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[Nilla]

Im so sick of being feed that one needs a million things for post cycle therapy.
I think its bull.

Sure,i believe the logic behind most the stuff but come on..
Do we really need a cortisol blocker?
How about a natty test booster?? im sure it helps bring you back a little but...
What about adding atd to a serm?? marketing to sell atd to a serm loving crowd maybe??

I believe a serm/anti-e is needed for sure but the rest who knows "i take em" but i still dont know if id get the same without them..

Tell me this-Why do most that take roids only suggest serms and not much else?

Now for us "Ph guys" we here and are told we need a list of things that are of course sold by some of the same makers of said ph's.
So,is this marketing??
Do i really need all this stuff?

Im no doc, so all i know is what i read online,is it all true,prolly not thats why im trying to figure that out.

So bottom line what do most believe to be a NEED in a ph cycle?
I know its cycle dependent but what are a must in your eyes.
And back to the anabolic steroids question,why are most not using all these supps we are? or are they?

 

[pudzian2]

uhh...better safe than sorry. plus serms and AI's are not always organ friendly. Using less of them and more natural herbal tools can make for a better recovery. Cortisol control is very important unless you care to loose some of your hard earned muscle. Your hormone balance will be out of whack PCT. Keeping cortisol down helps bring it back to normal while minimizing cortisol induced catabolism.

people say the same things about vitamins. Because they dont always "feel" a difference they think nothing is benefiting them. the benefits arent always short term. THey are sometimes preventative. Consider doing bloodwork to determine what combinations of tools works best for you in PCT.

 

[Nilla]

The reason im even doing this is cause there are alot who say "a serm is enough" and I wanna know why?

Please keep in mind im not saying there useless im just saying i think alot is for sales.
The supp industry is huge,lots of money to make.

 

[pudzian2]

i hear what you mean. I just think that if you sell yourself on a product becuase of it's benefit to you then you should consider it more than if you like what a company markets on its label. I say "you" meaning everyone.

 

[T-Bone]

Im so sick of being feed that one needs a million things for post cycle therapy.
I think its bull.

Sure,i believe the logic behind most the stuff but come on..
Do we really need a cortisol blocker?
How about a natty test booster?? im sure it helps bring you back a little but...
What about adding atd to a serm?? marketing to sell atd to a serm loving crowd maybe??

I believe a serm/anti-e is needed for sure but the rest who knows "i take em" but i still dont know if id get the same without them..

Tell me this-Why do most that take roids only suggest serms and not much else?

Now for us "Ph guys" we here and are told we need a list of things that are of course sold by some of the same makers of said ph's.
So,is this marketing??
Do i really need all this stuff?

Im no doc, so all i know is what i read online,is it all true,prolly not thats why im trying to figure that out.

So bottom line what do most believe to be a NEED in a ph cycle?
I know its cycle dependent but what are a must in your eyes.
And back to the anabolic steroids question,why are most not using all these supps we are? or are they?

It was only recently that people started going ape**** with PCT. You only need a Serm and that is it. All that other crap is just a waste of money. In fact PCT is a fairly new concept all together. I started this topic a while back also. It is mostly people new to using hormonal supplements that think they have to use all that extra crap.

 

[pudzian2]

this thread is very subjective. No one should say what anyone else needs or should use PCT. everyone's HPTA and body will react a little different to hormonal changes. There are no "you just need this" type of answers

 

[Distilled Water]

this thread is very subjective. No one should say what anyone else needs or should use post cycle therapy. everyone's HPTA and body will react a little different to hormonal changes. There are no "you just need this" type of answers

I agree. I didn't think cortisol control was very important so a few cycles ago I nixed it. I really regret it my diet was just as clean off cycle as it was on and i added a good amount of belly fat. I will always have cortisol control now and taper off. I have found greatest succes with just useing ZMA and Trib. Idecided to get some activate extreme to use because of the killer deal NP had. O and I always throw in a SERM.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Not really a need per se, for anything. You could just taper on and off your cycles and be done with it. The post cycle therapy idea just helps the body recover faster and makes keeping gains easier and potential damage done by the cycle kept to a minimum. You don't need protein, creatine etc outside of your daily diet but a lot of it sure helps in meeting goals.

Is it needed? Probably not
Since it's available, should it be used? probably.

 

[pudzian2]

Not really a need per se, for anything. You could just taper on and off your cycles and be done with it. The post cycle therapy idea just helps the body recover faster and makes keeping gains easier and potential damage done by the cycle kept to a minimum. You don't need protein, creatine etc outside of your daily diet but a lot of it sure helps in meeting goals.

Is it needed? Probably not
Since it's available, should it be used? probably.

there ya go.

 

[Nilla]

So,is there a reason why a roid cycle should not include a natty/corty/atd, or, should they be treated the same as a ph cycle "as far as taking these supp's pct"?

Please keep the feedback coming for the original Q..

 

[Jayhawkk]

Again, the PCt is designed to put your body back at its normal operating level. There's usually a good amount of stress put on the body to include the organs during a cycle. There's a ton of changes that happen when you're increasing your test levels to such a high degree. Whether you are on a Steroid, a Pro-Hormone or whatever you're calling it today, it's best to use what's out there as long as it works to bring your body back to normal...

