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Epistane Over The Counter PCT!

Eagleman003

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I am planning on doing a cycle of Epistane @ 30/30/40/40 and looking to gain around 7-8 pounds and drop body fat down from 12.8% to 11%. I will be eating a good 500-750 calories above maintence of all clean foods with a 45p/35c/20f caloric split. This is my third cycle I have used 1ad/4ad in the past TWICE and kept gains much better with 6-oxo as a PCT as opposed to Nolva. No need to bash but I have heard that Nolva can decrease gains come post-cycle and since Epistane is meant to aid in gyno prevention/elimination I don't see the need to take a SERM based on my previous experience and considering it is midly toxic to the liver after already using a methylated compound for my anabolic cycle. I do not believe that I am gyno prone and my biggest concern is avoiding a severe drop in libido and keeping my gains post cycle without gaining too much fat. I will be taking Cycle Support @ 2-3 scoops a day throughout my entire cycle and PCT as well as fish oil, multivitamin, postasium, whey protein, vitamin C and ZMA. IDK why but I am just against the idea of putting something used to treat cancer patients in my mouth with a dropper when all of these OTC methods are available and used by many people. This is not me being ignorant because i have sources for Nolvadex and it is cheaper then other methods but I perfer OTC.

PCT:

Cycle Support (Overall Protection) - 2x a day
SNS Reduce XT (Cortisol Control)- 4/3/3/2
SizeOn (Creatine to Improve Workout Intensity) - 1x a day
All the Basicis as well

Obvisouly I am missing an AI or ATD which is where my decision comes down to. I HATE the fact that ATD can reduce libido which is one of my biggest concerns. I feel as though AI is not strong enough to keep my test levels up post cycle but on the other hand it could work considering Epistane does not convert to estrogen. What do you guys suggest I do? Please dont say SERM lol.
 
Eagleman003 said:
I am planning on doing a cycle of Epistane @ 30/30/40/40 and looking to gain around 7-8 pounds and drop body fat down from 12.8% to 11%. I will be eating a good 500-750 calories above maintence of all clean foods with a 45p/35c/20f caloric split. This is my third cycle I have used 1ad/4ad in the past TWICE and kept gains much better with 6-oxo as a post cycle therapy as opposed to Nolva. No need to bash but I have heard that Nolva can decrease gains come post-cycle and since Epistane is meant to aid in gyno prevention/elimination I don't see the need to take a SERM based on my previous experience and considering it is midly toxic to the liver after already using a methylated compound for my anabolic cycle. I do not believe that I am gyno prone and my biggest concern is avoiding a severe drop in libido and keeping my gains post cycle without gaining too much fat. I will be taking Cycle Support @ 2-3 scoops a day throughout my entire cycle and PCT as well as fish oil, multivitamin, postasium, whey protein, vitamin C and ZMA. IDK why but I am just against the idea of putting something used to treat cancer patients in my mouth with a dropper when all of these OTC methods are available and used by many people. This is not me being ignorant because i have sources for Nolvadex and it is cheaper then other methods but I perfer OTC.

PCT:

Cycle Support (Overall Protection) - 2x a day
SNS Reduce XT (Cortisol Control)- 4/3/3/2
SizeOn (Creatine to Improve Workout Intensity) - 1x a day
All the Basicis as well

Obvisouly I am missing an AI or ATD which is where my decision comes down to. I HATE the fact that ATD can reduce libido which is one of my biggest concerns. I feel as though AI is not strong enough to keep my test levels up post cycle but on the other hand it could work considering Epistane does not convert to estrogen. What do you guys suggest I do? Please dont say SERM lol.
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If you don't like Nolvadex, Clomid is one of the best serms out there, (in terms of oestrogen control, and increased test production). Just a thought.

AI?

-6oxo, Arimidex, Letrozole, aromasin (exemestane), there are a few others out there, I can't remember all of them.

ATD?

- Rebound XT, Novedex XT.

I've read quite a few reviews of ppl doing an AI only cycle, with "zero aromatization" compounds.

It's up to you really. Hope this helps.
 
Eagleman003 said:
I am planning on doing a cycle of Epistane @ 30/30/40/40 and looking to gain around 7-8 pounds and drop body fat down from 12.8% to 11%. I will be eating a good 500-750 calories above maintence of all clean foods with a 45p/35c/20f caloric split. This is my third cycle I have used 1ad/4ad in the past TWICE and kept gains much better with 6-oxo as a post cycle therapy as opposed to Nolva. No need to bash but I have heard that Nolva can decrease gains come post-cycle and since Epistane is meant to aid in gyno prevention/elimination I don't see the need to take a SERM based on my previous experience and considering it is midly toxic to the liver after already using a methylated compound for my anabolic cycle. I do not believe that I am gyno prone and my biggest concern is avoiding a severe drop in libido and keeping my gains post cycle without gaining too much fat. I will be taking Cycle Support @ 2-3 scoops a day throughout my entire cycle and PCT as well as fish oil, multivitamin, postasium, whey protein, vitamin C and ZMA. IDK why but I am just against the idea of putting something used to treat cancer patients in my mouth with a dropper when all of these OTC methods are available and used by many people. This is not me being ignorant because i have sources for Nolvadex and it is cheaper then other methods but I perfer OTC.

