The Twitchs new begining.

He does this with DMT (Phera-Plex). What he does is very carefully pyramids to the point where he is cutting the tablets in half. Then he PCTs with an ATD. His cycles are 5 weeks long with a 4 week post cycle therapy w/ ATD.

I'm not suggesting that you do this, I'm just saying what he does. Up until now it has worked so far. In fact he is stretching this cycle to 6 weeks. Then again he only does 1 cycle a year. He has a tendency to be very 'liberal' with this kind of thing.
 
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ReaperX said:
He does this with DMT (Phera-Plex). What he does is very carefully pyramids to the point where he is cutting the tablets in half. Then he PCTs with an ATD. His cycles are 5 weeks long with a 4 week post cycle therapy w/ ATD.

I'm not suggesting that you do this, I'm just saying what he does. Up until now it has worked so far. In fact he is stretching this cycle to 6 weeks. Then again he only does 1 cycle a year. He has a tendency to be very 'liberal' with this kind of thing.
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Sadly i have to take off today. Pretty P.Oed casue i love back day. I had a stuffy nose yesterday, dry throat. Today its pretty bad still. Stuffed nasal, pressure under my eyes, jaw hurts. I am goin to grab some stuff from walgreens i saw in the nutrition thread.
I usually dont get sick and it happend at the begining of this cycle at day 3 or 4 i think, went away now back. I am guessin the compound broke my immune system a bit.
Tomorrow i dont work till 2 so i WILL be in the gym before then. I think i needed an extra day off anyway, this could be slight overtraingin induced also.
 
Ok im a little P.O. still but not really.
I am not goin to the gym today. I had a girl over last night so i was up till 3....
I feel a bit better today before even takin any cold stuff.
Tomorrow i am screwed casue my ghey gym closes at 5 and i work till 4 (gym) :nutkick: (me) Im prolly goin to run tomorrow before i go to a friends for UFC.
I hate takin 3 days off, i hate 2. I have football T-day morn. So im goin to try and squeeze some stuff in before then. Wed im takin off for sure.
Im at 30mgs now.
Lost 1lb so im up 4 this whole cycle.
I am not disappointed as strength has gone up but wish i woud hav got some more size.
My Hdrol as isaid before will be stacked with a very positive feedback non-Methyl as the supp store i found it at said they would ship.
I feel like my cycle is falling appart a bit but ill hang with it and just prepare myself for PCT and then Clen.
 
MentalTwitch said:
Ok im a little P.O. still but not really.
I am not goin to the gym today. I had a girl over last night so i was up till 3....
I feel a bit better today before even takin any cold stuff.
Tomorrow i am screwed casue my ghey gym closes at 5 and i work till 4 (gym) :nutkick: (me) Im prolly goin to run tomorrow before i go to a friends for UFC.
I hate takin 3 days off, i hate 2. I have football T-day morn. So im goin to try and squeeze some stuff in before then. Wed im takin off for sure.
Im at 30mgs now.
Lost 1lb so im up 4 this whole cycle.
I am not disappointed as strength has gone up but wish i woud hav got some more size.
My Hdrol as isaid before will be stacked with a very positive feedback non-Methyl as the supp store i found it at said they would ship.
I feel like my cycle is falling appart a bit but ill hang with it and just prepare myself for post cycle therapy and then Clen.
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Thats actually why I pulse Mental. You can stop if you need to and you havent lost anything. My life is hectic and I never know whats coming up.

Also keep that fish oil up! ;)
 
MashedPotato said:
Thats actually why I pulse Mental. You can stop if you need to and you havent lost anything. My life is hectic and I never know whats coming up.

Also keep that fish oil up! ;)
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Thanks broski i will for sure after hearing about you.
I am a all or nothing kind of person so that where it gets me. I was thinkign pulse for awhile and then i realized i have the knowledge and right supps to handle it. I still think the PH is part of the source of my sickness. I think it may have weakend my immune system and functions in general. Ill continue my PH journey one step at a time.
 
MentalTwitch said:
Thanks broski i will for sure after hearing about you.
I am a all or nothing kind of person so that where it gets me. I was thinkign pulse for awhile and then i realized i have the knowledge and right supps to handle it. I still think the PH is part of the source of my sickness. I think it may have weakend my immune system and functions in general. Ill continue my PH journey one step at a time.
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Seeing as its your first cycle, the pulse should work well for you. The pulse method is so much more flexable, and less harsh on the body.
For example:

Monday - superdrol + fish oil
Tuesday - Cycle Support +fish oil+Zinc+vitamin C (immune)+ Hx2
Wednesday - superdrol+ Fish Oil
Thursday - Cycle Support +fish oil+Zinc+vitamin C (immune)+ Hx2
Friday - SD + Fish oil
Saturday - Cycle Support +fish oil+Zinc+vitamin C (immune)+ Hx2
Sunday - Cycle Support +fish oil

Also by "pulsing" the separate larger doses of Zinc and Vitamin C (but do take you multi every day) you get the added benefit of increased immunity & your body never becomes accustomed to the larger doses so they maintain their effectiveness. I'm particularly prone to colds, but with this method, i haven't had a cold since last September.

