally kicked in full bore for me in 3 days when I logged it upon its release!!!! GAINS, WHAT!?!?

:twisted: "Gotta" run Mass FX MAX and X-factor sponsored log first and Im 192 now so hopefully by the end of this planned cycle Ill be a dandy 210+ :head: If Im not its def not all the compounds fault... but I got my shiii in check!

sorry for the OT there Celc, just get excited even thinking bout it.
 
poopypants said:
FAWK YA BOYEEEES! If all goes right I may be starting a 6 week 4-AD base with AX Phera to ALRI M-TRN mid march as well! That cycle should be nothing but sick gains and sick strength! specially the two overlapping weeks where Ill be On phera and M-trn AND 4-AD (trans @400mg btw) should be utterly insane considering its right when 4-AD does starts its magic Phera will still be going strong and M-TRN literally kicked in full bore for me in 3 days when I logged it upon its release!!!! GAINS, WHAT!?!?

:twisted: "Gotta" run Mass FX MAX and X-factor sponsored log first and Im 192 now so hopefully by the end of this planned cycle Ill be a dandy 210+ :head: If Im not its def not all the compounds fault... but I got my shiii in check!

sorry for the OT there Celc, just get excited even thinking bout it.
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That should be a sweet ass stack poops! Wish i could get some of that 4-AD:whiner:
 
thundergod said:
No,Bassgod,YOU da man! I may wait until March myself. I'm having the best post cycle therapy ever! The transdermal formestane/trione combo, testofen,longjak,resveratrol, and Icariin(20%) is going Wunderbar! I might just keep on this ride for awhile longer. I just finished my workout and it was balls to the wall! RockON!!
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Awesome, good to hear your PCT is going so well and workouts are balls to the wall. For my next PCT I will definitely use the TD Form/trione combo since so many people have been raving about it. Does it have any awkward smell though? February needs to pass because now you guys have me all excited about Phera/Superdrol, lol.
 
you can add certain essential oils which can not only mask the smell, but add value as well

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Poop awesome plan bro. You're talkin bout the Methoxy TRN right? I've seen it REDICULOUSLY cheap on some sites

Hman, it's getting tougher by the day to get your hands on. Oh well, there's always new options.

Easy, that's interesting stuff. I personally don't mind the oragne peel smell of form/penetrate or eform. But, the chicks don't dig it at all so I really let it air dry and try to mist the cologne.
 
poopypants said:
FAWK YA BOYEEEES! If all goes right I may be starting a 6 week 4-AD base with AX Phera to ALRI M-TRN mid march as well! That cycle should be nothing but sick gains and sick strength! specially the two overlapping weeks where Ill be On phera and M-trn AND 4-AD (trans @400mg btw) should be utterly insane considering its right when 4-AD does starts its magic Phera will still be going strong and M-TRN literally kicked in full bore for me in 3 days when I logged it upon its release!!!! GAINS, WHAT!?!?

:twisted: "Gotta" run Mass FX MAX and X-factor sponsored log first and Im 192 now so hopefully by the end of this planned cycle Ill be a dandy 210+ :head: If Im not its def not all the compounds fault... but I got my shiii in check!

sorry for the OT there Celc, just get excited even thinking bout it.
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DAMN!! That looks good. I haven't been around much, but this looks outstanding!!!
 
milwood said:
...careful with that ax, Eugene.......

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Ha! That's 2 that "get" it :head: Actually, it's an indirect reference to a Rush bootleg called "Careful with that Axe Alex" which is probably a reference to Pink Floyd. Welcome bro!
 
celc5 said:
Poop awesome plan bro. You're talkin bout the Methoxy TRN right? I've seen it REDICULOUSLY cheap on some sites

Hman, it's getting tougher by the day to get your hands on. Oh well, there's always new options.

Easy, that's interesting stuff. I personally don't mind the oragne peel smell of form/penetrate or eform. But, the chicks don't dig it at all so I really let it air dry and try to mist the cologne.
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Do you mean the original ALRI version? If so are these reliable sites? you should def snag some up, you only need 2/3 the rec dosage(and theres 90pills) to see absolutely steller strength gains, not big on mass but insane strength and would be perfect to stack with wet compounds to keep em lean and buiilding quick.... kinda like what its namesake is known for... Trenbolone. so 2 bottles would give you 3 POTENT cycles.
 
[QUOTE=bassgod272;. For my next PCT I will definitely use the TD Form/trione combo since so many people have been raving about it. Does it have any awkward smell though? No, Bassgod, it smells great. Like love! Really though, it smells very citrus-like. My wife has never complained. I can't wait to smell it again. Oh, I just took it about an hour ago. Guess I'll HAVE to wait. You will love this stuff!
 