PCT:

Cycle Support (Overall Protection) - 2x a day
SNS Reduce XT (Cortisol Control)- 4/3/3/2
SizeOn (Creatine to Improve Workout Intensity) - 1x a day
All the Basicis as well

Obvisouly I am missing an AI or ATD which is where my decision comes down to. I HATE the fact that ATD can reduce libido which is one of my biggest concerns. I feel as though AI is not strong enough to keep my test levels up post cycle but on the other hand it could work considering Epistane does not convert to estrogen. What do you guys suggest I do? Please dont say SERM lol.
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Get blood tests before the cycle and after PCT. This would be a great 'experiment' to see how well these OTC products work.

What about a regular natural test booster? I've been on Hard Core Test and so far digging it for my epi PCT.


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Xodus said:
Get blood tests before the cycle and after post cycle therapy. This would be a great 'experiment' to see how well these OTC products work.

What about a regular natural test booster? I've been on Hard Core Test and so far digging it for my epi PCT.


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He'll need at least a test boost, AND some AI/ATD for his PCT. Don't you agree?
 
Marc-Antony said:
He'll need at least a test boost, AND some AI/ATD for his post cycle therapy. Don't you agree?
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The DTHC has some cortisol/estrogen control in it. 6-OXO would be good too I think. I think he wants to stay away from Clomid, A-dex, Letro, etc.


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Xodus said:
The DTHC has some cortisol/estrogen control in it. 6-OXO would be good to I think.


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Question here. So you are saying some DTHC, or 6-oxo only PCT would be good enough?

I've always been of the opinion that some serm (even minimal use) and AI had to be used for pct, along some test boost. It might be too much/too cautious for a compound like Epi ... Although, there is no such thing as beng too cautious with your own body.

Would using a serm be overkill ?? and completly anihilate every bit of oestrogen with Epi?
 
The Sinner formulated a supplement especially to be used with Epistane for Post cycle therapy.

It is POST Cycle Support. You can find more info including feedback here:

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CROWLER
 
CROWLER said:
The Sinner formulated a supplement especially to be used with Epistane for Post cycle therapy.

It is POST Cycle Support. You can find more info including feedback here:

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CROWLER
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I would use Post Cycle Support if I were you. It's legal and it works. No need to order illegal research chems when you can get a legal alternative that doesnt wreck your libido :cool:
 
Marc-Antony said:
Question here. So you are saying some DTHC, or 6-oxo only post cycle therapy would be good enough?

I've always been of the opinion that some serm (even minimal use) and AI had to be used for post cycle therapy, along some test boost. It might be too much/too cautious for a compound like Epi ... Although, there is no such thing as beng too cautious with your own body.

Would using a serm be overkill ?? and completly anihilate every bit of oestrogen with Epi?
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Nolva doesn't get rid of estrogen, it just block the receptors in your breasts so you don't get gyno. You definitely need ~some~ estrogen otherwise you'll be a hurting unit.

My rat is doing a low dose of Nolva for PCT, but I understand his reasoning behind not wanting to use a research chemical designed for breast cancer treatment.

Personally, I would have it on hand, whether he decides to use it is up to him and how he feels and what blood tests reveal.


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CROWLER said:
The Sinner formulated a supplement especially to be used with Epistane for Post cycle therapy.

It is POST Cycle Support. You can find more info including feedback here:

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CROWLER
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You beat me to it. This was the next product I was going to mention due to the Reservatol having SERM-like abilities.

I would love to try this out, but I don't think my rat is doing any more Epi, as it thinned out his hair more than he liked...

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Ok my next question would be if Post Cycle Support has any negative side effects though i doubt it, im just asking. Also what about cortisol control and natural test boost? I was thinking of this but it might be overkill.

Post Cycle Suppot
6-OXO - 6/6/4/2
Retain - 4/3/3/2
 
You can always try 6-OXO extreme. It also containg reservatol. Only problem is you'll have to buy 3 bottles to last you through 4 weeks of PCT.
 
Eagleman003 said:
Ok my next question would be if Post Cycle Support has any negative side effects though i doubt it, im just asking. Also what about cortisol control and natural test boost? I was thinking of this but it might be overkill.

Post Cycle Suppot
6-OXO - 6/6/4/2
Retain - 4/3/3/2
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POST Cycle Support helps withe the natural test boost. 1 bottle lasts 4 weeks of Post Cycle Therapy.