Pusling also allows you to get "sick" and take a day or two off.

I suggest also taking AirBorne on your workout days. It helps prevent colds. Works a charm. Dont take it every day though - as its effects will diminish. Wish NP would add it to their inventory, it really is a great cold preventing tool.
 
Thanks man. Ill prolly not pulse for awhile casue like i said my next PH cycle is goin to be a non-methyl AH-89 then into Hdrol. Should be sic. I think part of my cold is being in chicago and the weather has been all messed up.
Today i feel much better...sadly i work tomorrow. sunday night also but I WILL be there before work i get POed when i miss 2 or more days...
Things happen, i learned. See how it goes from here.

EDIT- work at 7 i shouldn't be up at 12:15, but i am. I am gettin a back pump lower to mid back region. 2nd day at 30mg. See hwo the week plays out. I am def feeling more full still, solid. And i ate like a mofo today clean so i should get a 1-2lbs back.
2 bananas
1 orange
2 apples
12" Subway Chicken Teryaki
Cliff Energy bar, PB crunch...SO FUKCIN GOOD!
9 cups skim milk
PB & J on WW bread
1 brownie - 1"x2"x1/2"
I dont feel like i ate to much but not enough of what i need. I worked at 2 and woke up at 10 so i did what i could.

EDIT x2- haha i forgot to mention, one of my favorite drinks now is 2 scoops Powder Gatorade, CitMalate, Taurine. Sometimes i throw in Poseidon and FocusXT one or the other. I did the FocusXT today and 2 days ago...wow work def felt better i wasnt all droopy and slugish. I felt awake and attentative.
 
Hmm dude you should be gaining like a elephant. Try increasing your cals a little see if that helps, especially on 30mg. SD is a glycogen hungry beast.
 
Ok so ive been dosing 10mgs at 7am 8-9am another 10mg then at night 10 for ease of gettin in support supps...also i have been since yesterday afternoon, been taking 2g Omega 3, i feel fuller still. Not sure what it is but my arms, shoulders,upper back, calfs, forearms general size. I will have to weigh myself tomorrow and see if its any different. Vacularity is still up and slightly more-so. Maybe i need a higher dose? Mashed does well at low doses, everyones different. I am hittin the gym hard tomorrow-wed but wed will be cardio only cause i dont want to be sore for football, supposed to have 30 or so people....:twisted:
 
jomi822 said:
you what you need mental twitch?

some milk. 2 gallons a day. that should do it.
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haha what? I drink alot of milk already i cant bear anymore. I dont wantt o be shytin my brains out. I drink milk alot. I used to drink 2% a year or so back, then switched to skim.
Glad youre in here Jomi, youre so swell. haha
 
Tonight i start PCT after a 3 1/2 week cycle of MDrol at 10/20/30
Good-
Little strength increase
up 5lbs
ab area seemed to of lost some fat.
legs a bit more defined
Chest more full
vascularity up a bit.

Bad-
had chest cramps or something first 1 or so.
Had 2 minor colds witch def hindered results
The MDrol may not be all that great(See "CEL continued" in Nutraplanet section)
Even if it was placebo effect, im not complaining.

Today.
New Rep to weight on Good AMs. Pulldowns same weight but more reps

Tonight i will begin PCT with one dose of everything and 120 of Torem.

I dont think i will be logging my PCT unless there is alot of interest for someone....?
I will log my next cycle in more detail. It will be Clen or Non-methyl bridged to HDrol, only time will tell.

Thanks to the selct few who popped.
 
Thanks guys.

Yea reaper, I havent read one bad review on it yet. A few guys bridged into SD clone and other Halo clones. I really hope Hdrol goes a bit better for me. I am thinkin it going to be a sic stack but pricey. :nutkick: like i said before its $72 a bottle and i have to have it shipped from oregon.
 
MentalTwitch said:
Thanks guys.

Yea reaper, I havent read one bad review on it yet. A few guys bridged into superdrol clone and other Halo clones. I really hope Hdrol goes a bit better for me. I am thinkin it going to be a sic stack but pricey. :nutkick: like i said before its $72 a bottle and i have to have it shipped from oregon.
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Well, since you have this you can stack:

-AH-89
-Furzadrol by Axis Labs
-H-Drol by CEL

So there you have 3 dry compounds without water gains, and only taking 1 methyl.

My only concern is that the whole 'ether' aspect was tried back several years ago with Molecular Nutrition.


