Cheapest Cycle with decent gains?

Rugger

Rugger

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Hey there,

I'm in college and poor. LOL. Typical, right?
Anyways I've got a food plan so get to eat as much as I want:burger: But I have little money to spend on supps. Right now I just use creatine and protein. I've been reading and have become interested in using some sort of PH, designer steroid etc...
I have read good things about superdrol, epistane, trenabol and other things similar, but I'm worried that I won't be able to afford all of the necessary supplemental products to make them both as safe and as effective as possible.

If anyone has any ideas of a cycle for me where spending as few dollars as possible is the focus aside from gaining strength and mass, please help me out!

I tried searching but didn't come up with nearly anything.

Thanks much
 
You need to list your stats, workout experience, goals, age, previous useage history, macros, etc...

...if you can do that then we can begin to help you. As far as being broke...well, if you can't afford to do your cycle properly then you're not ready to cycle yet. Once you get everything figured out search around for the best deals and slowly stockpile the neccessary supps so you can run a safe cycle.
 
Rugger1 said:
Hey there,

I'm in college and poor. LOL. Typical, right?
Anyways I've got a food plan so get to eat as much as I want:burger: But I have little money to spend on supps. Right now I just use creatine and protein. I've been reading and have become interested in using some sort of PH, designer steroid etc...
I have read good things about superdrol, epistane, trenabol and other things similar, but I'm worried that I won't be able to afford all of the necessary supplemental products to make them both as safe and as effective as possible.

If anyone has any ideas of a cycle for me where spending as few dollars as possible is the focus aside from gaining strength and mass, please help me out!

I tried searching but didn't come up with nearly anything.

Thanks much
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eat properly and train properly. If your worried about cash you shouldnt be directing your limited funds to try and get bigger with supps. Just eat and grow naturally. You shouldnt be on any PH's at your age anyway.
 
Cellardude said:
eat properly and train properly. If your worried about cash you shouldnt be directing your limited funds to try and get bigger with supps. Just eat and grow naturally. You shouldnt be on any PH's at your age anyway.
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I do eat properly and I do train properly. I'm looking for a boost, that's all. What else would I do with my money. I'm in school and don't have to pay for anything but booze and supps.
 
stxnas said:
You need to list your stats, workout experience, goals, age, previous useage history, macros, etc...

...if you can do that then we can begin to help you. As far as being broke...well, if you can't afford to do your cycle properly then you're not ready to cycle yet. Once you get everything figured out search around for the best deals and slowly stockpile the neccessary supps so you can run a safe cycle.
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Age: 21
Workout: 5x5, ws4sb 3, compounds
Goals: 550 deadlift, 450 squat, 315 bench, 230 lbs
Actuals: 500 deadlift, 390ish squat, 255 bench, 213-215 lbs
Usage: none, only creatine and protein powder
Diet: usually 3500-4000 cals
 
stxnas said:
You need to list your stats, workout experience, goals, age, previous useage history, macros, etc...

...if you can do that then we can begin to help you. As far as being broke...well, if you can't afford to do your cycle properly then you're not ready to cycle yet. Once you get everything figured out search around for the best deals and slowly stockpile the neccessary supps so you can run a safe cycle.
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:goodpost:

Also, just to expand on what stxnas said, a decent PH in my eyes is epistane. Thats roughly 35-40 bucks. With epi, a serm, cortisol control, AI, liver support, I would say be expected to run up a bill of 200+

Don't try to sacrifice a few bucks for your health man. Thats irresponsible cycling right there. You can't really limit yourself and say, oh I wont need this and this because I cant afford it. If it's your health you WILL need it. Just my two cents.
 
:D Thanks for the compliment Cellar. Oh, and I agree with epi as a suggestion...I was jsut trying to hold off on suggestions until got a little more info back.

If you can't afford all of the proper pre/on/post cycle ancilliaries try something like Anabolic Pump or Invalid Link Removed(will be coming out as Stoked soon...same thing, but different name...Crowler realized that many people are interested in this as a standalone and not just for p.c.t.).
 
stxnas said:
:D Thanks for the compliment Cellar. Oh, and I agree with epi as a suggestion...I was jsut trying to hold off on suggestions until got a little more info back.