For those of familiar with HST, or for those of you who are curious, here's the infancy of my post cycle training plan: Invalid Link Removed

If you're not familiar with HST, I suggest stopping by that thread as I have Sfearl's attention. He's pretty solid with HST knowledge base so this would be a good thread to ask questions.

Poopy, yup. ALRI methoxy TRN for like 7 or 8 pounds, not sure how that converts to US dollars though. Last I saw, it was in stock too :think: You know the site I'm talking about?

Thundergod, I have a female friend who REALLY frowns on my supplments. So I turn things around my telling her that every single supp I take is a steroid or HGH, especially when she sees my eform bottles. So, I take em right in front of her and then flex and grunt. She laughs and forgets to be mad after that :lol:
 
celc5 said:
For those of familiar with HST, or for those of you who are curious, here's the infancy of my post cycle training plan: Invalid Link Removed

If you're not familiar with HST, I suggest stopping by that thread as I have Sfearl's attention. He's pretty solid with HST knowledge base so this would be a good thread to ask questions.

Poopy, yup. ALRI methoxy TRN for like 7 or 8 pounds, not sure how that converts to US dollars though. Last I saw, it was in stock too :think: You know the site I'm talking about?

Thundergod, I have a female friend who REALLY frowns on my supplments. So I turn things around my telling her that every single supp I take is a steroid or HGH, especially when she sees my eform bottles. So, I take em right in front of her and then flex and grunt. She laughs and forgets to be mad after that :lol:
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Is she already in your stable of horses, or next on the list to conquer? :lol:
 
celc5 said:
For those of familiar with HST, or for those of you who are curious, here's the infancy of my post cycle training plan: Invalid Link Removed

If you're not familiar with HST, I suggest stopping by that thread as I have Sfearl's attention. He's pretty solid with HST knowledge base so this would be a good thread to ask questions.

Poopy, yup. ALRI methoxy TRN for like 7 or 8 pounds, not sure how that converts to US dollars though. Last I saw, it was in stock too :think: You know the site I'm talking about?

Thundergod, I have a female friend who REALLY frowns on my supplments. So I turn things around my telling her that every single supp I take is a steroid or HGH, especially when she sees my eform bottles. So, I take em right in front of her and then flex and grunt. She laughs and forgets to be mad after that :lol:
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Hey celc5---I think 7 or 9 pounds would equal about $15 USD. And yeah, my wife doesn't seem to understand why I take so many supps. Like right now on PCT I'm taking the trans form/trione combo,resveratrol,testofen,Icariin(20%),muira puama, and of course whey,fish oil,flax oil, multi's,niacin,B6,zinc, and melatonin. After I run out of a lot of these I won't be replacing them. Like the test boosters. I'm with you, they just don't seem to work, or at least work well enough to justify the costs. I'm only 5 days into the testofen though, giving it a trial run. Trying to find some natural test booster that works. Ain't easy!
 
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Hey celc5---I think 7 or 9 pounds would equal about $15 USD. And yeah, my wife doesn't seem to understand why I take so many supps. Like right now on post cycle therapy I'm taking the trans form/trione combo,resveratrol,testofen,Icariin(20%),muira puama, and of course whey,fish oil,flax oil, multi's,niacin,B6,zinc, and melatonin. After I run out of a lot of these I won't be replacing them. Like the test boosters. I'm with you, they just don't seem to work, or at least work well enough to justify the costs. I'm only 5 days into the testofen though, giving it a trial run. Trying to find some natural test booster that works. Ain't easy!
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Hey Thundergod Try Diesel Test hardcore everyone is supposed to be loving that as a test booster:thumbsup:
 
hman85 said:
Hey Thundergod Try Diesel Test hardcore everyone is supposed to be loving that as a test booster:thumbsup:
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hman85--- thanks for the tip. Even though I haven't tried DTH, I have taken most of the ingredients in there. It's just like celc5 said, most of these natty test boosters just don't work well at all. I'm 5 days into the testofen, so I will give it a chance first. I'm probably just gonna stay with things I know work. Of course, superdrol, phera-plex, tren, amd my beloved form/trione combo. But I might give DTH a run in the future. Thanks!
 
celc5 said:
For those of familiar with HST, or for those of you who are curious, here's the infancy of my post cycle training plan: Invalid Link Removed

If you're not familiar with HST, I suggest stopping by that thread as I have Sfearl's attention. He's pretty solid with HST knowledge base so this would be a good thread to ask questions.

Poopy, yup. ALRI methoxy TRN for like 7 or 8 pounds, not sure how that converts to US dollars though. Last I saw, it was in stock too :think: You know the site I'm talking about?

Thundergod, I have a female friend who REALLY frowns on my supplments. So I turn things around my telling her that every single supp I take is a steroid or HGH, especially when she sees my eform bottles. So, I take em right in front of her and then flex and grunt. She laughs and forgets to be mad after that :lol:
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ya its probably the same site I ws looking at a while back, that is REALLY cheap, and although its technically not banned I still worry about importing something like that and at the least having customs stop it and I never get it, that would suck.

