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Havoc PCT

Gym4Life

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hey guys i cant get a serm as i dont know where to get 1 from ive tried the net but need presecriptions !!!. and dont have any buds at the gym who will admit to using roids lol :)

Anyway i was thinking of using havoc for 3 weeks maybe 4 and get up to 30 mgs at most.

is Post cycle support good enough as i heard it has a mild serm in it.
 
People say that it should be enough, that or Dermacrine Sustain.

You may want to look into both just to make sure.
 
While shutdown from havoc is fairly mild, you should always have a serm on hand. If you don't have access to one i would try the pulse method with havoc which may minimize the degree of shutdown/side effects while still gaining most of the intended benefits. If you pulse it you should be able to get by in post cycle therapy with the post cycle support, however a proper post cycle therapy(Serm,AI,test booster,cortisol control) is essential in restoring HPTA and maintaining your gains.

Now remember the pulse method may minimize the actual degree of your shutdown, however HPTA suppression will still occur to some degree which is why you need a solid post cycle therapy in place to begin with.
 
hey trauma1 thanks so much for your honesty i have decided not to use it untill i can get a proper Serm if i knew how lol untill then i wont use it.

thanks for your honesty and help though
 
Gym4Life said:
hey trauma1 thanks so much for your honesty i have decided not to use it untill i can get a proper Serm if i knew how lol untill then i wont use it.

thanks for your honesty and help though
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No problem man.
 
Hey Trauma, have you ever heard of someone not getting their HPTA back to normal after using Havoc or something which is mild? Just thought I'd ask as it came to mind lol.
 
There are a number of people who have done Havoc cycles and even Phera Plex cycles using POST Cycle Support for their PCT and getting very good results with the mild SERM in POST Cycle Support

I am doing an Epistane pulse cycle with POST Cycle Support on the off days and for PCT. Results are great, libido is up, lifts up, muscle mass up etc.

POST Cycle Support was formulated specifically for Epistane/Havoc.


CROWLER
 
CROWLER said:
There are a number of people who have done Havoc cycles and even Phera Plex cycles using POST Cycle Support for their post cycle therapy and getting very good results with the mild SERM in POST Cycle Support

I am doing an Epistane pulse cycle with POST Cycle Support on the off days and for PCT. Results are great, libido is up, lifts up, muscle mass up etc.

POST Cycle Support was formulated specifically for Epistane/Havoc.


CROWLER
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Didn't know that...good to know...will give it a whurl...thanks for the info
 
so crowler as you saying that i could pulse havoc then with post cycle support and get away with just doing that ???

allso could you give me an example of your cycle please.
 
This is what I am doing.

Epistane/Havoc Pulse

Weeks 1 - 8
Epistane on workout days 1 hour before workout
POST Cycle Support on NON-workout day s2 caps AM 2 caps PM
Cycle Support every day 1 scoop AM 1 scoop PM

Weeks 9 - 12
POST Cycle Support 2 caps AM 2 caps PM
Cycle Support 1 scoop AM 1 scoop PM

Results so far are MUCH better than I expected. Lifts, muscle and libido are all definitely up.


CROWLER
 
maynehood171 said:
Hey Trauma, have you ever heard of someone not getting their HPTA back to normal after using Havoc or something which is mild? Just thought I'd ask as it came to mind lol.
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shutdown is not a garanteed mild on havoc. matter of fact it took me longer to get back to normal than any other ph experience.

food for thought.
 
The degree of actual shudown will vary from person to person and is dependant on many factors of both an exogenous and endogenous nature. Pulsing havoc in theory should help minimize the overall degree of shutdown and side effects making post cycle therapy mild for recovery, however i would go into every post cycle therapy being thoroughly prepared with serm in hand if possible. It may work well for some and not so well with others.


Crowler your cycle looks solid and i'm glad to see you're having great results. I'll have to give your Post Cycle Therapy a try in my next PCT ;)
 
Trauma1 said:
The degree of actual shudown will vary from person to person and is dependant on many factors of both an exogenous and endogenous nature. Pulsing havoc in theory should help minimize the overall degree of shutdown and side effects making post cycle therapy mild for recovery, however i would go into every post cycle therapy being thoroughly prepared with serm in hand if possible. It may work well for some and not so well with others.


Crowler your cycle looks solid and i'm glad to see you're having great results. I'll have to give your Post Cycle Therapy a try in my next post cycle therapy ;)
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that's correct and i couldn't agree more.

didn't you say in a previous post in this thread to have a SERM on hand just in case?

in the future i too may want to try this method as a pct in any event.

btw - love your DCP product!
 
AnonyMoose said:
that's correct and i couldn't agree more.

didn't you say in a previous post in this thread to have a SERM on hand just in case?

in the future i too may want to try this method as a post cycle therapy in any event.

btw - love your DCP product!
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Yeah i did. People are going to do what they want to do in the end regardless of what you tell them. I'd rather be grossly overprepared in my pct than regret it in the end. It's best to go into pct smart and prepared while learning to assess your body and its response to different compounds and recovery.

Thanks bro, DCP is great stuff! :D
 
Gym4Life said:
cool so just 1 on workout days and no more ??? how many days do you workout a week ?
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I workout 3 days per week with weights. I use 20mg of Epistane on those days.


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