If you can't afford all of the proper pre/on/post cycle ancilliaries try something like Anabolic Pump or Invalid Link Removed(will be coming out as Stoked soon...same thing, but different name...Crowler realized that many people are interested in this as a standalone and not just for p.c.t.).
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I love Anabolic Pump

It's one of my favorite supplements. It makes me look so swole. :thumbsup:

Im a fan of nutrient repartition supplements due to their repartition properties. The pumps are fun and all but the ability to feed our muscles directly is amazing. Lifts, size,strength,endurance are all a result of AP after 2-3 bottles. :)
 
Rugger1 said:
Age: 22
Workout: 5x5, ws4sb 3, compounds
Goals: 550 deadlift, 450 squat, 315 bench, 230 lbs
Actuals: 500 deadlift, 390ish squat, 255 bench, 213-215 lbs
Usage: none, only creatine and protein powder
Diet: usually 3500-4000 cals
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by stats he meant something like this
for me it would be

Age:18
Bodyfat: 16%
Weight: 206
Height:6'0

That would do more than just telling us about your basic workouts.
 
I'd stay away from any Ph's at your age(22)you still are growing. And with money tight you'd have to also buy support supps and post cycle therapy so I will say to just invest in some good protein, maybe a weight gainer, creatine, try some waxy maize. You can make your own mix at Trueprotein.com an it is usually cheap. Other than that Abuse the ability to eat at the cafeteria. eat clean.
 
Big BAMA said:
I'd stay away from any Ph's at your age(22)you still are growing. And with money tight you'd have to also buy support supps and post cycle therapy so I will say to just invest in some good protein, maybe a weight gainer, creatine, try some waxy maize. You can make your own mix at Trueprotein.com an it is usually cheap. Other than that Abuse the ability to eat at the cafeteria. eat clean.
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I realize that I have to buy the additional support supplements, that isn't a problem. Money isn't a problem either. I just don't want to spend 400 dollars on the nicest most potent stuff. 200 dollars wouldn't be a problem, but I'd much rather spend 100 dollars if I could make it work. I have great protein and creatine already. I eat clean and big. I have everything else under control, that's why I'm here asking about these things.

I don't get why everyone assumes when people say they've got the standard variable under control that they're lying or just some highschool punk wanting the pump. I'm an established lifter with diet and sleep under wraps, I thought the 500# deadlift would have been enough proof. Not that 500 is a ton, but you know what I mean.
 
Rugger1 said:
I realize that I have to buy the additional support supplements, that isn't a problem. Money isn't a problem either. I just don't want to spend 400 dollars on the nicest most potent stuff. 200 dollars wouldn't be a problem, but I'd much rather spend 100 dollars if I could make it work. I have great protein and creatine already. I eat clean and big. I have everything else under control, that's why I'm here asking about these things.

I don't get why everyone assumes when people say they've got the standard variable under control that they're lying or just some highschool punk wanting the pump. I'm an established lifter with diet and sleep under wraps, I thought the 500# deadlift would have been enough proof. Not that 500 is a ton, but you know what I mean.
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the majority of people who ask are those who ARE highschool kids unwilling to do their own research. If you want a good cycle, look into epistane. I think you should do the research on what to buy by yourself however and how to run it. You should look into the steroid section and PCT section for some info.
 
Cellardude said:
the majority of people who ask are those who ARE highschool kids unwilling to do their own research. If you want a good cycle, look into epistane. I think you should do the research on what to buy by yourself however and how to run it. You should look into the steroid section and post cycle therapy section for some info.
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That was why quitely slipped the age question in there with the other stuff :ntome:
 
He did list his age, weight, diet and WO schedule as well as his goals which are very important to determine how to achieve those goals. His body fat % and height dont seem relevant unless he is 8ft9 and very thin at 215 or he is 5ft3 and very large for 215.