1-AD by ErgoPharm and 1-T Ether gels were both non-methyl versions of 1-testosterone in an effort to avoid the liver toxicity. I think actually before the ether oil, they were blending it with some type of vegetable oil so they were only squeezing about 25mg of 1-test. There was a stuggle to keep the bioavailability high with oil blends.


I don't know offhand, but looking at the product AH-89 you might need to take a slightly more 'generous' dose due to the ether bioavailability vs. methylation.

Same goes for Furzadrol, since it is not methylated there is a slight need to increase dose in order to get the same methyl response.


I'm almost tempted to try AH-89 for shlts n' giggles.
 
MentalTwitch said:
yea ill be gettin 2 bottles the i have to go look back and see how people where dosing it.
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Wow, it looks good. Might get some for a cutting stack, then again probably not. lol

Still it looks good. I have too many products as it is, and i dont use 9/10 of them....<sigh>......

Wish I had 2 bodies, then I could use as many supps as I like. Try one stack for me, and a different set of stacks for the other me. Then whichever comes out best, ill use that body as the real me....

My god what am I talking about!:toofunny:
 
MentalTwitch said:
You feelin alright MP...?
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lol, i think i took too much phenibut :p. Just got my order in from AM today...

Anyways, crazyness aside Mental, your results are pretty "ehh" (not dissing you in any way here man!), especially for your first cycle. I know, that you knew how much to eat, you trained hard and yes you had a cold, but a net gain of 5Lbs on super D, with a "little strength gain".... hmmmm.

Regarding the other thread (CEL thread you are subscribed to) , it makes me wonder what exactly is in that. Your results seem on par with Gixxer (although he is more of a vetran user - im guessing) who had really no results.

Not sure if everyone agrees with me here, but for his first cycle and a net gain of only 4/5 LBS on Super D.... and the fact Mental knows what hes doing.... isnt something wrong here?

(I can also note that I did not feel anything from my M-Drol, when i subsituted it from the old skool AX I have. I was using the old skool AX superdrol, getting amazing results, and the M-Drol - nada. nil. And I respond like a house on fire to any anabolic compound. I dont want to jump to conclusions here, just curious what everyone else thinks?)
 
No hard feelings. i see what you mean, thats why i wont out rihgt say it is "bunk" but i will see how my next cycle goes of Hdrol then in the future another SD clone like DX3 or MethylVol.
All i can say is i ate ok plenty, cleaned it up 1 week in to a very good cal area and quality. Slept. Trained, until the cold came in.
Im a patient person so im not to flustered by the results. cycle by cycle is all i can do and se how they differ.

I also decided already itll be Clen first as i want to have ample time off from PH use and dont have bunches of cash right now.
Off to work.
 
I didn't take in account this being your first cycle - DAMN, you should have gained like a MOFO! I'm not getting on you, I feel the product choice was not effective. Man, I will never buy from that company again.
 
matthew76 said:
I didn't take in account this being your first cycle - DAMN, you should have gained like a MOFO! I'm not getting on you, I feel the product choice was not effective. Man, I will never buy from that company again.
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That was exactly the point i was trying to make. This was his FIRST cycle, I remember I gained like 18lbs on my first 2 week superdrol cycle.

Gixxer had the same results, my dosages had no effect, when i previously having awesome effects on the old skool superdrol I have, and Mental gained 5lbs.

5lbs would be good for DHEA.

I know gixxer knows what hes doing, and I know mental does, and Im pretty sure I do :p, so not to blame anything, but looking at a common factor between us = m-drol.
 
Although Banana's make you feel gaseous... I'll concur with you. LOL!

I gained 21 ON cycle my first, 17lbs after PCT. The common factor between you guys' are the same - but if you look on other boards, it's spreading like a wild fire! I've had it with companies stealing from me... I'm going to stick with the companies that I know are up-front. And only do original PH's from the respected manufacture.
 
Still tho, explain this to me. If you ate 1500 calories a day over maintenance, you gained nothing still? even superdrol doesn't put muscle on without calories. If you gained all fat and got no muscle, then I could see it but if you got 0 gains, then I'm thinking you had not enough calories
 
EasyEJL said:
Still tho, explain this to me. If you ate 1500 calories a day over maintenance, you gained nothing still? even superdrol doesn't put muscle on without calories. If you gained all fat and got no muscle, then I could see it but if you got 0 gains, then I'm thinking you had not enough calories
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By 0 gains i meant net muscle gain. IT was a pulse cycle and with the superdrol and the extra calories I gained incredibly. Without the SD, and the extra calories I gained +/- 1-0.5 lbs of fat around my hips/lovehandles over the week period and little/no pumps.

Normally I can eat about 750-1000 calories over my usual maintenance and not gain any fat for about a week or two.

