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How does this look? PH

Rugger1 said:
I have been reading for about a week now on various PHs but am still somewhat unsure of everything.

I am 22y/o, 214#, 5*10.5 at about 14-15% Bf

I am thinking about a cycle with

tren- kilo sports
Attack- kilo sports
Clomed- kilo sports as post cycle therapy


What else should I consider? Liver support?
I'm in college and thusly poor, if you guys have any cheaper ideas for me, throw those out there too.

Any helps or links to useful posts/stickies are appreciated. Thanks.
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1 $19.99 Bottle of M-Drol by Competitive Edge Labs
1 $**.** of Tamoxifen Citrate

Cycle under $60 and very effective.

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Mdrol.. Sides can be pretty harsh.. it'll just depend..

That said, for most, the results from mdrol are amazing.. lots of strength and lots of mass. With a little bit of a diuretic effect which might keep you from looking like a blob at the end of the cycle. It's much more effective than trenadrol imho..

Also.. for pct.. pretty much anything otc will not be sufficient for pct.. especially with mdrol.. So, make SURE that you get toremifene or nolva (i prefer toremifene) for post cycle therapy..
 
btw.. you don't go to UT do you? Jw, I'm a longhorn and wonder how many others there are lurkin' 'round good ol' AM.
 
Lol no, I do not go to UT. I go to a small private university in the upper midwest.

So, what sides can be expected with Mdrol then?

What would a complete stack look like with mdrol being the primary supp?
 
Ok, figured I'd ask.

Possible Sides:
  • High bp
  • lower back-pumps
  • shat on lipid profile
  • lethargy
  • lack of libido
  • elevated liver enzymes

Keep in mind that these are only possible sides, all of which should only be temporary. To avoid these, make sure you take cycle support before (2 week pre-load), during, and after (duration of pct) the cycle.. Also, throw some fish oil in there, like 6 grams a day.

As far as a cycle would go.. it should look like this:

Week 1: Mdrol 10mgs
Week 2: Mdrol 20mgs
Week 3: Mdrol 20mgs
Week 4: Toremifene 120mgs first 3 days down to 90mgs for remainder of week
Week 5: Torm 90mgs
Week 6: Torm 60mgs
Week 7: Torm 30mgs (if necessary)

I think that's everything.. pct can be tweaked to your liking.. whatev, that's just a pretty basic pct.. Also, you may want to take DHEA along with the Mdrol to help combat lethargy.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Ok, figured I'd ask.

Possible Sides:
  • High bp
  • lower back-pumps
  • shat on lipid profile
  • lethargy
  • lack of libido
  • elevated liver enzymes

Keep in mind that these are only possible sides, all of which should only be temporary. To avoid these, make sure you take cycle support before (2 week pre-load), during, and after (duration of post cycle therapy) the cycle.. Also, throw some fish oil in there, like 6 grams a day.

As far as a cycle would go.. it should look like this:

Week 1: Mdrol 10mgs
Week 2: Mdrol 20mgs
Week 3: Mdrol 20mgs
Week 4: Toremifene 120mgs first 3 days down to 90mgs for remainder of week
Week 5: Torm 90mgs
Week 6: Torm 60mgs
Week 7: Torm 30mgs (if necessary)

I think that's everything.. post cycle therapy can be tweaked to your liking.. whatev, that's just a pretty basic post cycle therapy.. Also, you may want to take DHEA along with the Mdrol to help combat lethargy.
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What do most people consider a good cycle support or additional items for pct? I've heard of products made specifically for pct, but I've also heard things about milk thistle, all sorts of roots, garlic, well I'm sure you know the rest.
 
cycle support is a product.. buy it from nutraplanet and follow label instructions.. as for the other pct questions.. search around in the pct section of this place. you'll find all you need, I promise.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
cycle support is a product.. buy it from nutraplanet and follow label instructions.. as for the other post cycle therapy questions.. search around in the post cycle therapy section of this place. you'll find all you need, I promise.
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Alright dude, thanks for clearing some stuff up for me! It's refreshing to come somewhere where noobs aren't thrashed.
 
Rugger1 said:
It's refreshing to come somewhere where noobs aren't thrashed.
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Glad you feel this way and please don't take this as thrashing, because I don't mean it that way.

You've gotten some decent advice in this thread, but there is SO much to learn that I would really recommend doing more research before you actually buy and ingest anything. I can just tell that you have only scratched the surface and I think you'll feel a lot better about what you're doing if you have a better knowledge base. Results are always better when you feel confident. Use the search function and you can find more reading material than you can imagine.

For starters, read through these two threads:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64820-designer-steroid-prohormone.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

Good luck!
 
EctoPower said:
Glad you feel this way and please don't take this as thrashing, because I don't mean it that way.

You've gotten some decent advice in this thread, but there is SO much to learn that I would really recommend doing more research before you actually buy and ingest anything. I can just tell that you have only scratched the surface and I think you'll feel a lot better about what you're doing if you have a better knowledge base. Results are always better when you feel confident. Use the search function and you can find more reading material than you can imagine.

For starters, read through these two threads:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64820-designer-steroid-prohormone.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

Good luck!
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. I don't plan on buying or starting anything until probably May.
 
why not do a more mild ph for your first cycle. something like epi or h-drol, both are mild on sides and can give great results. either way, dont use Clomed for pct.
 
heebs10 said:
why not do a more mild ph for your first cycle. something like epi or h-drol, both are mild on sides and can give great results. either way, dont use Clomed for post cycle therapy.
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For sure. mdrol + tren are both towards the upper end of the scale both in effectiveness and side effects. Better to use something a little mellower the whole way around first. Either epi or halodrol-50 should be good for 8+ pounds that will be EASIER TO KEEP. Thats kinda critical, gaining more weight on a superdrol cycle to loose half of it anyhow during PCT or the next month or two is worthless. Doesn't happen to everybody, but it does happen. Slower gains usually equal more maintainable gains.
 
EasyEJL said:
For sure. mdrol + tren are both towards the upper end of the scale both in effectiveness and side effects. Better to use something a little mellower the whole way around first. Either epi or halodrol-50 should be good for 8+ pounds that will be EASIER TO KEEP. Thats kinda critical, gaining more weight on a superdrol cycle to loose half of it anyhow during post cycle therapy or the next month or two is worthless. Doesn't happen to everybody, but it does happen. Slower gains usually equal more maintainable gains.
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Great points, you two. That's a great idea and I probably go that route.
 
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