CROWLER
 
so far my options in my head are.

6-oxo and cortisol blocker

Novedex XT and cortisol blocker

Redbound XT and Cortisol blocker

POST Cycle Support and Cortisol blocker

btw, can someone name a good cortisol blocker that wont surpress my appetite? retain? reduce xt?
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Another thing on my mind is how much novedex XT and all the ATD products are going to hurt my libido? MY main concern is mostly my libido and i feel its almost counterproductive to use an ATD in my PCT for this reason. (yea you cna say im paranoid lol) Do you guys relaly think that 6-oxo at a higher dosage like 600/600/500/200/200 and a cortisol blocker would be ok? I know that when i take 6-oxo my libido sky rockets or do you think im better with novedex xt and a cotrisol?
 
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Week 1: 6-OXO @ 600mg and Novedex XT @ 2 Cap and Retain2 @ 3 Cap
Week 2: 6-OXO @ 600mg and Novedex XT @ 1 Cap and Retain2 @ 2 Cap
Week 3: 6-OXO @ 400mg and Novedex XT @ 1 Cap and Retain2 @ 1 Cap
Week 4: 6-OXO @ 200mg

This will cost me a good 80-90 dollars.

This is basically a PCT with half the dosage of Novedex XT and Retain2 cause me and my friend will split both bottles. What do you guys think? I will also take some extra tribulus I have along with SizeOn to increase workout intensity plus all the basicis such as multi and fishoil.
 
Eagleman003 said:
Week 1: 6-OXO @ 600mg and Novedex XT @ 2 Cap and Retain2 @ 3 Cap
Week 2: 6-OXO @ 600mg and Novedex XT @ 1 Cap and Retain2 @ 2 Cap
Week 3: 6-OXO @ 400mg and Novedex XT @ 1 Cap and Retain2 @ 1 Cap
Week 4: 6-OXO @ 200mg
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to me it seems redundant to use 6oxo AND novedex as both are aromatase inhibitors. If I were you I would take the 30 bucks for novedex and buy a bottle of post cycle support instead.
 
Eagleman003 said:
Week 1: 6-OXO @ 600mg and Novedex XT @ 2 Cap and Retain2 @ 3 Cap
Week 2: 6-OXO @ 600mg and Novedex XT @ 1 Cap and Retain2 @ 2 Cap
Week 3: 6-OXO @ 400mg and Novedex XT @ 1 Cap and Retain2 @ 1 Cap
Week 4: 6-OXO @ 200mg

This will cost me a good 80-90 dollars.

This is basically a post cycle therapy with half the dosage of Novedex XT and Retain2 cause me and my friend will split both bottles. What do you guys think? I will also take some extra tribulus I have along with SizeOn to increase workout intensity plus all the basicis such as multi and fishoil.
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As I and 4 others in this thread have said, you should use POST Cycle Support.


CROWLER
 
Week 1: 6-OXO @ 600mg and PCS @ 5 Cap and Retain2 @ 3 Cap
Week 2: 6-OXO @ 600mg and PCS @ 4 Cap and Retain2 @ 2 Cap
Week 3: 6-OXO @ 400mg and PCS @ 4 Cap and Retain2 @ 1 Cap
Week 4: 6-OXO @ 200mg and PCS @ 3 Cap

Does everyone agree? And this will be great on my libido, control estrogen and get my test and nuts back up and running asap?
 
Eagleman003 said:
Week 1: 6-OXO @ 600mg and PCS @ 5 Cap and Retain2 @ 3 Cap
Week 2: 6-OXO @ 600mg and PCS @ 4 Cap and Retain2 @ 2 Cap
Week 3: 6-OXO @ 400mg and PCS @ 4 Cap and Retain2 @ 1 Cap
Week 4: 6-OXO @ 200mg and PCS @ 3 Cap

Does everyone agree? And this will be great on my libido, control estrogen and get my test and nuts back up and running asap?
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Risingagent said to use an ATD with trans resveratol and 6-OXO xtreme.
 
Week 1: Novedex XT @ 3 Caps /// PCS @ 5 /// Retain2 @ 3
Week 2: Novedex XT @ 2 Caps /// PCS @ 4 /// Retain2 @ 3
Week 3: Novedex XT @ 2 Caps /// PCS @ 4 /// Retain2 @ 1
Week 4: Novedex XT @ 1 Caps /// PCS @ 3 ///

How's this guys? Do you think my libido will increase though post cycle? Also I am taking half a bottle of Retain2 to control cortisol, do you think its bad that im not taking the full 3 caps for 4 weeks as opposed to only 2 weeks?
 