MOD EDIT: Not appropriate here.
 
N BTW

1.00 British Pound = 1.94 U.S. Dollars

so 7 pounds $13.58 and 8 pounds is $15.52

Id gladly spend 20-25 for a single bottle and 40 for 2 so this is a steal.
 
Poopy, I completely agree with your apprehension. It's the same reason I hadn't ordered from there. Although I've heard of a select few that have without problem. Interestingly, about 2 or 3 months ago, there stock was SUBSTANTIALLY more diverse. It included the likes of Mohn, which for some reason I think you would have been interested in :think:

Hman and Thundergod, I have not tried DTHC or any DIM/I3C estrogen control products. There's some picky fellas out there that seem to like it. I may give this a try at some point. However, I'm leaning more towards thundergod's philosophy of just sticking with the basics and letting others do the experimentation.
 
celc5 said:
Poopy, I completely agree with your apprehension. It's the same reason I hadn't ordered from there. Although I've heard of a select few that have without problem. Interestingly, about 2 or 3 months ago, there stock was SUBSTANTIALLY more diverse. It included the likes of Mohn, which for some reason I think you would have been interested in :think:

Hman and Thundergod, I have not tried DTHC or any DIM/I3C estrogen control products. There's some picky fellas out there that seem to like it. I may give this a try at some point. However, I'm leaning more towards thundergod's philosophy of just sticking with the basics and letting others do the experimentation.
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Celc5-- Dude, don't waste your money on that DIM/13C crap! I gave it a good 3 month run last fall. NOTHING! Well, I guess I would have to have had blood work to prove that it did nothing, but at least I couldn't tell any difference. I bet me and you have probably spent a small fortune on snake oil in the past celc, so no more for me. If I do run up on anything good at all, I'll let you know about it first. You have been a big help to me. Appreciate all!!
 
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Celc5-- Dude, don't waste your money on that DIM/13C crap! I gave it a good 3 month run last fall. NOTHING! Well, I guess I would have to have had blood work to prove that it did nothing, but at least I couldn't tell any difference. I bet me and you have probably spent a small fortune on snake oil in the past celc, so no more for me. If I do run up on anything good at all, I'll let you know about it first. You have been a big help to me. Appreciate all!!
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On lean bulk, I have a "Random Reviews" thread. The 3 products that are can't miss for me include Formestane (I'm finding 1fast bulk to work just as well as Eform), TRAC Extreme NO preworkout Stim/pump, and CEL H-drol for hardness, some lean mass, and recomp. I'll arm wrestle anyone who says these products aren't worth every cent :head:

I'm undecided on whether or not I'd put phera on this list until I really sit down take a look at before and after pics, stats, increases in strength, sides, etc. The thing that MIGHT set phera apart is that I think it actually CHANGED MY UPPER BODY. I've never had lats that flare and shoulders have been a weak point for me and it seems that the phera settles in that upper chest/lat/shoulder region for some reason :think:
 
celc5 said:
On lean bulk, I have a "Random Reviews" thread. The 3 products that are can't miss for me include Formestane (I'm finding 1fast bulk to work just as well as Eform), TRAC Extreme NO preworkout Stim/pump, and CEL H-drol for hardness, some lean mass, and recomp. I'll arm wrestle anyone who says these products aren't worth every cent :head:

I'm undecided on whether or not I'd put phera on this list until I really sit down take a look at before and after pics, stats, increases in strength, sides, etc. The thing that MIGHT set phera apart is that I think it actually CHANGED MY UPPER BODY. I've never had lats that flare and shoulders have been a weak point for me and it seems that the phera settles in that upper chest/lat/shoulder region for some reason :think:
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celc5--- My first run of form was a bottle of e-form and it was great, of course. Now I use 1fast400 in bulk and it mixes really well. I agree with the h-drol( I have used it) and I would add superdrol and phera-plex to the list. I keep hearing alot of good reports on epistane and I'm thinking about a run of it solo maybe around May. I'll let you know!!
 
celc5 said:
On lean bulk, I have a "Random Reviews" thread. The 3 products that are can't miss for me include Formestane (I'm finding 1fast bulk to work just as well as Eform), TRAC Extreme NO preworkout Stim/pump, and CEL H-drol for hardness, some lean mass, and recomp. I'll arm wrestle anyone who says these products aren't worth every cent :head:
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I have a couple samples of these my workout partner gave me, along with like 20 other diff brands of samples. He works at Vit. Shoppe so its nice, anything he doesnt want he gives to me and hes the only guy at his store so he gets ALL the good samples with no competition from other male employees.
 
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