Now, if you want to know if there are products out there that do not work and/or are hyped for a sales approach only; the answer is yes. You're still going to have to research and choose wisely when buying the products. Even a good thing can be bad in wrong amounts or mixed in with other products. etc.

 

[pudzian2]

knowledge is power. thats really all i have to say about this

 

[celc5]

You elude to product hype in your posts. The issue here is that you need to try your post cycle supps BEFORE you cycle. That way, you know what you're getting into and can eliminate products that you don't respond to.

As Pudz said, it is also cycle dependent. You ran Bold which can aromatize, right? In which case, the AI might be an important player on cycle and in post cycle in addition to your serm.

 

[pudzian2]

You elude to product hype in your posts. The issue here is that you need to try your post cycle supps BEFORE you cycle. That way, you know what you're getting into and can eliminate products that you don't respond to.

As Pudz said, it is also cycle dependent. You ran Bold which can aromatize, right? In which case, the AI might be an important player on cycle and in post cycle in addition to your serm.

right. I mean we can only be so specific as far as a general layout to speed up the recovery process (which is what PCT does), as far as what will work BEST or what you NEED for a cycle, well that is a personal choice. like celc said. Know your compounds, know what you will need based on your cycle, and responsiveness to other helpful PCT supps

 

[PhilABowl]

Im so sick of being feed that one needs a million things for post cycle therapy.
I think its bull.

Sure,i believe the logic behind most the stuff but come on..
Do we really need a cortisol blocker?
How about a natty test booster?? im sure it helps bring you back a little but...
What about adding atd to a serm?? marketing to sell atd to a serm loving crowd maybe??

I believe a serm/anti-e is needed for sure but the rest who knows "i take em" but i still dont know if id get the same without them..

Tell me this-Why do most that take roids only suggest serms and not much else?

Now for us "Ph guys" we here and are told we need a list of things that are of course sold by some of the same makers of said ph's.
So,is this marketing??
Do i really need all this stuff?

Im no doc, so all i know is what i read online,is it all true,prolly not thats why im trying to figure that out.

So bottom line what do most believe to be a NEED in a ph cycle?
I know its cycle dependent but what are a must in your eyes.
And back to the anabolic steroids question,why are most not using all these supps we are? or are they?

I think the way that I did it really simplified things. I bought each of the recommended post cycle products, I think it was around 8 or so, as well as some old prescriptions I had, some over the counter stuff in the cabinet, and emptied all of them into a decent sized pickle jar (I emptied out the jar and cleaned it really well, but it still smells kind of pickly).

I turned it upside down, shook it real good to mix everything, then set it right side up. 3 times a day, I take about 2-4 pills out at random, and wash it down with some scotch. (Single malt works best).

It actually has added a lot of variety into my workouts - some days I am so dizzy that I can't run on the treadmill, so I just ride the bike. Other days, my legs are numb and I can't really move them that well, so I do the rowing machine. Sometimes I can't unclench my fists much, so I do barbell curls, etc. you get the idea.

Sometimes, I leave the house for 3 or 4 hours to go to the gym, and I wake up on the couch at home, sweaty and tired, with no recollection of where I have been.

 

[LilPsychotic]

Im so sick of being feed that one needs a million things for post cycle therapy.
I think its bull.

Sure,i believe the logic behind most the stuff but come on..
Do we really need a cortisol blocker?
How about a natty test booster?? im sure it helps bring you back a little but...
What about adding atd to a serm?? marketing to sell atd to a serm loving crowd maybe??

I believe a serm/anti-e is needed for sure but the rest who knows "i take em" but i still dont know if id get the same without them..

Tell me this-Why do most that take roids only suggest serms and not much else?

Now for us "Ph guys" we here and are told we need a list of things that are of course sold by some of the same makers of said ph's.
So,is this marketing??
Do i really need all this stuff?

Im no doc, so all i know is what i read online,is it all true,prolly not thats why im trying to figure that out.

So bottom line what do most believe to be a NEED in a ph cycle?
I know its cycle dependent but what are a must in your eyes.
And back to the anabolic steroids question,why are most not using all these supps we are? or are they?

Its all a matter of priority. My number one is a serm, because I know it will bring the boys back pretty quickly. I shut down pretty hard, and I've seen many failed pcts using an AI alone. I usually through in a cort. blocker around week two. If money is an issue, I just use 7-keto (Stuff is like $4/bottle). My next pct is going to consist of Nolva+Restore+ my staple ancillaries. I think restore is an awesome product because it has 6-bromo and an anti cort in it. I think I'll throw it in on week 2, and extend it a week past the Nolva. This is simply what works for me, I think the natty test booster is overkill. Alot of it is marketing. Back in the eighties, guys weren't even using pct, maybe some hcg at best. I think this is were steroids got a bad wrap. People didn't start using serms and so forth until about ten years ago. I work out with some older guys who are all on hrt from not using pct. I think it also depends on the person. Some people can bounce right back using 6-oxo, or adt. I am not one of those individuals, and I'm gyno prone so I play it safe.