DerekAdams1 said:
Risingagent said to use an ATD with trans resveratol and 6-OXO xtreme.
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Trans resveratol is in 6-OXO extreme. I don't see a need to add more. Also, ATD along with 6-OXO is going to severely dry your joints out and crush your estrogen. Not a good idea IMO.

My suggestion is to run Post Cycle Support or 6-OXO along with a cortisol blocker.
 
I hate how there are so many different trains of thought. This is where im coming from

Novdex XT - the ATD will not help my libido but I will recover well from the cycle

Post Cycle Support- not really that popular, and I don't see how its gonna increase my test 400% like novedex xt

6-oxo - used before and it worked. Libido will certainly go up with this however it might not be sufficient in keeping my gains.
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6-oxo @ 600mg and PCS @ 5 caps and Retain2 @ 3 caps
6-oxo @ 300mg and PCS @ 4 caps and Retain2 @ 3 caps
6-oxo @ 200mg and PCS @ 4 caps and Retain2 @ 1 caps
6-oxo @ 200mg and PCS @ 3 caps

I have used 6-oxo in the past with great results in the libido department as well as getting acne on the back which is a godo sign of increased test. Post Cycle Support by Annabolic Innovations has Trans-Restervol in it which has SERM like properties and should be a great addition to my cycle. I also included Retain2 at half a bottle dosage (spliting with a friend). I am staying away from ATD like Novedex XT because my biggest concern is keeping libido and I don't need one of my PCT supplements killing libido post cycle. Post Cycle Support also contains horny goat weed which should help me out a lot. After all I am only running an Epistane Cycle at 30/30/40/40 and it was anti-estrogen properties should I shouldn't need an ATD to eradicate all the estrogen in my body or a serious SERM that is intended to prevent gyno.
 
6-oxo @ 600mg and PCS @ 5 caps and Retain2 @ 3 caps
6-oxo @ 300mg and PCS @ 4 caps and Retain2 @ 3 caps
6-oxo @ 200mg and PCS @ 4 caps and Retain2 @ 1 caps
6-oxo @ 200mg and PCS @ 3 caps

Can anyone comment on this? I think it is pretty sound and controls PCT from a bunch of important angles.
 
Eagleman003 said:
6-oxo @ 600mg and PCS @ 5 caps and Retain2 @ 3 caps
6-oxo @ 300mg and PCS @ 4 caps and Retain2 @ 3 caps
6-oxo @ 200mg and PCS @ 4 caps and Retain2 @ 1 caps
6-oxo @ 200mg and PCS @ 3 caps

Can anyone comment on this? I think it is pretty sound and controls post cycle therapy from a bunch of important angles.
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That's basically what i would do if I were going to use epistane (which I have not yet, but have considered).
The only thing I would do differently is I would start with a lower dose of 6-oxo, then build up and taper off at the end.
The reasoning is that 6oxo is an aromatase inhibitor, so it's only going to really increase your testosterone levels if you already HAVE some natural testosterone in your system for it to prevent the aromatization of. So I would use a very low dose of 6 oxo to start with and increase it after the first week after the PCS had a chance to increase my natural test production.

Please don't read this as advice, as I am not a doctor nor a scientist and I have not actually tried this method. It's just something i came up with based on what i have read.
 
just a general note, Epi's SERM-like abilities seem to occur at slight dosages around 10/20mg. anything higher will probably cause suppression, be it mild or not. you're best running a SERM after a heavier 4 weeker of Epi, but i'm not sure if it's completely necessary with this compound. try Dermacrine Sustain. otherwise i'd say what you have is on the right track.
 
Hey bro, seriously listen to CROWLER. All you need is POST Cycle Support and for an anti-cort, 7-Cort by Dermabolics would be an excellent choice. It's only $35 and on top of being a great cort-blocker, it'll aid in fat loss too:head:
 
Anyone know how this cycle worked out?

I realize its almost a year old.........
 
I am the OP and Epistane did **** for me! I gained maybe 10lbs on my bench and all other lifts and gained around 4 pounds. However in PCT I recovered 100% (libido actually went up higher then before) and I made more gains in my PCT. I am guessing I got one of the bogus batches of Epsitane cause I ordered around the time there was the controversy. The OTC Pct worked EXCELLENT. I highly recommend it for a mild cycle but always have a SERM on hand in case you need it!
 
Eagleman003 said:
I am the OP and Epistane did **** for me! I gained maybe 10lbs on my bench and all other lifts and gained around 4 pounds. However in PCT I recovered 100% (libido actually went up higher then before) and I made more gains in my PCT. I am guessing I got one of the bogus batches of Epsitane cause I ordered around the time there was the controversy. The OTC Pct worked EXCELLENT. I highly recommend it for a mild cycle but always have a SERM on hand in case you need it!
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You did not eat and/or train properly. There was NO bunk batch of IBE Epistane.
 
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