Phyto-Testosterone is here
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Eric Potratz
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Yes, they would stack very well as they both work by different mechanisms.
Read a couple threads up for more explanation ^
-Eric
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
The "New Primordial Performance Products" thread has much of the info you would like to know about - definitly worth checking out.
Anyhow, PP, not to beat a dead horse here, but I have another quesiton about Phyto-Test. So far, you have been the only person that I know of that has used it. You mentioned you had some good results, so I was hoping you could elaborate on them?
Mainly, if you could tell us -
1) Any weight change, and if it was muscle or fat loss
2) More importantly, strength and endurance changes. Any increases in reps/weight?
3) Any feelings you had on the product, if any changes at all
4) If it was stacked with any other products new to you at the time, or if it was during or post cycle
5) And lastly, just for the sake of asking, how many doses did you take a day? I see two is effective, but three (morning/afternoon/evening) sounds like even more fun.
Eric Potratz
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I tried the Testofen by itself for several weeks (2x day) since I’ve experienced the effects of high-dose methoxyisoflavone before (8-10lbs gains were typical for me) The Testofen added a nice boost in intensity and strength (during the few times that I did train), as well as a good boost in sex drive and ‘volume’.
I’m definitely not the best one to quantify the gains though, since Im stuck on this computer chair all day. I love it, but my body is a sad excuse of what it once was since I haven’t had much time to hit the gym lately. ;-(
I believe you could get added benefit from taking a 3rd dose, but this would be cost prohibitive for most.
-Pp
Eric Potratz
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superone
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Sounds amazing, as i was really thinking about shotting 200mg of Test per week while on Finesteride/Letro/T3.
Will see how the Phyto-T treats me first, and if i like the results will stay on that instead.
The way my natural physique is already, 200mg of real test should drop some of the little bit of fat i have, and add a bit of muscle, so cant wait to see how the Phyto-T treats me. That should if anything help preserve muscle while dieting.
Actually, my total Testosterone levels were great, but free T wasnt high normal, it was about middle range, which i want high normal, though with my current regimen free T should increase, but all i really want to do is free up as much of my own testosterone as i can, so Phyto-T "sounds" perfect.
I got a Bioavailable Testosterone test done early December, and havent bothered to pick up the results yet. I wasnt taking anything at the time.
Im going to get another Bioavailable T test done 3 weeks into Phyto T, while im on Finesteride/Letro/T3, and see what the difference is. Im interested to see.
Thanks Pp.
Will see how the Phyto-T treats me first, and if i like the results will stay on that instead.
The way my natural physique is already, 200mg of real test should drop some of the little bit of fat i have, and add a bit of muscle, so cant wait to see how the Phyto-T treats me. That should if anything help preserve muscle while dieting.
Actually, my total Testosterone levels were great, but free T wasnt high normal, it was about middle range, which i want high normal, though with my current regimen free T should increase, but all i really want to do is free up as much of my own testosterone as i can, so Phyto-T "sounds" perfect.
I got a Bioavailable Testosterone test done early December, and havent bothered to pick up the results yet. I wasnt taking anything at the time.
Im going to get another Bioavailable T test done 3 weeks into Phyto T, while im on Finesteride/Letro/T3, and see what the difference is. Im interested to see.
Thanks Pp.
poopypants
Banned
whats the shelf life of this and is it susceptable to degradation by UV or O2???
im interested in picking some of this up sooner then later incase it catches on and prices are raised but i want to see others results first and want to make sure i wont be taking a inferior product by purchasing it now and then storing it away.
im interested in picking some of this up sooner then later incase it catches on and prices are raised but i want to see others results first and want to make sure i wont be taking a inferior product by purchasing it now and then storing it away.
Eric Potratz
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Yes, the fenugreek extract is sensitive to light and heat, so the product will slowly degrade, but should still meet label claims for up to a year.
If you dont plan on using it for awhile, storing the product in the fridge would be a good idea.
-Pp
poopypants
Banned
great, thank you for the response.... i suspect ill hold of till i catch a couple reveiws on it and hopefully it will show up on NP soon as well so i can place an order for it with the rest of my regular purchases.
Eric Potratz
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Eric Potratz
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We didn’t need to do any of our own formal testing since most all of these aspects have been covered in prior human testing and patents. Plus both of these ingredients have been on the market in one form or another, with plenty of anecdotes around the web from “testofen” or “methoxyisoflavone” type products.
-Pp
Cordeen
Well-known member
Thanks. Just curious.
Eric Potratz
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We just sold out of our first batch of Phyto-Test, so hopefully there will be some feedback soon.
BTW, you guys can still put your orders in, but it probably won’t ship until this Friday.