So to sum it up I eat about 3500-4500 calories if not more on SD pulsing per day. Take away the superdrol and the 3500-4500 does very little except add a few ounces on of fat.


But if you were aiming that question at Mental, then I just gave you some interesting yet pointless information:p
 
crader said:
What do you mean your not going to log the clen?? What will I read over here?
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Ok...just for you. :afro:

If the Q. was directed toward me, well. I was NOT 1500 over regularly. Somedays i was only at 3,000. I dont need many cals before my body starts to store them. I can eat maybe 3 times a day for a good base of energy. If i eat to far over it just makes me feel tires no matter how clean. Heres an idea, and im not sure exactly how much this adds up to but this is a full full day of food for me....
3 PB & Js
8-10 cups skim milk
1gallon water
1 cup fruit
1 cup veggies
1 cup oats
6 oz chicken

Now that is off the top of my head. NExt cycle i will log my diet specific to what i eat.

I am a carb guy, i love them and have no problem eating them all day. Protein is easy for me to get more of i dont focus on it. Between ground beef, chicken and a shake i usually get my protein for the day no problem.

I will tweak for Clen and prolly go at maintenince or below. I will for sure focus more on protein and i understand Clen help protein synthesis(in lab subjects) Carbs will end at 8-9. Also more focus on veggies.
I have a bit moreresearch to do on it though.

Right now its lookin like 2 on 2 off for 4weeks and mayhbe extend it, see how i react and where i end up weight wise.
 
MentalTwitch said:
Ok...just for you. :afro:

If the Q. was directed toward me, well. I was NOT 1500 over regularly. Somedays i was only at 3,000. I dont need many cals before my body starts to store them. I can eat maybe 3 times a day for a good base of energy. If i eat to far over it just makes me feel tires no matter how clean. Heres an idea, and im not sure exactly how much this adds up to but this is a full full day of food for me....
3 PB & Js
8-10 cups skim milk
1gallon water
1 cup fruit
1 cup veggies
1 cup oats
6 oz chicken

Now that is off the top of my head. NExt cycle i will log my diet specific to what i eat.

I am a carb guy, i love them and have no problem eating them all day. Protein is easy for me to get more of i dont focus on it. Between ground beef, chicken and a shake i usually get my protein for the day no problem.

I will tweak for Clen and prolly go at maintenince or below. I will for sure focus more on protein and i understand Clen help protein synthesis(in lab subjects) Carbs will end at 8-9. Also more focus on veggies.
I have a bit moreresearch to do on it though.

Right now its lookin like 2 on 2 off for 4weeks and mayhbe extend it, see how i react and where i end up weight wise.
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Wow, I just found out that you can get turkey hot dogs with no saturated fat or cholesterol!
Fry some onions in olive oil (rather than vegetable oil) and I gots me a healthy hot dawg!


The cat Avatar suits you well Mental lol.
 
matthew76 said:
It's almost like the cat is speaking what I read in his post... weird!

:thumbsup:
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ha
oh man, im gettin eager, i need my freakin paycheck so i can get some Clen...
I am not likin how this Hdrol situation may turn out. I may run it solo and see how it goes. Why buy 2 $72 non-methyl to run prior and have that be it you know.
 
matthew76 said:
I'm selling my bunk crap to some Newb at another board... I'm not taking the chance!
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yea...your price is great..haha NOT! I dont know what to do. I have a feeling my PCT is goint o go greeat though. I mean look at it. Its amazing, the top dogs of supps as far as im concerned. I may add in some creatine Gluconate.
 
ReaperX said:
are you going to skip out on the ether based winni-v ?
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The AH-89. yes. They stock it regularly, its expensive and i want to see how Hdrol even goes. Im not to concerned about CEL cycles right now. Im more focused on Clen then gettin another SD clone. I want to wait to see how CEL responds to all this feedback of 4-5 people running Mdrol cycles and not gettin anything or very little out of them.

On a side note, i will only be running Torem at 60/30 for only 2 weeks. Its strong, long half life. If i only took DHEA or something not what it was supposed to be running a SERM to long will do more bad thatn good.
Also, in school today, i got to random...errrr...."hellos" from my buddy downstairs. so i am thinking that the DThardcore is doin its thing.
 
MentalTwitch said:
i got to random...errrr...."hellos" from my buddy downstairs. so i am thinking that the DThardcore is doin its thing.
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(mental enjoying his hardcore sausage)

Good to see someone else is impressed with their sausage.


On a side note, i got my Aspire 36 today:box: and Paravol.

gonna do a log on it later today. :D

Anyways mental where are you getting this dx3 or ah-39?

Just Drop me a PM bro.

Also, im cleaning out the cupboard this weekend so ill get back to you on that other matter.
 
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