Cellardude said:
by stats he meant something like this
for me it would be

Age:18
Bodyfat: 16%
Weight: 206
Height:6'0

That would do more than just telling us about your basic workouts.
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Cellardude said:
:goodpost:

Also, just to expand on what stxnas said, a decent PH in my eyes is epistane. Thats roughly 35-40 bucks. With epi, a serm, cortisol control, AI, liver support, I would say be expected to run up a bill of 200+

Don't try to sacrifice a few bucks for your health man. Thats irresponsible cycling right there. You can't really limit yourself and say, oh I wont need this and this because I cant afford it. If it's your health you WILL need it. Just my two cents.
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If you wanted to run Epistane similar to what Neoborn did, It would run you $300+. I may be doing this in January.
 
do some research, look around, figure out how much it will cost, then double it man, like building a bad ass car or something, it always costs twice what it seems like it should, you'll need tor, zma, and maybe rebound xt or something for PCT, crap load of weight gainer, extra creatine, you'll need nolva in case you start to grow tits, HCG is not necessary but will make things much easier, i would recommend superdrol if you can still get it, you'll need some liver support, you'll need money to go eat whenever you want, even if that means going out to eat all the time, because you can't EVER skimp on any food when your ON, sometimes just that costs more than anything else, you cant drink while you're on either, it adds up quick, i would say 400$ just for supplements for a superdrol/epi cycle woudl probably eb about right with creatine and protein/gainer and all that....also i dont know if you have access but you can get 10ML of 250mg/ml test cyp in mexico for like 25$, two of those and you'd be good to go, healthier and cheaper than epi or superdrol

good luck and please do your research, you can PERMANENTLY ruin the very organs that keep you from turning into a woman.
seriously. have fun though, your first cycle is always the best! get used ot everyone you see commenting on how good you look lately...lol:cheers:
 
neverstop said:
do some research, look around, figure out how much it will cost, then double it man, like building a bad ass car or something, it always costs twice what it seems like it should, you'll need tor, zma, and maybe rebound xt or something for post cycle therapy, crap load of weight gainer, extra creatine, you'll need nolva in case you start to grow tits, HCG is not necessary but will make things much easier, i would recommend superdrol if you can still get it, you'll need some liver support, you'll need money to go eat whenever you want, even if that means going out to eat all the time, because you can't EVER skimp on any food when your ON, sometimes just that costs more than anything else, you cant drink while you're on either, it adds up quick, i would say 400$ just for supplements for a superdrol/epi cycle woudl probably eb about right with creatine and protein/gainer and all that....also i dont know if you have access but you can get 10ML of 250mg/ml test cyp in mexico for like 25$, two of those and you'd be good to go, healthier and cheaper than epi or superdrol

good luck and please do your research, you can PERMANENTLY ruin the very organs that keep you from turning into a woman.
seriously. have fun though, your first cycle is always the best! get used ot everyone you see commenting on how good you look lately...lol:cheers:
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good posting. :thumbsup:

If you want to save some money, run some bulk.

If I were to run a cycle I would run it like this

Epi 4 week cycle with a cortisol control,PCT such as torem, an AI such as E-form, and support supplements from NOW foods.
The cost of a cycle adds up because in my opinion, people buy products that are expensive as hell. For example, someone might instead of doing formestane might go with a Mass FX and Hyperdrol x2. Instead of 30 bucks, they kill off 95-100 on the AI. For support, people might get something like cycle support. Im not knocking the products or anything but if you were to save money for anything either a cycle or a regular bulk, try bulk items.

I will say that they probably arent as effective because certian supplements have a blend of ingredients that work well together.

EG.

Having Cycle support for a PCT will help in terms of support. It will help the liver, and boost test levels

Having bulk nettle root and milk thistle from NOW foods will serve the overall purpose of boosting test and liver support but it might not be effective. Both of these bulk products are in cycle support however.

Not for cyles in general, but for overall supplements, If your short on cash, buy the bulk if it has fairly decent reviews. A replacement from Mass FX and Hyperdrol for E-Form will be much cheaper. E-Form works as well. Just my 2 cents on supplement savings in general. I follow this rule considering my budget as well. Just thought it may be of some use to you.
 
I think the most important thing in putting in the time to research and design your own cycle is the ability to understand the products and different compounds. If you can understand how they work, you can understand what affects they have on different body functions (which are not limited to increased muscle mass and strength). Additionally, it is easier to design the cycle as to what is best for your body, both in results and safety. If you decide after the research that you may not want to dedicate the time and effort, its possible that you will cycle anyway and in turn put your body at risk if you do not take proper support products. Or you will decide to cycle because it best suits your goals. Or you will decide that you do not need to cycle because either the risks are too great or you realize you are able to achieve your goals because of your age. Either way, I am a firm believer that if do your research and learn, you will wind up with better results regardless of whether you cycle or not.
 
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