-Pp
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
Please do fill us in once the stocks resupply! I will be placing my order soon as well.
somewhatgifted
Registered User
Mine cleared canadian customs yeasterday, cant wait to give it a go. I may do a log....
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
somewhatgifted
Registered User
You have a way with words... I have a compulsion to do a log and a minor impulse to drink rye and coke? lol
poopypants
Banned
Oh please do! It would be invaluable info to see someone like yourself run it so we can know what this is really all about
hopefully for all of us it will turn out as desired and be a viable test alternative.
Dr Liftalot
Active member
Wasn't there another Fenugreek product that promised a trillion things and was being backed by live human studies in Isreal, that never panned out. Anyone else remeber these promises and it turns out it didnt work out so well. just saying.....
somewhatgifted
Registered User
Should be here tommorow, primordial any ideas for a stack?
chainsaw
Well-known member
I think you are referring to Fenotest. The human study got released after Fenotest had been dicontinued. I believe alot of guys did not dose it right nor for the right amount of time. The study states 600mg for 60 days. That gets kind of pricey to run at the orginal cost of Fenotest. Also maybe the other herbal ingredients in the product competed for absorbtion. PP product looks good dosed higher than Fenotest and has a better delivery system. Also, correct me if I am wrong but I don't think an increase in test 98% is that great, at least not comparable to steroid or even prohormone type gains.
johnyq
Active member
I'm running old sustain, drive, and phytotest. Should be good times.
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
Do you have a log going? No pressure if you don't - it's just that so many of us are eager to hear of your thoughts/results. Then again, I'm not even sure if you have started yet!
scrappydog
Member
That testofen study doesn't say what happend to the placebo group. Anyway, I'd love to try this but I've taken fenugreek pills and get hypoglycemica really bad when I do....have you gotten that with this supplement?
johnyq
Active member
I started the phytotest on 1/10, and everything else a few days before that. Not sure when results are supposed to kick.
Wasn't really planning on logging as I feel like a log whore lately. I'll 100% post my complete results though.
somewhatgifted
Registered User
Im looking at mine right now.... I want a BF caliper test and need some measurements, may start today anyway!
poopypants
Banned
make sure to link us a post here please if you decide to log or general review it :thumbsup:
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
Yeah man, same here... ordering up some goodies tonight.
somewhatgifted
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My review log is up!!
My review log is up!!
poopypants
Banned
saaaaawwwweeeeeett!
poopypants
Banned
i know thats the make or brake with many hormonal supps, the carrier is key... but maybe they have a stronger extraction as well as the other stuff in there taht sets it apart??? guess we'll see soon eh?
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
Yes, the Methoxy-Isoflavone actually interests me nearly as much as the Testofen does, oddly. I only had experience with methoxy once, and it was YEARS ago when I was a young'n High Schooler (when methoxy was sort of big at the time). I bought Methoxy-Pro, a protein supplement with Methoxy-Isoflavone attached to it. It's claims were to dramatically increase synthesis, and I made some great gains off of it. However, it was my first supplement I ever took, and I was still straightening out my training regimen. Have been meaning to give it a more honest try again since then, but there's so many other gadgets and gizmo's out now taking my atten-hut!
chainsaw
Well-known member
Testofen is Testofen. They are both 50% extracts of a part of Fenugreek. Agreed something needs to help absorbtion, the carrier is a great idea, I wish all test boosters came suspended in oil and and were sublingal delivery.
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
Just ordered up two bottles, which are hopefully still scheduled to ship tommarow. Very excited to begin a cycle alongside Dermacrine. I'm going to be throwing it into a little stack-a-roo(alongside my regulars plus USPLab's new fatburner), which I do plan on logging (somewhat), but it won't bring too many concrete evidence if it works. I'm confident that it will however! Very excited to begin as well.
Don't forget - there's a coupon code in the "New Products" thread that PP started a few weeks ago. $10 off your order at their site. Still spent ove $150 though, but that's 10 more cans of tuna I can buy now! aaaaaauuuhhoooraaah
Don't forget - there's a coupon code in the "New Products" thread that PP started a few weeks ago. $10 off your order at their site. Still spent ove $150 though, but that's 10 more cans of tuna I can buy now! aaaaaauuuhhoooraaah
Eric Potratz
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Thanks Highlander.
Also remember is if you spend over a $100 you get free priority shipping too.
-Pp
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
another AAAAUUUOOORAAAHH for PP! Totally forgot to mention that!
laythehammer6
New member
I ordered and never received any notice that my order was processed via. email?
Eric Potratz
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It might have made it to your SPAM folder...
Shoot us a PM or email with your full name and we can confirm the order.
-Pp
poopypants
Banned
i hope you meant jan right????